Interestingly, John Cena's comments about most of WWE's fans being 9 year olds were removed from the repeat of RAW.
http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10025937.shtml
Interestingly, John Cena's comments about most of WWE's fans being 9 year olds were removed from the repeat of RAW.
http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/WWE/article10025937.shtml
Or just remove Cena altogether.
ReplyDeleteI asked my wrestling-mad eight year old nephew what he thought of John Cena. His response was an animated, "I hate that fake-ass n---a!". Don't fret as the kid's black so it's okay for him to use that word. 8 )
ReplyDeleteHe LOVES Sheamus for some inexplicable reason, though.
They're PG rated & for kids, but advertise Charlie Sheen live tweeting Raw. Nothing PG about ol' Charlie
ReplyDeleteMy 9 year old wants Cena to turn heel. I've caught him looking up "Cena Heel Themes" on youtube.
ReplyDeleteOne thing you can say - John Cena knows his role (now if only he'd shut his mouth)
ReplyDeleteAnd again, it proves that not only do the writers NOT know who their audience is, but apparently the top star doesn't either.
ReplyDeleteMaybe cena meant to say he was marketed to 9 year old kids
ReplyDeleteCan we get this guy's nephew on commentary? That's better than anything Cole's come up with in years.
ReplyDeletemy whole life i rooted for heels and the bad guys in the movies like jimmy "the gent" conway....
ReplyDeleteI'd be fine if they kept Cena the way he is but portrayed him as a heel. The problem for me is that the book him as the popular good guy who has to get the best of the heel in the end when there's nobody I want to see lose and look stupid more than him.
ReplyDeleteIndeed. Even Hogan looked like a chump sometimes via sneak-attacks and every friend he ever had turning on him at some point.
ReplyDeleteAlso, dare I say, Hulk in the 80s was just a lot more likeable than Cena during his time on top.
I kind of like cena as the Meta troll heel. Its kind of clever even if vince might not get it. I just wish cena was the wwe champ this whole time because it would have helped get his feuds over and at least make being champion the thrust of the promotion.
ReplyDeleteHogan in the 80's was WAAAAAAY more likeable than Cena
ReplyDeleteWell yeah, grown adults hate being told what they're watching is meant for children.
ReplyDeleteIt probably makes them feel rather silly.
How much of that has to do with age though ya think?
ReplyDeleteI liked Hogan more than Cena too.
But I was also 8 years old.
It probably has a lot to do with age. But at least Hulk Hogan never tried to be a comedian.
ReplyDeleteA comedian, true (I think I'm sure there are probably some horrible clips one could find if they looked hard enough)
ReplyDeleteBut Hogan was a giant douche in his own way. He consistently said terrible things like "Say your prayers and eat your vitamins!" all the while being a roid-head and winning matches with chair shots, lol.
Faces in general are typically annoying douchebags I've found.
You shut your filthy, goddamn mouth about Dragonball, sir!
ReplyDeleteThat's what Vince should do. Just broadcast episode after episode after episode after episode of people staring at each other and shaking...
ReplyDeleteEdge of your seat shit, lol.
Eight year-olds, dude.
ReplyDeleteHow much of the merch money comes from 9-year-olds though?
ReplyDeleteOh Hogan was such a douche! I just meant he's a more palatable douche than Cena.
ReplyDeleteBret Hart, Sting, Stone Cold, Mick Foley, Randy Savage, & Tommy Dreamer were all likeable--at times inspiring--top level faces who were not annoying douchebags.
My bosses kid is 9 and at WM time he was all about The Rock. Not a huge Cena fan.
ReplyDeleteProbably a fair bit.
ReplyDeleteDad and Son go to the matches, it's not usually Dad that picks which shirt to buy.
Y'know, I understand- and even agree with- the logic behind the "Cena should be champ" camp. But CM Punk being champion means CM Punk is champion, so even though it makes sense for Cena to be champ, I'm glad he's not.
ReplyDeletePunk might not be where the champion should be on the card, but he's more prominently featured than he would be without it.
If Cena isn't going to have the belt then he should be in a "special attraction" role, not as part of the main storyline. If the Raw ladder match goes on last instead of Punk/Bryan next month, I quit.
Has anyone considered that Cena may have been taking a subtle shot at his detractors that see him marketed toward kids (not that they're wrong about that)?
ReplyDeleteHe drops insider-ish stuff like that all the fucking time.
I wouldn't say that it's okay for any 8 year old to drop N-bombs...
ReplyDeleteYeah...I wouldn't put Tommy Dreamer in that list with the other names there.
ReplyDeleteNot because your point is wrong...but more because he just doesn't belong.
Oh, I agree. He got a pretty severe admonishment from his mom after that.
ReplyDeleteIt was an eventful family picnic.
RAW wishes it could be as cool as Dragonball, Mr. Chin.
ReplyDeleteIf that is your real name.
Curious. Then did he tell you he was coming for Hulk Hogan?
ReplyDeleteNo. Although he does look like a young Booker T now that I think about it...
ReplyDeleteThat's the perfect way to revitalize Cena - give him Darren Young's Saiyan hair.
ReplyDeleteI would be the worst person to be around if my nephew flew off and just started over-the-top cussing like that, because I'd be laughing hysterically while my sister tried to yell at him.
ReplyDeleteHogan was such a hypocrite though (kayfabe and otherwise). He cheated all the time and was perfectly okay with screwing others over. Hell, the *only* difference between Hulk Hogan and Holywood Hogan is crowd pander. The offense (including closed-fists, backrakes, chokes, and hairpulls) was exactly the same.
ReplyDeleteI think the only reason Hogan was more likable than Cena is A) our age and B) the amount of TV time.
Grown adults also hate when people say grossly ignorant things, like "most of our fanbase is 9 year olds", when, ya know, it isn't.
ReplyDeleteNot as much as you'd think. Consider this: At a given event, you'll probably have 25 shirts in adult sizes and 4 or 5 in kids sizes.
ReplyDeleteThey are kid friendly. That is not the same thing as "for kids" IMO.
ReplyDeleteThey have been portraying Cena like a heel since after the Lesner feud. His steel cage match with the Big Show was a textbook example of a leader of a heel stable using his stablemates as outside the cage backup against his face opponent, winning as a result of that backup.
ReplyDeleteHas Cena ever had someone turn on him? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head except maybe Jericho in 2005, but Jericho was clearly hostile towards Cena from the start...but I can't recall a friend turning on him. Maybe they're afraid he won't look like the coolest kid in school if his friends ditch him.
ReplyDeleteI think part of the reason people, (myself included) cheered for Hogan was BECAUSE he cheated. He wasn't afraid to stoop to the heels level to get the job done, (example...Hogan vs Honky Tonk Man on SNME. For years we all wanted to see Honky get hit with his own guitar. Hogan was the one to do it and it was awsome to see Honky get his)
ReplyDeleteNone as nine year olds typically don't have a ton of money. Their parents on the other hand...
ReplyDeleteHave you ever seen some of the adult Cena fans? I am guessing XXXL adult sizes.
ReplyDeleteJimmy Conway is fine but if you root for Tommy then your really badass, (then again who DIDN'T want to see Billy Bats get his ass kicked after the "now go get your f***in shinebox" line?)
ReplyDeleteI was not aware you COULD see them.
ReplyDeleteAnd that insider stuff is far from subtle.
ReplyDeleteThis is the guy who after his Punk feud broke the fourth wall way too many times, from mentioning "work rate" and "Five Moves of Doom" to basically trashing Del Rio's entire gimmick.
Remember the fan in shock at ringside after Cena lost to Johnny? Nuff said.
ReplyDeleteHey, a whole post where you managed to not insult my kids. You're really starting to mature!
ReplyDeleteIBID.
ReplyDeletemuthaFUCKER!!!
ReplyDelete0...
ReplyDelete9 years olds dont have jobs!
thank you.
ReplyDeleteif u count it, hbk before wm 23
ReplyDeleteFuck DBZ.
ReplyDeleteAt least on toonami.
I couldnt watch Goku prepare for the spirit bomb for 15 episodes in a row while planet namek has a minute left to blow up and Frieza has one more form to change into.
"NEXT TIME ON DRAGONBALL Z.."
Hey, a whole post where you managed to not insult me! Oh wait, no it wasn't. Still acting like a giant douche, I see.
ReplyDeleteWhat's funny is that Two and a Half Men is really heavily syndicated so, likely, families sit around all over the country and have dinner with Charlie banging hookers off in the distance. God knows I'd have been watching it all that time.
ReplyDeleteWould you not quit if, say, they had a promo where Bryan bribes whoever the acting GM is to put the title match on first, so if he wins the strap he can leave the arena right away so he can't be cashed in on? Someone came up with that on here, it'd be an interesting way to go about it.
ReplyDeleteI'm kicking around the idea of doing an article comparing the current state of pro skateboarding & X Games to WWE. If you get frustrated at watching something that seems like it's aimed at kids, imagine watching a sport where most of the top athletes are competing against 11 year olds.
ReplyDeleteAaaaand right back to grade school we go!
ReplyDeleteRight back to grade school? Believe me, you kept us there with, "You are just like a 6 year old!" Oh wait, that wasn't an insult, right? Because you did say you don't resort to personal insults. But hey, you've lied in the past, why not lie again now?
ReplyDeleteSaying you're acting like a six year old isn't a personal insult, it's just a statement of fact.
ReplyDeleteI talk down to you because I am above you.
Then by the same logic, saying your kid is ugly is not calling him names, it's just a statement of fact.
ReplyDeleteWhy would I use my BEST comeback to a point on you? You've shown in the past that you simply ignore comments, change subjects, attack people on a personal level and claim superiority over them. I gave you a taste of your own medicine and you clearly can't get over it. Trust me, if I thought there was any chance of you participating in a legitimate debate, I would give you a better response, but as it is, I know your kid: You come on the internet to tell everyone how right you are, and when anyone disagrees, you claim they are: brainwashed, stupid, trolls or something else of the like. I responded in similar fashion.
You're still going on this? Shouldn't you be somewhere not understanding how television ratings work?
ReplyDeleteI don't think Raw or pro wrestling itself can be considered a kids show. What kids show ends at 11:15 on a school night? What kids show has the main character tell his rival "I'm like a pinwheel so go ahead and blow me"?
ReplyDeleteJust the other day somebody a screengrab of the WWE's corporate page where they acknowledge that the vast majority of their audience is over the age of 18.
Cena's trying to embarass his adult detractors (aka smarks) by using the Chin method of calling it a children's show so they feel stupid for criticizing it.
They want to appeal to *everyone*, young and old. You can argue the effectiveness, but let's not act like this is... I don't know Power Rangers or something (I don't have kids so I'm not up on the current hit kids shows).
Instead of taking the Pixar route of making the entire thing accessible to all ages (which I think is really tough in a live action show broadcast that has 1 take), they seem to chop it up where some storylines are for kids (Cena) and some are for older fans (Punk/Jericho/HHH).
I guess my point is that Cena/Vince can't have it both ways. You can't say "hey get off our backs it's just a kids show" when a couple months back you told The Rock to suck your dick and called him gay.
Bryan being the one to do that is perfect.
ReplyDeleteIf they go the legit route I'd like to see Punk straight up *dare* Cena to face him again. "Last time we fought...JOHN...who was staring at the ceiling...JOHN..."
Call more people brainwashed and stupid because they disagree with you Super Brave Internet Guy. As long as you keep doing that, I'll gladly keep calling your kids ugly. If you want me to stop, simply stop resorting to troll tactics and have an actual conversation for once that doesn't resort to calling other people fools immediately.
ReplyDeleteWhen did I call you stupid or brainwashed? Never.
ReplyDeleteI don't want you to stop. I want you to do it every post so the rest of the board can see exactly who you are. It's delightful!
Ha! The fact you wrote IBID makes you my new hero.
ReplyDeleteWhen did I ever say you said it to me? I'm not the only person you've gotten into a lengthy argumentwith.
ReplyDeleteYa know what, screw it. I can't believe I have lowered myself to your level. I'm officially done with you. If I reply to you in the future, it is not to "attack" you but to legitimately make a point.
ReplyDeleteI apologize for insulting your kids. I shouldn't have done that. I still think you're a classic internet "tough guy" who loves to insult people, so I'm just gonna move on.
Dios Mio, man.
ReplyDeleteBoo, you didn't insult a 6 year old and then claim the high road in that post.
ReplyDeleteThumbs down. You're losing it.
You're going to legitimately make a point next time? I can't wait!
ReplyDeleteBut at least you're in your comfort zone.
ReplyDeleteI try not to stay away from this stuff but I can't resist. I also can't reply to the posts below so I have to put it here.
ReplyDeleteChin, you have to be the least self aware person on the internet, and that's saying something. I feel for the kids in high school who had to oppose you in Debate Club. There has to be a club like that for adults too, right? Maybe you should join and be able to indulge in your favourite pastimes: arguing Straw Man points and getting the last word ("if I get the last word it means I MUST be right").
Not done with me then?
ReplyDeletelol
As stated, I am making a legitimate point. You are in your comfort zone fighting on the internet. I am not.
ReplyDeleteWweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
ReplyDeleteSo you believe that you are right in your statement that "outside of a few years in the 90's", wrestling has always been a product aimed at children?
ReplyDeleteNot done with me then?
ReplyDeletelol
What's a pederast,Walter?
ReplyDeleteSure I am. I didn't say I wouldn't reply to you anymore. I'm genuinely curious if you truly believe that statement or not.
ReplyDeleteThe creep can roll, man.
ReplyDeleteLebowski references get all my likes, now and in perpetuity.
Of course I do, that's why I successfully argued it for three days while you attacked children.
ReplyDeleteThis is when you say "But it wasn't in the 70's when it was a different product entirely so neener neener!"
I guess I should have qualified my original statement with "Any successful wrestling promotion".
Silly me, I didn't think I needed to preface my statement with such nonsense. I figured we were arguing the business as it is, not the business as no one remembers it (and for good reason, it was awful and regional and didn't make 1/100th the money it makes now)
I'm not getting involved but I just want to share the hilarious mental image I have of Chin and whoever being on a debate dais and being shoved farther and farther over to the right until you can't understand anything they're saying.
ReplyDeleteInteresting. So it is your belief that no company in the 1950's, 60's or 70's, anywhere in the world was successful? If so, that's...peculiar.
ReplyDeleteNot done with me then? What happened to calling my kids names? That was more fun.
ReplyDeleteAre you really trying to compare the success of the business now to the business in the 50's? They're two *entirely* different industries.
But, just like the ratings thing, you seem to be unable to cope with things changing as time goes on.
Wrestling is wrestling is wrestling to Brave Internet Guy apparently, nevermind if the products don't even resemble each other anymore.
When I say I am done with you, I mean "you" as in, getting into internet fights where one person says the other is stupid, then claims they never said it, etc. I'm done playing the game you love. I am not done talking and/or arguing wrestling, even if it's with you. I'll just choose to ignore it when you try to make it personal, as I suspect you will repeatedly, as you already have.
ReplyDeleteBut at least back then you had great heel commentators who called out Hogan on the double-standards and hypocrisy, instead of kissing his ass like they do now with Cena.
ReplyDeleteHahahahahaha.....oh my god oh my god, did guy that attacks children for lack of an argument just say he wasn't making it personal?!?!
ReplyDeleteLOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You're the best.
Yes, I will compare the wrestling scene of the 1950's to the current scene. Why? Because you stated that in wrestling's ENTIRE HISTORY, it has been marketed towards children. The 1950's is part of wrestling's history, whether it looks like the current product or not, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteYou know, President's should ride in open top cars.
ReplyDeleteI mean, they did in the 50's right?! What could have changed since then?
Epic logic.
"
ReplyDeleteYou're the best." Thanks bro.
You know, Barack Obama isn't much like George Washington, so if I call him the BEST PRESIDENT EVER, you should ignore all other Presidents that aren't like him and assume I only mean of the last 20 years.
ReplyDeleteEpic logic indeed, right?
Didn't you at one point call me a "cock guzzler" or something similar? Nope, not personal at all. Brave Guy ONLY TAKES THE HIGH ROAD!
ReplyDeleteLmao.
You're comparing two things that are the same to two things that are different?
ReplyDeleteBoy, you must have been a beast in college.
I like that your entire argument depends on the business in the 50's being the same as it is now, lol.
It's always been marketed to kids. The industry of professional wrestling as we know it has always been marketed to children. You can't argue that though I'm sure you'll try.
I wish you'd call me more names though. I miss the real Brave Guy. This neutered and scared version of you isn't nearly as fun. Be yourself.
I can't be expected to keep track of all my wheelings and dealings!
ReplyDeleteYes, the business "as we know it" has always been marketed to kids. For probably the 8th time though: That wasn't your original point. As for personal insults, I'm sorry I've disappointed you, but I feel that one of us using personal attacks in our exchanges is more than enough. You're doing all the heavy lifting here, my friend!
ReplyDelete"I'm done with you"
ReplyDeleteClearly.
Oh yes, I've called you so many vile things that you...can't quote one.
ReplyDeleteSo I was right the whole time? Cool. What was the point of this exchange except for you to attack kids?
They don't bother me enough to go back through the threads and find them. Sorry to disappoint you again. :-(
ReplyDeleteShut the fuck up, Donnie.
ReplyDeleteKid tested, mother approved?
ReplyDeletelol thanx.
ReplyDeleteI think its gonna be my newest catchphrase besides "THIS BUSINESS!!!"
Holy shit snacks! I couldnt read it after Idk when. craziness!
ReplyDeleteFor the record. After copying and pasting the thread into Word, that had to be the most epic exchange ever.
ReplyDeleteGood times, Good Times...
Carry on guys. "Brave Guy" lolz... Chin you are a flame baiter but you make me laugh.
How the fuck did those two debate like that? The nesting got to the point where it was one letter per line!
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