Go Lebron! well, I mean, it's more "I'd like the whole conversation about the player to not involve stupid clutch arguments," and "I hate Thunder ownership," but still.
Agreed. I just watched "The Decision" a couple of days ago and it's funny to hear the "best player in the league" say he's leaving because he thinks he has a better chance to win elsewhere. Umm, shouldn't other players be wanting to go where he is because HE gives a team the best chance to win?
It was awful. Terrible acting + some random girl that we don't even know and therefore cannot relate to or feel sympathy for whatsoever + a terrible pay-off to an angle that's been built up for months= no buys.
Because he can't win on his own and needed to team up with a franchise/player who's already won? I wouldn't mind so much if it were the other way around - Bosh going to Cleveland because Lebron makes them a contender....and now everyone wants to go play with other star players in large markets, so look what that started.
I found a stream just to watch the final segment(Show doesn't come on for another hour), I don't even want to watch the rest of the show, that was just god awful.
When you have two HUGE NAMES who want to COME PLAY WITH YOU and management refuses you're supposed to...stay there because....?
"and now everyone wants to go play with other star players in large markets, so look what that started."
Wow. You must not watch basketball. Superteams have been the norm since forever. The only difference here is the players had THE AUDACITY to decide for themselves where they played. You know, the same right EVERY person has.
I think if more people were aware of the shit Thunder ownership/management pulled in getting the Sonics out of Seattle this would be more of a heel/heel match-up.
I know the players had no say in it, but I can never cheer for OKC as long as that group is running things. And I'm not even from Seattle (or was even a Sonics fan).
Give me "The Decision" over those scumbags any day of the week.
They all wanted to play together. Miami was the only team smart enough to clear enough cap space ahead of time.
If Cleveland had bothered trying to keep him, they could have. And we'd get have a WHOLE DIFFERENT set of irrational reasons for the casuals to despise Lebron despite not knowing the story.
A couple of years before they were actually free agents, so the teams that had them had no chance to actually keep them because they decided years ago they were all going somewhere together...but at least they actually waited to become free agents, now they just decided the team they play for should happily trade them to a bigger market because if you're going to team up with other star players for an easy ride to the championship you might as well do it in a big market.
I'm so confused. So what did AJ and Dixie holding hands walking into a hotel room together have to do with this random chick (I assume she's Daniels wife, or something) having a drug addiction?
Why do I have to like Lebron? What's so likable about him? ...Was there any reason why he couldn't sign with the Heat and have his little press conference afterwards? Any reason why he couldn't win a championship before he celebrated his upcoming 7 championships?
I'm actually a Heat (mostly Lebron) fan. Guy takes way too much shit. We should appreciate him while he's here. There was nothing wrong with him leaving Cleveland (probably shouldn't have televised it but it's been 2 years...). Plus he just seems like a nice dude. That kinda stuff matters to me (sometimes I think like a preteen girl).
But you don't think it's unfair to the teams that had them that they decided years prior they were going to go elsewhere to play together? Maybe if Toronto or Cleveland knew they had no chance of re-signing Bosh and Lebron they would've done something while they could have. Of course they couldn't come out and tell everyone they all agreed to go to Miami in a couple of years but that's not really within the rules.
Oh jesus. Ok here we go, because this has to be explained to everyone:
The Decision came from an ESPN contract that Lebron signed as a means of raising a metric fuck ton of charity money
and...
The party was not his. It's not like he DEMANDED a party.
You hate him for the dumbest reasons imaginable, because he did what he was told by his management.
I'm not saying you have to like him. Just don't hate him for utterly retarded reasons like "He wanted control of his own career" or "He didn't give that poor billionaire owner anything in return out of...charity...!"
They didn't agree to go to Miami. Holy fuck, how many times do I have to repeat this?
They agreed to play together.
ALL THOSE TEAMS HAD A FAIR SHOT AT SIGNING THEM.
Only one team was smart enough to clear the cap space to actually do it.
There was no conspiracy to go to Miami. They made it quite clear to everyone that when they all became free agents they were going to play together wherever a team would sign them.
Cleveland had the same exact shot that Miami had that Toronto had that New York had that Chicago had.
It's not difficult to leave a team for another team via free agency if that's what you want to do without looking like an arrogant jackass in the process. Other players manage to do it.
I don't consider myself a fan per say, but I have an interest in observing abject greatness, same reason I tried to appreciate Tim Duncan when he beat my team. But I kind of feel like the statute of limitations on the decision is up if you're not from Cleveland, and I also think that all the ways in which Lebron can be off putting are things that are the result of our culture's obsession with sports, to the point that we start fawning over a guy who is 14 years old as some sort of torchbearer. Whatever faults guys like Lebron have, I feel like we created them by putting too much on his shoulders too soon.
Of course he's not arrogant, people that don't like him are just living miserable lives and the only happiness they get is when something bad happens to Lebron. Meanwhile he gets to live his awesome better than everyone else's life. Nope, nothing unlikable about him at all.
Alright, up 10 at the half. Doesn't mean much since you KNOW the Thunder will make a run.
And I'm having trouble with Disqus/my phone so I'm just going to post here instead of jumping into "1,000" and Screamworks' argument and give my 2 cents.
I'm a Lebron fan and think everyone needs to get over The Decision. But 1,000, if you think the ESPN special was for "charity" you're pretty naive. Yes, the money went to the B&G club, but Lebron's management wanted the special to further build their client's "brand". The charity angle was put in cause they thought it would stifle criticism ("hey it was for charity").
And second, if you think Toronto/Cleveland had an equal shot at landing the big 3 you're nuts. The 3 of them decided a couple years back that they were going to play together, and Wade as the alpha male decided that Miami was the place. He went to Pat Riley and that's why Riley had his shit in order by 2010. Toronto/Cleveland had no idea this was coming but Miami (Riley) did.
Hoping OKC can get their shit together and make this a series. OKC is definitely better defensively than they have shown thus far, this should be a closer series than it has been. The shooting will come. The Heat have definitely been stellar too though, especially "the others". Lebron is ridiculous too, seeing him take the game apart in some of those slow motion replays is just amazing.
And what if the Raptors didn't trade Bosh when they could have because they believed there was a chance they could re-sign him, unaware that he knew for years he was leaving? They couldn't come out and tell teams they were all going to the same place while they were under contract so Cleveland and Toronto acted as if they might be able to re-sign both players. It seems like only Miami knew they should clear enough cap space to sign all 3.
But free agency is one thing. But now that they went to live the good live in Miami now anyone who thinks they're too good for their current team wants out and the team they're under contract to should just happily trade them to wherever they want to go.
Dude, everyone knew they wanted to play together after the Olympics. It wasn't some shock to everyone out of nowhere. It was mentioned in SI articles for *years* before they became free agents. "Will They?! Won't They?!"
Everyone knew it was coming. Pat Riley's a fucking genius, of course he was smarter than everyone else.
Carmelo was trying to get in on the action ahead of time for god's sake.
If his management did anything to try to stifle criticism I don't know why they bothered lol, people GET OFF on talking shit about the guy that doesn't make any sense. They pretend to actually care about Cleveland of all things! All the while cheering for an Oklahoma team that's ENTIRE FRANCHISE left, nevermind ONE player, lmao.
Again you're trying to blame something that's been happening in the league for thirty years on Lebron James. It's cute and all but it's simply not true. Lebron didn't do anything any other player hasn't done other than air his decision live on television.
If the Raptors didn't trade Bosh when they could have they're stupid. They knew his contract was up soon and the only way he was resigning was if they could get All Three.
This is what happened. Those cities didn't believe anyone was *actually* going to clear the space to sign all three guys so they kept operating under the assumption that the players would do what they're told.
Unfortunately for them, someone was able to clear the space and their bluff was called.
It happens.
This idea of fairness is quite a lame argument anyway, what is this little league?
I can buy that the guys talked about this idea about getting together in Miami ahead of time, but I highly doubt it was ever a sure thing. It might have been there intention, but it still required a near perfect storm to actually occur. There are just too many factors to consider -- if any of them had been in title contention, I doubt they would have broken their run. Injuries could have derailed it at any time. Things change.
I just don't understand why it bothers people so much -- they crossed their t's and dotted their i's. If you don't want to allow it, then make it illegal. I think players, GMs, owners, etc. are all well within their rights to make the most of the situation presented to them.
I don't think we'll ever know *for sure*, but reading comments from Dan Gilbert (I know I know), Bryan Colangelo, and insiders like Chris Broussard gives you the impression this thing WAS a done deal and Bosh/Lebron kinda strung their teams along in their final year.
But the average fan probably doesn't even know that stuff, so I really don't know exactly why they hate the guy so much.
It's not that hard to pull off - if all three players agree to it, all they have to do is not re-sign with their current teams. Then Wade lets the right people know their intention and the team prepares for it. Gutting the team to make room to sign the top 3 free agents available (one being the best player in the NBA) is a huge risk. No team is going to make that their realistic goal for the off-season unless they know it's almost a sure thing to happen.
The problem is that if they decided years ago they were going to Miami then it wasn't fair to Cleveland or Toronto. With impending free agents, it's a gamble. You have to gauge how likely you are to re-sign him, and decide whether or not to trade them while you can if re-signing them isn't an option. If they knew all along they had no chance to re-sign them they probably make a different decision. Or at least have all the information available to them to do so. But the players can't really come out and tell their teams that they're not re-signing under any circumstances because they decided to leave to play with their buddies elsewhere two or three years ago.
Yeah, I suppose they could have had some kind of backroom deal. Still, how is that going to be enforced if someone changes their mind? If the league was so aware of it and didn't approve of it, then they should have shut it down. Obviously the league wanted to let it play out and see where it goes.
No team is going to cut their roster because they think it's realistic to sign the top 3 free agents of the off season unless they have a good indication they're going to get them. That's the problem. If all three became free agents, and didn't like the offers they got form their current teams, or any other team, and Miami simply offered the most money or the best chance to win, that's fine. They're free to go where they want, if it happens they all end up in Miami, that's fine. But they decided years ago what they were going to do, and it just so happens that the team that actually took the risk of preparing for the unlikely event they could sign all three was the more desirable destination.
Teams have certainly made more unwise and riskier decisions than that. I think it easily could have come back to bite them. Who knows though, I guess maybe Pat Riley would have had them rubbed out if they didn't live up to their end of the bargain.
Lebron James not being able to get it down has been a sell-point to NBA's big success. If you weren't a Heat fan, you wanted to see him fail. Now that's he's going to win his first title, one must believe this is going to hurt the NBA's popularity.
I don't know what the league could do, really. How do you prove they all decided to play together in Miami years ago and that's why they all ended up there? Miami could've been clearing cap space for just Lebron. Maybe Bosh didn't like Toronto. Maybe Lebron didn't like the offer from Cleveland? You know what they were planning but it's hard to actually prove it and you can't stop free agents from signing where they want if the team can afford it, even if there's whispers they had it planned all along.
I didn't even bother watching this game. After the Game Four Foul-A-Mania. Once the referees started working to ensure the Heat won that game it was a no-brainer that they weren't going back to OKC, what would be the point in winning the ring Away?
I caught the second hour. As usual, Bully Ray + Joseph Park was great and RVD-Jeff Hardy had a nice little TV match. Really, ignore the last 10 minutes and you'll be satisfied.
True, this is like blowing off the big hot angle and not having anything to replace it, unless they are going to go with the Heat dynasty angle, which would probably be the best move.
I have a feeling Mike Miller will retire as soon as this game is over, if he even makes it that long before his body completely breaks down. Either that or be back next year shooting three pointers from his wheelchair.
Mike Miller is playing great, no doubt. But all he's doing is knocking down pen 3s. Lebron James' post-game has been incredible tonight. Thunder were scared of it all night and thus left Heat player's wide open on the perimeter. It's a great way for him to go out, though.
I just got home and am not sure if I want to watch the rest of this. On one hand, I always love to see a championship ceremony. On the other hand, it's like fucking Brett Hull winning the Cup in 99 all over again, except I don't have to see it in person.
LeBron, this will be your defining moment. Act gracious and don't be a dick and I (and most of America) will pretty much forgive you. Act like you did during The Decision with all your "not 3, not 4" bullshit and you might go down as the most hated athlete ever. The choice is yours, don't fuck this up.
I'm guessing you just haven't watched a lot of basketball. Teams take those kinds of risks *all the time*.
Routinely teams will trade off sure-thing draft picks for maybe the possibility of a better pick in three, four or five years.
Do a little digging into the Golden State Warriors for an example of a team that's made it it's franchise mission to attempt riskier shit than Miami did.
He did earn it. He's the best all-around player in the nba. Amazing post-player, one of the best driving forwards in the NBA, great fadeaway for a big man, an underrated long-range game and one of the best defenders all-around defenders as a lot of their offense generates from fast-breaks from Lebron's stone-wall defense.
I'm just guessing what the bullshit reason to further hate Lebron is going to be. Because YOU KNOW there will be a reason that this championship isn't legitimate.
It's hard to tell. I mean, I'm surprised people still act like they care about Cleveland "getting screwed" all the while cheering an Oklahoma City team that...well...everyone knows what happened THERE lol.
Damn the crowd sucks though. They are SO quiet, is everyone smoking pot? The Lakers crowd is pretty laid back, but they blow up when they win the title. The best this crowd can muster is a half-hearted chant... "Heat.... uhh.. Heat"
Don't bother, he's been wrong about Every. Single. Thing.
He hates Lebron because it's the cool thing, he doesn't actually know a bit about basketball, nothing more to see here that you couldn't see on your average PTI episode.
It's a state full of transplants. It's the same as LA, other than their dynasty team (which comes with tons of celebrities) no one else can draw. They can't even keep a football team in the second biggest market in the country.
See, that's annoying. Why is it that I can't just not Lebron? I can't form my own opinion on him? If I don't think he's just awesome super than I'm just hating because it's the cool thing to do. I don't like him. I didn't like him before it was cool to like him, I don't like him now. Two guys who can't win on their own decide to team up in a nice city so they can take the easily road to the championship, which leads to other players now deciding that playing with star players in nice cities is appealing so they're asking for trades...and this is all fine because if you don't like it you're just hatin on Lebron.
No, what's annoying is you continuing to make retarded reasons behind your hate. THAT'S what proves you're only hating him because it's popular.
You act like they were the first people ever to team up. Fucking JORDAN couldn't get it done alone. You act like because they went to Miami NOW people want to move to nice cities? I'm sorry, your reasoning is based on things that have happened in the league for DECADES.
You ARE just hating on Lebron because all of your reasons for hating him are things that Lebron did not start, you just CLAIM he started them because you have no *actual* reason for hating the guy.
"I hate Lebron because of HIM guys have to team up now!"
Tell that to Kobe/Shaq Tell that to Shaq/Wade Tell that to Duncan/Parker Tell that to Jordan/Pippen
You're just making stuff up and it's plainly obvious.
By the way -- what is your guys' favorite NBA championship playoff run?
I think for me it's the 1995 Houston underdog run. 6th seed, coming back from behind in two series, beating four 50+ win teams en route to a second title back to back, all lead by maybe the most likable of all NBA players Hakeem Olajuwon and one of the best individual performances ever against the Spurs in the WCF.
The Phoenix/Bulls 1993 series is probably a close second. The Pistons upsetting the Lakers in 2004 is a big favorite too.
They're all making over $100 million. They're playing in a tax free state and there's probably some money to be made winning NBA Championships. They're going to make up for the $15 or so million they left on the table.
My heart says Mavs/Heat but that's probably because it was so recent and I <<<333 me some Jason Terry (seriously, the guy can't do shit as a starter but if you bring him off the bench two minutes into the game he plays like Ray Allen...wtf is with that shit?!?)
I'd probably have to overall go with '96 just because I was there for Game 4 of that doomed series. Everyone knew the Sonics were going to lose but we actually got to see them win one AT HOME against Jordan, that was as close as we ever got in my lifetime and in my memory it's about as big as a Title anyway lmao.
Clearly you know what I think and why more than I do, seeing as how I'm retarded and all.
The combinations you mentioned are different than the Heat. Kobe was drafted, Shaq was a free agent. Wade was drafted, they traded for Shaq. Duncan and Parker, both drafted. Pippen was traded to the Bulls.
That's not the same as 3 established superstars deciding to form a super team years in advance.
I know what reasons you give. I only argue your shitty reasons.
Notice I put holes in them and you come up with more reasons.
Oh look! MORE arguments! Now your problem *isn't* that they teamed up (and thus have forced everyone to team up even though people have been teaming up for deacdes...)
Right, but that's not the point, they still left the cash on the table, which makes them a poor choice to represent greed. Plus, the strike wasn't really for the benefit of the superstars. It was about shorter contract lengths and owners getting as close to a hard cap as the players would let them and mostly about owners trying to re-assert control over a league that they felt was getting away from them. Heck, the NBA system allows a superduperstar to make less money than in baseball or football. The heat can by symptomatic of a lot of issues, I just don't see greed as one of them, except in the generic "they make millions of dollars a year" sense, which is true of all pro athletes at the highest level.
For one, tickets there are so expensive that the real fans are priced out. The other thing is that most people in Miami weren't born there, and it's a tourist town. They don't have the type of fanbase that most cities in the rust belt and the Northeast have, where cheering for your team is almost something that's passed down from generation to generation. Except for the Dolphins and Bucs (who don't draw shit if they're not at least 10-6), every team in Florida either moved there or were given expansion teams in the last 30 years. It's no big surprise that the Rays, Marlins, Panthers, Lightning, and Magic don't draw shit, because everyone that lives down there probably grew up somewhere else and is a Yankee, Giant, Sabre, Knick, Red Sox, etc... fan. And no one gives a fuck about the Jaguars. The Heat have had the one of the best teams in the NBA for the last few years, and have had to put white T-shits over the seats during most regular season games to make the crowd not look half-empty. There's a good reason that the NHL and MLB never got anywhere near Florida until about 1991, and the only reason they're there now is that Selig and Bettman are retarded.
The Gators have good crowds but the Noles struggle to sell out their stadium, and the Hurricanes can barely get 8,000 people in an NFL Stadium (granted they play 45 minutes from the Miami campus, but still!)
I hate LeBron because of the comments he made last year, and because he just comes off as a dick, though the last hour or so did a lot for his image. Just my 2 cents, carry on slamming this guy with all your completely valid poits. Again, not being sarcastic.
Florida doesn't have state income tax. Players have to pay tax on their per-game salary for road games. By playing in Florida they don't have to pay income tax for 41 games, as opposed to any other team who pays their home state as well as any road game outside of Florida. Just because their contract isn't for as much money as it could be doesn't mean they're not grossing as much or more given the tax breaks and other endorsements.
I think I might watch the new Futuarama from last night. Or just pick a random NES game from the emulator. Might get a Mario game, might get some crap made by Color Dreams or American Video Entertainment. We'll see what happens...
Is there a bad thing about 3 superstars deciding to form a team and win a title? Seems like a good idea to me. Hell, if it was anyone but LeBron involved, or if LeBron wasn't a dick, I'd be one of their biggest fans. Better than watching a team that comes up short because their GM can't find his ass with both hands. It's 2012, the days of players having loyalty to the teams that drafted them or their hometown is over.
My argument was, and always was, this - I don't like that a group of Superstar players got together and decided that they were going to team up in a couple of years. It screwed over the teams they were playing for. And there's some question as to how hard they were playing around the end, when they knew they were on the way to Miami. That's not a GM making a trade to add another Superstar. Or adding a star player to go with a rising young player. Or developing your own players into Superstars. That's 3 star players deciding it'd be easier and more fun if they team up on one team, and somehow Miami just so happens to be positioning themselves in case this never before seen event happens to come along. Toronto could have had all the cap space in the world, if you think they were going to sign in Toronto you're out of your mind.
Once they became free agents, they're free to leave. They don't owe it to their teams to stay - but I don't think it's fair that those teams were operating as if re-signing their players was a possibility when it wasn't. Or that they lead those teams on so their little plan wouldn't be as obvious as it was.
You're mentioning great pairings in the past that didn't come together because the players decided it'd be easier to win if they met up on the same team.
I don't like how premeditated it seems to have been. They decide to play together and Miami just so happens to set themselves up to sign not one or two but all three of the top free agents available. If it happened more organically it's not as bad, but it's not overly fair to Toronto or Cleveland that this was planned long ago and there was nothing they could do to change it. Not that I blame anyone for wanting out of Cleveland or Toronto, mind you, it's just not entirely fair that the Raptors would hold onto Bosh hoping he'd be in their future plans when he knew all along there was literally no chance if it happening.
And I don't like the effect it seems to be having now, with everyone wanting to form their own super-team in a big market, and demanding trades because they can't wait until free agency...unless of course you let them practically run the team, then they'll consider accepting the millions of dollars you're offering them to play a game.
I thought he was a dick was implied when I called him an arrogant jackass. But you kindly explained to me why I'm wrong for thinking that the only player in the history of sports to think he was important enough to warrant a prime time special to announce where he was going to play, and then celebrated his championships before he won them, is an arrogant jackass. Oh, and there's that thing about how anyone who hates him must do so because their lives suck and they don't get to live the life Lebron James does.
That 93 Bulls/Suns series was the best I've ever seen. Just spectacular. I agree, the '95 Houston run was a lot of fun, as well. Hakeem was on a different level that year.
As for BEST runs ever I gotta go with the '01 Lakers. I don't think even Jordan's Bulls could have been that team 4/7.
Seriously. Why do people even watch ESPN anymore? Especially basketball fans...their top crew can't hold a candle to teh worst of NBA TV/TNT. I mean...ABC/ESPN still puts Magic on the air as a supposedly legit analyst.
I can't endorse 94 or 95 cause you-know-who wasn't there (I know he played in the 95 playoffs but he wasn't 100%... and I'm not a Jordan mark/apologist).
For an entire playoffs I'd go 1993. So many all time greats in their prime. Jordan, Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem, etc. That Sonics-Suns series was incredible. Sometimes I forget just how much of a beast Barkley was.
My favourite final was 04. I had never hated a team/player more than the Lakers/Kobe (wasn't too fond of Shaq, either).
My all-time favourite series, any round, is Bulls-Pacers from 98.
You keep making arguments based on facts. Facts can be wrong. As you are consistently.
Opinions can't be.
Celebrated his championships before he won them...AGAIN...AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN...he didn't fucking demand that party. They did that party to SELL TICKETS.
And you're still wrong on every count, as I've explained.
I've shown why you are wrong about the party, why you're wrong about them "screwing their teams", why you're wrong about them setting a precedent for super teams, why you're wrong about them setting a precedent for players wanting to move, why you were wrong about every other team having an equal shot.
You fucking love being wrong. I shall let you practice your love on your own now. This is boring and you just keep repeating the same tired bullshit that's easily, demonstrably, plainly, obviously...fucking wrong.
2 reasons: it's the only network that has decent Nascar coverage, and they employ Rachael Nichols and Lindsay Czarniak. But seriously, ESPN has become a complete embarrassment, basically now dedicated to blowing Tebow and Tiger. But we really have no other option. And espn.com is still the best sports website around. But I really hope that NBC or Time Warner or someone else tries to do a full-on 24 hour sports network, I mean got to war with them like Nitro to ESPN's Raw, only with a much better outcome for Nitro in the long run this time.
So what do you guys think... does this title get an asterisk? I guess the 2 main points are the shortened, condensed schedule (which hurt older teams like the Celtics... who still took the eventual champs to 7 but looked gassed by the end) and the Derrick Rose injury.
Oh, OK, I see what you mean. You gotta put a lot of the blame on Dan Gilbert and whoever owns the Raptors (Rodgers, Inc?), though. Run you're franchise properly and you wouldn't be in this position. This sort of thing doesn't happen to teams like the Spurs, Suns, Rockets, Celtics, and so on. Hell, if they had any idea what they were doing in Cleveland or Toronto they would have never had that high of a draft pick to begin with (don't even get me started on how fucking stupid the draft lottery is...), because they would have had a winning record sometime in the 10 years before Bosh and LeBron got there. I guess what I'm saying is don't blame the players, blame the system that allows owners to treat their teams and fans like shit and still make money. If I were one of those guys I'd have been planning it the moment I declared for the draft.
Only I'm not wrong. Did someone script what he said at the party? Because he's the one who promised 7 titles and celebrates as if signing with the Heat was the major accomplishment - the titles would just easily come.
You're argument is that they were all free agents and didn't owe their teams anything. Well if they owed them nothing, they're certainly delivered. Bosh didn't play down the stretch and Lebron gave up in the playoffs. Toronto and Cleveland had no chance to re-sign their players and didn't know it. New York and Chicago did clear cap space for Lebron, but didn't know signing Bosh and Wade was part of the deal. They played along just long enough to make it seem like this wasn't their plan all along and then suddenly they all ended up on the one team who had the foresight to prepare for the extremely unlikely event that they could sign the top 3 free agents on the market and they'd all take pay cuts to do it.
So you say super-teams have always existed. Have star players demanded to be traded as frequently as it's happening lately? You mention examples of super-teams or pairings that came together through drafting or trades. Not the same as behind the scenes meetings where three players decide to team up on a particular team years in advance. It's just a bit of a coincidence that the one team who prepared for sign all 3 was the team who had one of them already. Something tells me Cleveland wasn't told they could, or had, to sign all three of them.
Hell no. Rose and the Bulls were gonna get beat in the second round buy the Heat or Celtics anyway, and even with the shortened schedule the 2 old teams (Celtics and Spurs) were 2 of the last 4. I hope the NBA (and the NHL, which REALLY NEEDS a shorter season) seriously considers shortening the season next year to about 66 games in the usual time period, not the condensed form we had this year. Not gonna happen though.
Rogers owns the Raptors and every other major sports team in Toronto. They're all run the same way - make a profit, win if you can, but mainly make a profit. Which is fine with me because Toronto sports fans are obnoxious when their teams are terrible, I don't think I can handle them if they ever get good.
The Raptors are a terribly run organization and I'm not entirely sure Bryan Colangelo knows what he's doing. He has the reputation and he sounds convinced what he's doing is going to work but it seems hopeless. Even without the Miami rumors it doesn't take a genius to know that based on past history alone nobody is staying in Toronto longer than they have to....I don't blame players for wanting to leave. In Lebron's case it's funny to hear the guy considered the best in the NBA outright say he has a better chance to win elsewhere (with 2 All Stars) rather than take on the challenge of winning where he is...and the Decision was a terrible idea. I just assumed he was staying in Cleveland when they announced that because there was no way he'd dump the Cavs on live tv...but if they don't like where they're at and want to leave, that's fine, I just think the team should be aware of that and not dicked around for two or three years because technically they can't announce their true intentions. Even teams like Chicago and New York made moves and went into the off-season thinking they could sign Lebron, not knowing that unless they were signing Bosh and Wade to it wasn't happening.
(I'm typing in a window the size of a postage stamp right now... fuck...)
Calling "The Decision" a terrible idea is like saying getting kicked in the balls kinda hurts. That right there is why people hate LeBron, all he had to do was say through his agent that he was leaving, and he 100% should have said something either a few weeks before or right after the trade deadline. I'm not saying LeBron isn't an asshole, I'm saying this sort of thing is the norm now, and we need to get used to it. Or they could just fix the whole league, but this off-season proved that's a long time coming.
I guess I prefer the single sports-dedicated networks to the mass appeal crap from espn. NFL and NBA TV have pretty much killed my viewing of any ESPN studio show. Although, watching a channel either produced by the league (NFL), or paid for by the league (NBA TV production is contracted out to Turner), opens up another can of worms...
I'm pretty sure the Rays didn't even sell out for the playoffs, though at least they have an excuse with that shithole of a "ballpark" that's on the other side of the bay they play in.
In hindsight it might seem like that, because they were all buddies on the Olympics and continued to be for a couple years until they ultimately joined together. Conspiracy or not, it was actually pretty surprising to many that on the day before the Decision, several news sources reported Bosh, Wade, and Lebron were gonna team up in Miami.
Earlier in that week of the Decision, Cleveland and Chicago were very strong possibilities for Bron. Of course now we know what we know now.
Its written by a Cleveland sports journalist who followed Lebrons career very closely since his rookie year, but its mostly goes from the 2009 to 2011 playoffs where he choked in the playoffs and the 2010 Decision where he "sold out" to South Beach.
I'm not sure if Screamworks is from Cleveland or whats up, but the novel paints a good picture of just why Lebron haters hate Lebron.
I'm frankly a Celtics and Kings fan and, as much of a hardcore basketball fan as I am, I dont have intense feelings about Lebron one way or the other. But I can pretty much see why people hate him.
I had several running jokes with my friends, all Lakers fans that season, my favorite of which was "11 Leon Powes could beat the Lakers in a 7-game series"
After that Game 6 blowout I think I had them thinking the Celtics had the Lakers' number forever more when they won the game by like 37 points or some shit. Then 2009 and 2010 happened. Its funny, in my circle everyone thought the Lakers would blow by the Magic in '09 and yet they were legitimately terrified of the old fart Celtics in 2010. Guess they got the last laugh... for the time being.
Of course I'm 26 and didnt experience the real Celtics-Lakers rivalries in the 80's so theres that; so yeah 2008 was the best, with the 2004 Pistons team being 2nd for my favorite runs.
2002 Kings was my favorite TEAM, unfortunately there run was tainted. Bad memories.
Lol, sorry it came off that way, no not meant as advice for dealing with Screamworks, I guess I just like the book and I was never that interested in Lebron.
But those who hate Lebron and those who like Lebron have the same thing in common to me, they wont be talked out of their position. Hell they have television programs devoted to this subject.
Rasheed is maybe my favorite player ever. Well maybe not as a player, but as a presence and a quote machine, he's hard to beat. Some of the stuff he said to the media was legendary and I loved his trash talk during the games, especially "BALL DON'T LIE" on missed free-throw attempts lol
He should have been in pro-wrestling ages ago instead of Rodman.
Yeah if nothing else, the thing that disappointed me the most was that we didn't ever really get to see them at their best in this series. They played alright, but certainly like a young, shaky team in the finals for the first time.
Lol, that is true. I just can't figure a book written by an elderly Cleveland sports writer (the saddest profession ever) post-Decision could possibly be unbiased.
I mean shit, the book is called "The WHORE of Akron" lol, that isn't heavy handed *at all*
You had close to the best Rasheed. We of the 2010 Celtics had washed up Rasheed where he never bothered to jog past either 3 point line and yet he'd hit clutch 3 pointers well past the point any fan would have written him off.
If he did get the ball in the post, it was high theater. You never knew if he'd dunk/score on a legit defender like Odom or Haslem or do something completely effed up like offensive foul or cough the ball up.
"Rasheed has the ball. What the hell is gonna happen now!?!?"
Every now and then, some new challenger has to address stuff that is blatantly wrong, until "that guy who ignores reality" overwhelms them by ignoring everything, and then they are ignored until the next one appears. it's the ciiiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiife, and it moooooooves us allllll.
No asterisk. The level of play this year was much higher than it was for the 99 lock out and the only really bad injury for a title contender was Chicago. I guess you could maybe argue for the Clippers, with billups and some other minor stuff, but I didn't see them blazing past everyone with that roster anyhow, so no biggie.
Buffalo. Happened before I was even born, there's really no evidence the team even existed outside of 1 or 2 bars having a jersey hanging up. Not even any banners in the arena where the Sabres play, at least as of 2 years ago.
The PHX/HOU series during the Rockets' back to back 'ship run were some serious playoff wars. "Choke City/Clutch city" in 94 then the Kiss of death in '95.
Someone, I think it was Todd Helton, referred to it as being like playing on a cruise ship, and not in a good way. They fact that guys are shitting on the place in ways that don't even really make sense tells you all you need to know.
We can't all be SUPER BRAVE HEROESlike you, daring to live in a world where you can post 1,400 times on the internet in a desperate attempt to not look at your childs face.
F Lebron.
ReplyDeleteI just tuned into Impact. I really like the guy that used to be Eli Burke.
ReplyDeleteJoey Crawford=Nick Patrick.
ReplyDeleteGo Lebron! well, I mean, it's more "I'd like the whole conversation about the player to not involve stupid clutch arguments," and "I hate Thunder ownership," but still.
ReplyDeleteNBA needs to follow Wrestlemania rule: faces (OK City) go over.
ReplyDeleteI like what TNA is doing, but they need to work on the backgrounds in the backstage area. It looks like Mankind's boiler room there.
ReplyDeleteI'd hate for that NXT thread to get overshadowed!
ReplyDeleteOr they could go the WWW 2002 - 2005 route and have the Heat win every year until people stop caring..
ReplyDeleteIf they win tonight, I fear that's gonna happen.
ReplyDeleteWow, this close to Impact is downright awful.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise it was a great show!
Agreed. I just watched "The Decision" a couple of days ago and it's funny to hear the "best player in the league" say he's leaving because he thinks he has a better chance to win elsewhere. Umm, shouldn't other players be wanting to go where he is because HE gives a team the best chance to win?
ReplyDeleteIt was awful. Terrible acting + some random girl that we don't even know and therefore cannot relate to or feel sympathy for whatsoever + a terrible pay-off to an angle that's been built up for months= no buys.
ReplyDeleteThat's exactly why he left.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteBecause he can't win on his own and needed to team up with a franchise/player who's already won? I wouldn't mind so much if it were the other way around - Bosh going to Cleveland because Lebron makes them a contender....and now everyone wants to go play with other star players in large markets, so look what that started.
ReplyDeleteI found a stream just to watch the final segment(Show doesn't come on for another hour), I don't even want to watch the rest of the show, that was just god awful.
ReplyDeleteGood try but you're retardedly wrong.
ReplyDeleteCleveland wouldn't take Bosh.
Cleveland wouldn't take Wade.
When you have two HUGE NAMES who want to COME PLAY WITH YOU and management refuses you're supposed to...stay there because....?
"and now everyone wants to go play with other star players in large markets, so look what that started."
Wow. You must not watch basketball. Superteams have been the norm since forever. The only difference here is the players had THE AUDACITY to decide for themselves where they played. You know, the same right EVERY person has.
I think if more people were aware of the shit Thunder ownership/management pulled in getting the Sonics out of Seattle this would be more of a heel/heel match-up.
ReplyDeleteI know the players had no say in it, but I can never cheer for OKC as long as that group is running things. And I'm not even from Seattle (or was even a Sonics fan).
Give me "The Decision" over those scumbags any day of the week.
Noooo! The rest of the show was good. Lots of good little matches for the BFG series, it was just that ending that killed it all.
ReplyDeleteHonestly I'm glad, get that storyline over with, AJ and Dixie are horrible actors. Give me more Joseph Park.
I agree with everything you've said, but I the heat are more tweeners to me at this point.
ReplyDeleteGimmick infringement!
ReplyDeleteSomehow the last time I did this we ended up talking about boxing and Nascar.
They all wanted to play together. Miami was the only team smart enough to clear enough cap space ahead of time.
ReplyDeleteIf Cleveland had bothered trying to keep him, they could have. And we'd get have a WHOLE DIFFERENT set of irrational reasons for the casuals to despise Lebron despite not knowing the story.
A couple of years before they were actually free agents, so the teams that had them had no chance to actually keep them because they decided years ago they were all going somewhere together...but at least they actually waited to become free agents, now they just decided the team they play for should happily trade them to a bigger market because if you're going to team up with other star players for an easy ride to the championship you might as well do it in a big market.
ReplyDeleteLarry Bird and Magic Johnson were the only good players on their teams. Known fact.
ReplyDeleteThey were free agents. They didn't need to be traded. There was no "This is unfair because their team didn't get anything in return" kind of deals.
ReplyDeleteThey were free agents.
Free.
Agents.
They could leave and go anywhere they pleased. They owed their respective teams nothing.
I'm so confused. So what did AJ and Dixie holding hands walking into a hotel room together have to do with this random chick (I assume she's Daniels wife, or something) having a drug addiction?
ReplyDeleteWhy do I have to like Lebron? What's so likable about him? ...Was there any reason why he couldn't sign with the Heat and have his little press conference afterwards? Any reason why he couldn't win a championship before he celebrated his upcoming 7 championships?
ReplyDeleteI'm actually a Heat (mostly Lebron) fan. Guy takes way too much shit. We should appreciate him while he's here. There was nothing wrong with him leaving Cleveland (probably shouldn't have televised it but it's been 2 years...). Plus he just seems like a nice dude. That kinda stuff matters to me (sometimes I think like a preteen girl).
ReplyDeleteBut you don't think it's unfair to the teams that had them that they decided years prior they were going to go elsewhere to play together? Maybe if Toronto or Cleveland knew they had no chance of re-signing Bosh and Lebron they would've done something while they could have. Of course they couldn't come out and tell everyone they all agreed to go to Miami in a couple of years but that's not really within the rules.
ReplyDeleteOh jesus. Ok here we go, because this has to be explained to everyone:
ReplyDeleteThe Decision came from an ESPN contract that Lebron signed as a means of raising a metric fuck ton of charity money
and...
The party was not his. It's not like he DEMANDED a party.
You hate him for the dumbest reasons imaginable, because he did what he was told by his management.
I'm not saying you have to like him. Just don't hate him for utterly retarded reasons like "He wanted control of his own career" or "He didn't give that poor billionaire owner anything in return out of...charity...!"
Dude. I have no fucking clue. At first I thought that was going to be AJ's wife and they were going to go for like...a failed pregnancy or something.
ReplyDeleteI hope this whole storyline get's White Hummer'd.
They didn't agree to go to Miami. Holy fuck, how many times do I have to repeat this?
ReplyDeleteThey agreed to play together.
ALL THOSE TEAMS HAD A FAIR SHOT AT SIGNING THEM.
Only one team was smart enough to clear the cap space to actually do it.
There was no conspiracy to go to Miami. They made it quite clear to everyone that when they all became free agents they were going to play together wherever a team would sign them.
Cleveland had the same exact shot that Miami had that Toronto had that New York had that Chicago had.
It's not difficult to leave a team for another team via free agency if that's what you want to do without looking like an arrogant jackass in the process. Other players manage to do it.
ReplyDeleteOnly Lebron James could raise several millions of dollars for The Boys and Girls Club and be called an arrogant jackass for doing it, rflol.
ReplyDeleteOh how I love America's love affair with hating the best.
I don't consider myself a fan per say, but I have an interest in observing abject greatness, same reason I tried to appreciate Tim Duncan when he beat my team.
ReplyDeleteBut I kind of feel like the statute of limitations on the decision is up if you're not from Cleveland, and I also think that all the ways in which Lebron can be off putting are things that are the result of our culture's obsession with sports, to the point that we start fawning over a guy who is 14 years old as some sort of torchbearer. Whatever faults guys like Lebron have, I feel like we created them by putting too much on his shoulders too soon.
Of course he's not arrogant, people that don't like him are just living miserable lives and the only happiness they get is when something bad happens to Lebron. Meanwhile he gets to live his awesome better than everyone else's life. Nope, nothing unlikable about him at all.
ReplyDeleteAlright, up 10 at the half. Doesn't mean much since you KNOW the Thunder will make a run.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm having trouble with Disqus/my phone so I'm just going to post here instead of jumping into "1,000" and Screamworks' argument and give my 2 cents.
I'm a Lebron fan and think everyone needs to get over The Decision. But 1,000, if you think the ESPN special was for "charity" you're pretty naive. Yes, the money went to the B&G club, but Lebron's management wanted the special to further build their client's "brand". The charity angle was put in cause they thought it would stifle criticism ("hey it was for charity").
And second, if you think Toronto/Cleveland had an equal shot at landing the big 3 you're nuts. The 3 of them decided a couple years back that they were going to play together, and Wade as the alpha male decided that Miami was the place. He went to Pat Riley and that's why Riley had his shit in order by 2010. Toronto/Cleveland had no idea this was coming but Miami (Riley) did.
Hoping OKC can get their shit together and make this a series. OKC is definitely better defensively than they have shown thus far, this should be a closer series than it has been. The shooting will come. The Heat have definitely been stellar too though, especially "the others". Lebron is ridiculous too, seeing him take the game apart in some of those slow motion replays is just amazing.
ReplyDeleteGlad we agree finally!
ReplyDeleteAnd what if the Raptors didn't trade Bosh when they could have because they believed there was a chance they could re-sign him, unaware that he knew for years he was leaving? They couldn't come out and tell teams they were all going to the same place while they were under contract so Cleveland and Toronto acted as if they might be able to re-sign both players. It seems like only Miami knew they should clear enough cap space to sign all 3.
ReplyDeleteBut free agency is one thing. But now that they went to live the good live in Miami now anyone who thinks they're too good for their current team wants out and the team they're under contract to should just happily trade them to wherever they want to go.
Dude, everyone knew they wanted to play together after the Olympics. It wasn't some shock to everyone out of nowhere. It was mentioned in SI articles for *years* before they became free agents. "Will They?! Won't They?!"
ReplyDeleteEveryone knew it was coming. Pat Riley's a fucking genius, of course he was smarter than everyone else.
Carmelo was trying to get in on the action ahead of time for god's sake.
If his management did anything to try to stifle criticism I don't know why they bothered lol, people GET OFF on talking shit about the guy that doesn't make any sense. They pretend to actually care about Cleveland of all things! All the while cheering for an Oklahoma team that's ENTIRE FRANCHISE left, nevermind ONE player, lmao.
Again you're trying to blame something that's been happening in the league for thirty years on Lebron James. It's cute and all but it's simply not true. Lebron didn't do anything any other player hasn't done other than air his decision live on television.
ReplyDeleteIf the Raptors didn't trade Bosh when they could have they're stupid. They knew his contract was up soon and the only way he was resigning was if they could get All Three.
This is what happened. Those cities didn't believe anyone was *actually* going to clear the space to sign all three guys so they kept operating under the assumption that the players would do what they're told.
Unfortunately for them, someone was able to clear the space and their bluff was called.
It happens.
This idea of fairness is quite a lame argument anyway, what is this little league?
I can buy that the guys talked about this idea about getting together in Miami ahead of time, but I highly doubt it was ever a sure thing. It might have been there intention, but it still required a near perfect storm to actually occur. There are just too many factors to consider -- if any of them had been in title contention, I doubt they would have broken their run. Injuries could have derailed it at any time. Things change.
ReplyDeleteI just don't understand why it bothers people so much -- they crossed their t's and dotted their i's. If you don't want to allow it, then make it illegal. I think players, GMs, owners, etc. are all well within their rights to make the most of the situation presented to them.
I don't think we'll ever know *for sure*, but reading comments from Dan Gilbert (I know I know), Bryan Colangelo, and insiders like Chris Broussard gives you the impression this thing WAS a done deal and Bosh/Lebron kinda strung their teams along in their final year.
ReplyDeleteBut the average fan probably doesn't even know that stuff, so I really don't know exactly why they hate the guy so much.
Why does Kobe Bryant think he deserves the best center playing the game? What is this? The Western Conference or some shit?!
ReplyDeleteIt's not that hard to pull off - if all three players agree to it, all they have to do is not re-sign with their current teams. Then Wade lets the right people know their intention and the team prepares for it. Gutting the team to make room to sign the top 3 free agents available (one being the best player in the NBA) is a huge risk. No team is going to make that their realistic goal for the off-season unless they know it's almost a sure thing to happen.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that if they decided years ago they were going to Miami then it wasn't fair to Cleveland or Toronto. With impending free agents, it's a gamble. You have to gauge how likely you are to re-sign him, and decide whether or not to trade them while you can if re-signing them isn't an option. If they knew all along they had no chance to re-sign them they probably make a different decision. Or at least have all the information available to them to do so. But the players can't really come out and tell their teams that they're not re-signing under any circumstances because they decided to leave to play with their buddies elsewhere two or three years ago.
Yeah, I suppose they could have had some kind of backroom deal. Still, how is that going to be enforced if someone changes their mind? If the league was so aware of it and didn't approve of it, then they should have shut it down. Obviously the league wanted to let it play out and see where it goes.
ReplyDeleteNo team is going to cut their roster because they think it's realistic to sign the top 3 free agents of the off season unless they have a good indication they're going to get them. That's the problem. If all three became free agents, and didn't like the offers they got form their current teams, or any other team, and Miami simply offered the most money or the best chance to win, that's fine. They're free to go where they want, if it happens they all end up in Miami, that's fine. But they decided years ago what they were going to do, and it just so happens that the team that actually took the risk of preparing for the unlikely event they could sign all three was the more desirable destination.
ReplyDeleteTeams have certainly made more unwise and riskier decisions than that. I think it easily could have come back to bite them. Who knows though, I guess maybe Pat Riley would have had them rubbed out if they didn't live up to their end of the bargain.
ReplyDeleteBad time for them to lay an egg out there...
ReplyDeleteLebron James not being able to get it down has been a sell-point to NBA's big success. If you weren't a Heat fan, you wanted to see him fail. Now that's he's going to win his first title, one must believe this is going to hurt the NBA's popularity.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what the league could do, really. How do you prove they all decided to play together in Miami years ago and that's why they all ended up there? Miami could've been clearing cap space for just Lebron. Maybe Bosh didn't like Toronto. Maybe Lebron didn't like the offer from Cleveland? You know what they were planning but it's hard to actually prove it and you can't stop free agents from signing where they want if the team can afford it, even if there's whispers they had it planned all along.
ReplyDeleteLadies and Gentleman, Mike Miller.
ReplyDeleteThe more desirable destination was the only team that cut their roster because they thought it was a realistic shot to sign all three.
ReplyDeleteThey took the biggest risk and thus reaped the reward.
It's *SUPPOSED* to be the American fucking Dream.
Nah, now people will want to watch him fail in his attempt to repeat. Hatred doesn't go away when the guy you hate wins, it gets stronger.
ReplyDeleteI didn't even bother watching this game. After the Game Four Foul-A-Mania. Once the referees started working to ensure the Heat won that game it was a no-brainer that they weren't going back to OKC, what would be the point in winning the ring Away?
ReplyDeleteI caught the second hour. As usual, Bully Ray + Joseph Park was great and RVD-Jeff Hardy had a nice little TV match. Really, ignore the last 10 minutes and you'll be satisfied.
ReplyDeleteMike Miller might as well just retire now.
ReplyDeleteI take it everyone in Seattle is happy as fuck right now?
ReplyDeleteTrue, this is like blowing off the big hot angle and not having anything to replace it, unless they are going to go with the Heat dynasty angle, which would probably be the best move.
ReplyDeleteEh, I would've liked a Durant win but I'm sure most of the people are happy lol.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's going to be harder to criticize Lebron now. Everything he's been criticized has been proven wrong.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling Mike Miller will retire as soon as this game is over, if he even makes it that long before his body completely breaks down. Either that or be back next year shooting three pointers from his wheelchair.
ReplyDeleteit ain't getting any better than that.
ReplyDeleteMike Miller is playing great, no doubt. But all he's doing is knocking down pen 3s. Lebron James' post-game has been incredible tonight. Thunder were scared of it all night and thus left Heat player's wide open on the perimeter. It's a great way for him to go out, though.
ReplyDeleteOMG I can't believe Lebron James was ~ARROGANT~ enough to hold that trophy over his head and act LIKE HE EARNED IT!!!
ReplyDeleteThat, times 10,000, all over ESPN for the next five days.
I just got home and am not sure if I want to watch the rest of this. On one hand, I always love to see a championship ceremony. On the other hand, it's like fucking Brett Hull winning the Cup in 99 all over again, except I don't have to see it in person.
ReplyDeleteLeBron, this will be your defining moment. Act gracious and don't be a dick and I (and most of America) will pretty much forgive you. Act like you did during The Decision with all your "not 3, not 4" bullshit and you might go down as the most hated athlete ever. The choice is yours, don't fuck this up.
I'm guessing you just haven't watched a lot of basketball. Teams take those kinds of risks *all the time*.
ReplyDeleteRoutinely teams will trade off sure-thing draft picks for maybe the possibility of a better pick in three, four or five years.
Do a little digging into the Golden State Warriors for an example of a team that's made it it's franchise mission to attempt riskier shit than Miami did.
That's just who he is, though. Miller pulling this off is just shocking.
ReplyDeleteHe did earn it. He's the best all-around player in the nba. Amazing post-player, one of the best driving forwards in the NBA, great fadeaway for a big man, an underrated long-range game and one of the best defenders all-around defenders as a lot of their offense generates from fast-breaks from Lebron's stone-wall defense.
ReplyDeleteOh no no no, I totally agree.
ReplyDeleteI'm just guessing what the bullshit reason to further hate Lebron is going to be. Because YOU KNOW there will be a reason that this championship isn't legitimate.
He had a Matt Bonner performance.
ReplyDeleteSpy-gate? Head hunting? Paid the referees off?
ReplyDeleteIf I was him, I'd heel it up. Big time.
ReplyDeleteI would too. Be he shouldn't.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to tell. I mean, I'm surprised people still act like they care about Cleveland "getting screwed" all the while cheering an Oklahoma City team that...well...everyone knows what happened THERE lol.
ReplyDeleteNice ending there, it's a good story.
ReplyDeleteDamn the crowd sucks though. They are SO quiet, is everyone smoking pot? The Lakers crowd is pretty laid back, but they blow up when they win the title. The best this crowd can muster is a half-hearted chant... "Heat.... uhh.. Heat"
Might as well, there's no turning face. The world isn't going to let him regardless of what he does lol
ReplyDeleteIn a season shortened by the greed of the NBA players, Miami wins the championship. Seems fitting.
ReplyDeleteAnyone from Cleveland? How's the riot going?
ReplyDeleteA- Owners are just as greedy. B- the heat big 3 took less money to play together. so there's that.
ReplyDeleteLOL!
ReplyDeleteAwwwww.....cry moar.
Heat crowds have always sucked.
ReplyDeleteDon't bother, he's been wrong about Every. Single. Thing.
ReplyDeleteHe hates Lebron because it's the cool thing, he doesn't actually know a bit about basketball, nothing more to see here that you couldn't see on your average PTI episode.
Yeah, they do have that rep, but you'd think this would at least be a wild moment. I feel like I'm watching the 1997 Rumble.
ReplyDeleteFlorida in general is fucking horrible if you're not watching
ReplyDeletea) Wrestling in Miami or,
b) College football
Miami crowds period. Might be the worst sports town in America.
ReplyDeleteLOL
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think that is?
ReplyDeleteIt's a state full of transplants. It's the same as LA, other than their dynasty team (which comes with tons of celebrities) no one else can draw. They can't even keep a football team in the second biggest market in the country.
ReplyDelete"It's about damn time." Aaaaaaand there's the next thing everyone will hate.
ReplyDeleteSee, that's annoying. Why is it that I can't just not Lebron? I can't form my own opinion on him? If I don't think he's just awesome super than I'm just hating because it's the cool thing to do. I don't like him. I didn't like him before it was cool to like him, I don't like him now. Two guys who can't win on their own decide to team up in a nice city so they can take the easily road to the championship, which leads to other players now deciding that playing with star players in nice cities is appealing so they're asking for trades...and this is all fine because if you don't like it you're just hatin on Lebron.
ReplyDeleteLOL at Chris Bosh.
ReplyDeleteStewart Scott: Chris Bosh?
Bosh: "Yo?" *looks around for Stewart Scott who is standing in front of him*
I'm going to watch first and 10 to see how bayless pulls out his hate. it'll be fascinating. then I'll throw something.
ReplyDeleteNo, what's annoying is you continuing to make retarded reasons behind your hate. THAT'S what proves you're only hating him because it's popular.
ReplyDeleteYou act like they were the first people ever to team up. Fucking JORDAN couldn't get it done alone. You act like because they went to Miami NOW people want to move to nice cities? I'm sorry, your reasoning is based on things that have happened in the league for DECADES.
You ARE just hating on Lebron because all of your reasons for hating him are things that Lebron did not start, you just CLAIM he started them because you have no *actual* reason for hating the guy.
"I hate Lebron because of HIM guys have to team up now!"
Tell that to Kobe/Shaq
Tell that to Shaq/Wade
Tell that to Duncan/Parker
Tell that to Jordan/Pippen
You're just making stuff up and it's plainly obvious.
Lol. I'm watching Boogie Nights.
ReplyDeleteBecause.
By the way -- what is your guys' favorite NBA championship playoff run?
ReplyDeleteI think for me it's the 1995 Houston underdog run. 6th seed, coming back from behind in two series, beating four 50+ win teams en route to a second title back to back, all lead by maybe the most likable of all NBA players Hakeem Olajuwon and one of the best individual performances ever against the Spurs in the WCF.
The Phoenix/Bulls 1993 series is probably a close second. The Pistons upsetting the Lakers in 2004 is a big favorite too.
Congratulations LeBron, you earned your ring and didn't act like a dick about it. Good job, and I'm not being sarcastic.
ReplyDeleteChris Bosh seems like the most likable basketball player in history.
ReplyDeleteThey're all making over $100 million. They're playing in a tax free state and there's probably some money to be made winning NBA Championships. They're going to make up for the $15 or so million they left on the table.
ReplyDeleteBayless isn't worth our time, guy might be the biggest troll ever, except he gets to do it on TV.
ReplyDeleteMan. That's a tough one.
ReplyDeleteMy heart says Mavs/Heat but that's probably because it was so recent and I <<<333 me some Jason Terry (seriously, the guy can't do shit as a starter but if you bring him off the bench two minutes into the game he plays like Ray Allen...wtf is with that shit?!?)
I'd probably have to overall go with '96 just because I was there for Game 4 of that doomed series. Everyone knew the Sonics were going to lose but we actually got to see them win one AT HOME against Jordan, that was as close as we ever got in my lifetime and in my memory it's about as big as a Title anyway lmao.
As usual the best part about any NBA Finals Game is Jimmy Kimmel.
ReplyDelete"He wears a bowtie cuz he's classy, everybody loves him cuz he looks like Lassie...Lassie's dead."
Clearly you know what I think and why more than I do, seeing as how I'm retarded and all.
ReplyDeleteThe combinations you mentioned are different than the Heat. Kobe was drafted, Shaq was a free agent. Wade was drafted, they traded for Shaq. Duncan and Parker, both drafted. Pippen was traded to the Bulls.
That's not the same as 3 established superstars deciding to form a super team years in advance.
I know what reasons you give. I only argue your shitty reasons.
ReplyDeleteNotice I put holes in them and you come up with more reasons.
Oh look! MORE arguments! Now your problem *isn't* that they teamed up (and thus have forced everyone to team up even though people have been teaming up for deacdes...)
NOW it's "they didn't team up the right way!"
Hahahahahaha.
See? You keep having to change your argument.
I'm done with you.
Right, but that's not the point, they still left the cash on the table, which makes them a poor choice to represent greed. Plus, the strike wasn't really for the benefit of the superstars. It was about shorter contract lengths and owners getting as close to a hard cap as the players would let them and mostly about owners trying to re-assert control over a league that they felt was getting away from them.
ReplyDeleteHeck, the NBA system allows a superduperstar to make less money than in baseball or football. The heat can by symptomatic of a lot of issues, I just don't see greed as one of them, except in the generic "they make millions of dollars a year" sense, which is true of all pro athletes at the highest level.
Lol.
ReplyDeleteFor Scream LESS MONEY can mean MORE MONEY, you just have to wish hard enough.
Like I said, don't bother.
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't know why the strike happened, he's just guessing and hoping, somehow, it has something to do with Lebron being EVIL.
lol
This might be the most reasonable comment out there. I should go watch a great movie instead of remaining butthurt about a pretty shitty NBA season.
ReplyDeleteFor one, tickets there are so expensive that the real fans are priced out. The other thing is that most people in Miami weren't born there, and it's a tourist town. They don't have the type of fanbase that most cities in the rust belt and the Northeast have, where cheering for your team is almost something that's passed down from generation to generation. Except for the Dolphins and Bucs (who don't draw shit if they're not at least 10-6), every team in Florida either moved there or were given expansion teams in the last 30 years. It's no big surprise that the Rays, Marlins, Panthers, Lightning, and Magic don't draw shit, because everyone that lives down there probably grew up somewhere else and is a Yankee, Giant, Sabre, Knick, Red Sox, etc... fan. And no one gives a fuck about the Jaguars. The Heat have had the one of the best teams in the NBA for the last few years, and have had to put white T-shits over the seats during most regular season games to make the crowd not look half-empty. There's a good reason that the NHL and MLB never got anywhere near Florida until about 1991, and the only reason they're there now is that Selig and Bettman are retarded.
ReplyDeleteThe Gators have good crowds but the Noles struggle to sell out their stadium, and the Hurricanes can barely get 8,000 people in an NFL Stadium (granted they play 45 minutes from the Miami campus, but still!)
ReplyDeleteI thought it would be the AJ's wife/surrogate pregnancy thing too, because that chick appeared to have a bit of a baby bump
ReplyDeleteI hate LeBron because of the comments he made last year, and because he just comes off as a dick, though the last hour or so did a lot for his image. Just my 2 cents, carry on slamming this guy with all your completely valid poits. Again, not being sarcastic.
ReplyDeleteSee! This is honesty! "I hate him cuz he's a dick" acutally *makes sense* lol.
ReplyDeleteFlorida doesn't have state income tax. Players have to pay tax on their per-game salary for road games. By playing in Florida they don't have to pay income tax for 41 games, as opposed to any other team who pays their home state as well as any road game outside of Florida. Just because their contract isn't for as much money as it could be doesn't mean they're not grossing as much or more given the tax breaks and other endorsements.
ReplyDeleteI think I might watch the new Futuarama from last night. Or just pick a random NES game from the emulator. Might get a Mario game, might get some crap made by Color Dreams or American Video Entertainment. We'll see what happens...
ReplyDeleteLESS MONEY = MORE MONEY!
ReplyDeleteWhen you wish upon a horseshit reasoning so that you can feel warm inside for calling them "greedy".
Ooooooooooh.....greedy....cuz that's not the American Way at all.
How are you? lol
I have nothing to say about Nascar at the moment. Other than that Jeff Gordon sucks and Kurt Busch is an asshole.
ReplyDeleteWell, he is. At least that's how he comes off on TV, I've never met him. For all I know he might be a really nice guy. Somehow I doubt it, though.
ReplyDeleteIs there a bad thing about 3 superstars deciding to form a team and win a title? Seems like a good idea to me. Hell, if it was anyone but LeBron involved, or if LeBron wasn't a dick, I'd be one of their biggest fans. Better than watching a team that comes up short because their GM can't find his ass with both hands. It's 2012, the days of players having loyalty to the teams that drafted them or their hometown is over.
ReplyDeleteMy argument was, and always was, this - I don't like that a group of Superstar players got together and decided that they were going to team up in a couple of years. It screwed over the teams they were playing for. And there's some question as to how hard they were playing around the end, when they knew they were on the way to Miami. That's not a GM making a trade to add another Superstar. Or adding a star player to go with a rising young player. Or developing your own players into Superstars. That's 3 star players deciding it'd be easier and more fun if they team up on one team, and somehow Miami just so happens to be positioning themselves in case this never before seen event happens to come along. Toronto could have had all the cap space in the world, if you think they were going to sign in Toronto you're out of your mind.
ReplyDeleteOnce they became free agents, they're free to leave. They don't owe it to their teams to stay - but I don't think it's fair that those teams were operating as if re-signing their players was a possibility when it wasn't. Or that they lead those teams on so their little plan wouldn't be as obvious as it was.
You're mentioning great pairings in the past that didn't come together because the players decided it'd be easier to win if they met up on the same team.
I don't like how premeditated it seems to have been. They decide to play together and Miami just so happens to set themselves up to sign not one or two but all three of the top free agents available. If it happened more organically it's not as bad, but it's not overly fair to Toronto or Cleveland that this was planned long ago and there was nothing they could do to change it. Not that I blame anyone for wanting out of Cleveland or Toronto, mind you, it's just not entirely fair that the Raptors would hold onto Bosh hoping he'd be in their future plans when he knew all along there was literally no chance if it happening.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't like the effect it seems to be having now, with everyone wanting to form their own super-team in a big market, and demanding trades because they can't wait until free agency...unless of course you let them practically run the team, then they'll consider accepting the millions of dollars you're offering them to play a game.
I think the "GOOD JOB, GOOD EFFORT!" kid pushed them over the top.
ReplyDeleteI thought he was a dick was implied when I called him an arrogant jackass. But you kindly explained to me why I'm wrong for thinking that the only player in the history of sports to think he was important enough to warrant a prime time special to announce where he was going to play, and then celebrated his championships before he won them, is an arrogant jackass. Oh, and there's that thing about how anyone who hates him must do so because their lives suck and they don't get to live the life Lebron James does.
ReplyDelete"Nice shoes, asshole!"
ReplyDeleteBosh and Steve Nash are up there, but Paul Shirley is up there, too, if you count journeymen.
ReplyDeleteThat 93 Bulls/Suns series was the best I've ever seen. Just spectacular. I agree, the '95 Houston run was a lot of fun, as well. Hakeem was on a different level that year.
ReplyDeleteAs for BEST runs ever I gotta go with the '01 Lakers. I don't think even Jordan's Bulls could have been that team 4/7.
Seriously. Why do people even watch ESPN anymore? Especially basketball fans...their top crew can't hold a candle to teh worst of NBA TV/TNT. I mean...ABC/ESPN still puts Magic on the air as a supposedly legit analyst.
ReplyDeletePeople from Seattle are thinking, "At least they still have a team."
ReplyDeleteI can't endorse 94 or 95 cause you-know-who wasn't there (I know he played in the 95 playoffs but he wasn't 100%... and I'm not a Jordan mark/apologist).
ReplyDeleteFor an entire playoffs I'd go 1993. So many all time greats in their prime. Jordan, Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem, etc. That Sonics-Suns series was incredible. Sometimes I forget just how much of a beast Barkley was.
My favourite final was 04. I had never hated a team/player more than the Lakers/Kobe (wasn't too fond of Shaq, either).
My all-time favourite series, any round, is Bulls-Pacers from 98.
You keep making arguments based on facts. Facts can be wrong. As you are consistently.
ReplyDeleteOpinions can't be.
Celebrated his championships before he won them...AGAIN...AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN...he didn't fucking demand that party. They did that party to SELL TICKETS.
Jesus. Fucking try harder or don't try at all.
And you're still wrong on every count, as I've explained.
ReplyDeleteI've shown why you are wrong about the party, why you're wrong about them "screwing their teams", why you're wrong about them setting a precedent for super teams, why you're wrong about them setting a precedent for players wanting to move, why you were wrong about every other team having an equal shot.
You fucking love being wrong. I shall let you practice your love on your own now. This is boring and you just keep repeating the same tired bullshit that's easily, demonstrably, plainly, obviously...fucking wrong.
2 reasons: it's the only network that has decent Nascar coverage, and they employ Rachael Nichols and Lindsay Czarniak. But seriously, ESPN has become a complete embarrassment, basically now dedicated to blowing Tebow and Tiger. But we really have no other option. And espn.com is still the best sports website around. But I really hope that NBC or Time Warner or someone else tries to do a full-on 24 hour sports network, I mean got to war with them like Nitro to ESPN's Raw, only with a much better outcome for Nitro in the long run this time.
ReplyDeleteSo what do you guys think... does this title get an asterisk? I guess the 2 main points are the shortened, condensed schedule (which hurt older teams like the Celtics... who still took the eventual champs to 7 but looked gassed by the end) and the Derrick Rose injury.
ReplyDeleteI vote no asterisk.
Oh, OK, I see what you mean. You gotta put a lot of the blame on Dan Gilbert and whoever owns the Raptors (Rodgers, Inc?), though. Run you're franchise properly and you wouldn't be in this position. This sort of thing doesn't happen to teams like the Spurs, Suns, Rockets, Celtics, and so on. Hell, if they had any idea what they were doing in Cleveland or Toronto they would have never had that high of a draft pick to begin with (don't even get me started on how fucking stupid the draft lottery is...), because they would have had a winning record sometime in the 10 years before Bosh and LeBron got there. I guess what I'm saying is don't blame the players, blame the system that allows owners to treat their teams and fans like shit and still make money. If I were one of those guys I'd have been planning it the moment I declared for the draft.
ReplyDeleteOnly I'm not wrong. Did someone script what he said at the party? Because he's the one who promised 7 titles and celebrates as if signing with the Heat was the major accomplishment - the titles would just easily come.
ReplyDeleteYou're argument is that they were all free agents and didn't owe their teams anything. Well if they owed them nothing, they're certainly delivered. Bosh didn't play down the stretch and Lebron gave up in the playoffs. Toronto and Cleveland had no chance to re-sign their players and didn't know it. New York and Chicago did clear cap space for Lebron, but didn't know signing Bosh and Wade was part of the deal. They played along just long enough to make it seem like this wasn't their plan all along and then suddenly they all ended up on the one team who had the foresight to prepare for the extremely unlikely event that they could sign the top 3 free agents on the market and they'd all take pay cuts to do it.
So you say super-teams have always existed. Have star players demanded to be traded as frequently as it's happening lately? You mention examples of super-teams or pairings that came together through drafting or trades. Not the same as behind the scenes meetings where three players decide to team up on a particular team years in advance. It's just a bit of a coincidence that the one team who prepared for sign all 3 was the team who had one of them already. Something tells me Cleveland wasn't told they could, or had, to sign all three of them.
The Thunder were a big disappointment. Sometime during the third quarter of game 3 they morphed from a well-oiled machine into a discombobulated mess.
ReplyDeleteHell no. Rose and the Bulls were gonna get beat in the second round buy the Heat or Celtics anyway, and even with the shortened schedule the 2 old teams (Celtics and Spurs) were 2 of the last 4. I hope the NBA (and the NHL, which REALLY NEEDS a shorter season) seriously considers shortening the season next year to about 66 games in the usual time period, not the condensed form we had this year. Not gonna happen though.
ReplyDeleteRogers owns the Raptors and every other major sports team in Toronto. They're all run the same way - make a profit, win if you can, but mainly make a profit. Which is fine with me because Toronto sports fans are obnoxious when their teams are terrible, I don't think I can handle them if they ever get good.
ReplyDeleteThe Raptors are a terribly run organization and I'm not entirely sure Bryan Colangelo knows what he's doing. He has the reputation and he sounds convinced what he's doing is going to work but it seems hopeless. Even without the Miami rumors it doesn't take a genius to know that based on past history alone nobody is staying in Toronto longer than they have to....I don't blame players for wanting to leave. In Lebron's case it's funny to hear the guy considered the best in the NBA outright say he has a better chance to win elsewhere (with 2 All Stars) rather than take on the challenge of winning where he is...and the Decision was a terrible idea. I just assumed he was staying in Cleveland when they announced that because there was no way he'd dump the Cavs on live tv...but if they don't like where they're at and want to leave, that's fine, I just think the team should be aware of that and not dicked around for two or three years because technically they can't announce their true intentions. Even teams like Chicago and New York made moves and went into the off-season thinking they could sign Lebron, not knowing that unless they were signing Bosh and Wade to it wasn't happening.
Wonder how long it will take them to get over it... no one around here has animosity towards the Clippers, though it's been about 35 years now.
ReplyDeleteSo basically they "had an affair" to cover up this girl's drug habits.
ReplyDeleteMy Mind is full of Fuck.
Yeah, I wish it made sense. Everything else on Impact has been *so good* lately, it sucks they had such a monumental bomb for a main event storyline.
ReplyDelete(I'm typing in a window the size of a postage stamp right now... fuck...)
ReplyDeleteCalling "The Decision" a terrible idea is like saying getting kicked in the balls kinda hurts. That right there is why people hate LeBron, all he had to do was say through his agent that he was leaving, and he 100% should have said something either a few weeks before or right after the trade deadline. I'm not saying LeBron isn't an asshole, I'm saying this sort of thing is the norm now, and we need to get used to it. Or they could just fix the whole league, but this off-season proved that's a long time coming.
It just seems to me no one will support them unless they make the playoffs. The Rays are a perfect example of that.
ReplyDeleteFlorida should a good portion of their teams. They can keep the Dolphins.
Buffalo or San Diego? Hopefully Seattle gets a team quicker than that.
ReplyDeleteI guess I prefer the single sports-dedicated networks to the mass appeal crap from espn. NFL and NBA TV have pretty much killed my viewing of any ESPN studio show. Although, watching a channel either produced by the league (NFL), or paid for by the league (NBA TV production is contracted out to Turner), opens up another can of worms...
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure the Rays didn't even sell out for the playoffs, though at least they have an excuse with that shithole of a "ballpark" that's on the other side of the bay they play in.
ReplyDeleteI dont remember people knowing for years...
ReplyDeleteIn hindsight it might seem like that, because they were all buddies on the Olympics and continued to be for a couple years until they ultimately joined together. Conspiracy or not, it was actually pretty surprising to many that on the day before the Decision, several news sources reported Bosh, Wade, and Lebron were gonna team up in Miami.
Earlier in that week of the Decision, Cleveland and Chicago were very strong possibilities for Bron. Of course now we know what we know now.
You can always give speeches in the locker rooms like they did in the 80's and 90's.
ReplyDeleteStern wouldve welcomed Game 6 & Game 7 I think, and the 11.0 - 12.5 ratings and $$$ that came with it.
Have you ever read The Whore of Akron?
ReplyDeleteIts written by a Cleveland sports journalist who followed Lebrons career very closely since his rookie year, but its mostly goes from the 2009 to 2011 playoffs where he choked in the playoffs and the 2010 Decision where he "sold out" to South Beach.
I'm not sure if Screamworks is from Cleveland or whats up, but the novel paints a good picture of just why Lebron haters hate Lebron.
I'm frankly a Celtics and Kings fan and, as much of a hardcore basketball fan as I am, I dont have intense feelings about Lebron one way or the other. But I can pretty much see why people hate him.
Skip Bayless and Stephen A are both idiots. They ruin the show for me.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, your advice is to read a book written by a Cleveland journalist post-Decision?
ReplyDeleteLol, I'll pass =)
Easy. 2008 Celtics.
ReplyDeleteI had several running jokes with my friends, all Lakers fans that season, my favorite of which was "11 Leon Powes could beat the Lakers in a 7-game series"
After that Game 6 blowout I think I had them thinking the Celtics had the Lakers' number forever more when they won the game by like 37 points or some shit. Then 2009 and 2010 happened. Its funny, in my circle everyone thought the Lakers would blow by the Magic in '09 and yet they were legitimately terrified of the old fart Celtics in 2010. Guess they got the last laugh... for the time being.
Of course I'm 26 and didnt experience the real Celtics-Lakers rivalries in the 80's so theres that; so yeah 2008 was the best, with the 2004 Pistons team being 2nd for my favorite runs.
2002 Kings was my favorite TEAM, unfortunately there run was tainted. Bad memories.
No asterisk. To quote Rasheed, "Both teams played hard, my man."
ReplyDeleteLol, sorry it came off that way, no not meant as advice for dealing with Screamworks, I guess I just like the book and I was never that interested in Lebron.
ReplyDeleteBut those who hate Lebron and those who like Lebron have the same thing in common to me, they wont be talked out of their position. Hell they have television programs devoted to this subject.
YES @ that Kings Team. I loved watching them play for a few years there.
ReplyDeleteI lived in Sacramento for 11 years and caught all their glory teams on the heels of being the NBA's laughingstock, so definitely near and dear.
ReplyDeleteRasheed is maybe my favorite player ever. Well maybe not as a player, but as a presence and a quote machine, he's hard to beat. Some of the stuff he said to the media was legendary and I loved his trash talk during the games, especially "BALL DON'T LIE" on missed free-throw attempts lol
ReplyDeleteHe should have been in pro-wrestling ages ago instead of Rodman.
Yeah if nothing else, the thing that disappointed me the most was that we didn't ever really get to see them at their best in this series. They played alright, but certainly like a young, shaky team in the finals for the first time.
ReplyDeleteLol, that is true. I just can't figure a book written by an elderly Cleveland sports writer (the saddest profession ever) post-Decision could possibly be unbiased.
ReplyDeleteI mean shit, the book is called "The WHORE of Akron" lol, that isn't heavy handed *at all*
You had close to the best Rasheed. We of the 2010 Celtics had washed up Rasheed where he never bothered to jog past either 3 point line and yet he'd hit clutch 3 pointers well past the point any fan would have written him off.
ReplyDeleteIf he did get the ball in the post, it was high theater. You never knew if he'd dunk/score on a legit defender like Odom or Haslem or do something completely effed up like offensive foul or cough the ball up.
"Rasheed has the ball. What the hell is gonna happen now!?!?"
If they would of just left that random bimbo out, I think we'd all be singing the same praises about Impact we were singing last week.
ReplyDeleteThe 2002 Kings.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's right I said it.
Every now and then, some new challenger has to address stuff that is blatantly wrong, until "that guy who ignores reality" overwhelms them by ignoring everything, and then they are ignored until the next one appears.
ReplyDeleteit's the ciiiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiife, and it moooooooves us allllll.
No asterisk. The level of play this year was much higher than it was for the 99 lock out and the only really bad injury for a title contender was Chicago. I guess you could maybe argue for the Clippers, with billups and some other minor stuff, but I didn't see them blazing past everyone with that roster anyhow, so no biggie.
ReplyDeleteSame with baseball. MLB TV runs circles around anything on ESPN.
ReplyDeleteESPN is practically the NFL Network anyhow.
This is comedy:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hb8f-wJ8v8&feature=player_embedded
You're an idiot... Bird had Mchale, Parish, Dennis Johnson... Magic had Kareem, Worthy.. all Hall of Fame players.
ReplyDeleteI really like the NHL network, On The Fly is one of the greatest things ever.
ReplyDeleteBuffalo. Happened before I was even born, there's really no evidence the team even existed outside of 1 or 2 bars having a jersey hanging up. Not even any banners in the arena where the Sabres play, at least as of 2 years ago.
ReplyDeleteGoing to go ahead and question your ability to read sarcasm.
ReplyDeleteHa! Sorry dude, still hungover from last night... apologies for the name calling.
ReplyDeleteDidn't realize you were responding to Scream's delusional rantings.
ReplyDeleteThe PHX/HOU series during the Rockets' back to back 'ship run were some serious playoff wars. "Choke City/Clutch city" in 94 then the Kiss of death in '95.
ReplyDeleteYou learned about the American Way from the media.
ReplyDeleteSee how easy it is to make a totally stupid douche comment?
Give it up. The dude has an ugly kid and thousands of posts. It's clear he has made it his goal to be awesome online. AND BOY IS HE SUCCEEDING.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that you keep getting into these arguments where EVERYONE ELSE is bad at making points, and it's not YOU failing to understand them.
ReplyDeleteThere's one constant in all of these situations: Hint-It's not everybody else.
You don't put holes in peoples arguments. You change the topic. You're a douche.
ReplyDelete"I'm done with you."-Classic internet troll who has lost an argument line.
I thought you were done with him. Douche.
ReplyDeleteYou say that because the media told you that was the case.
ReplyDeleteDouche.
As usual, douchebag with the ugly kid misses the point, thinking people hate him for what he did to Cleveland, and not because he's just a dickhead.
ReplyDeleteThat park is a joke. In person it looks to be the size of a slightly bigger than average parking garage.
ReplyDeleteWe get it. You desperately want to have sex with Lebron.
ReplyDeleteIt's cute, you are SO HORRIFIED of people and their irrational hatred of Lebron, yet you have an irrational hatred towards anyone who hates the guy.
You know, for a douchebag troll who says everyone blindly believes ESPN, you sure are taking stuff ESPN reports as gospel aren't you?
ReplyDeleteSomeone, I think it was Todd Helton, referred to it as being like playing on a cruise ship, and not in a good way. They fact that guys are shitting on the place in ways that don't even really make sense tells you all you need to know.
ReplyDeleteWhat's that? You can't argue the point at all?
ReplyDeleteFigures.
Hahahaha, ahhh nothing says high road like insulting one year olds.
ReplyDeleteYou are so brave. So. Brave.
Can't argue the point still? Lmao.
ReplyDeleteAhhhh...I really did get under your delicate little skin didn't I? Look at you go!
ReplyDeleteShame you don't have an argument though.
"You're kid's ugly" - Classic internet troll who never had an argument to begin with.
ReplyDeleteLook at you running around replying to EVERY POST I MAKE, hahaha.
I got you.
Still following along little fella?
ReplyDeleteBoy, that Championship HURT didn't it?
Hahahahaha. He has a ring now and there's nothing you can do about it!
Was that an argument? Your point is...that working where you want to work...ISN'T the American way?
ReplyDeleteArgue the point. Or keep calling me names. I like when you show your immaturity.
We can't all be SUPER BRAVE HEROESlike you, daring to live in a world where you can post 1,400 times on the internet in a desperate attempt to not look at your childs face.
ReplyDeleteSo.
ReplyDeleteCool.
(Posts 600 more times calling people idiots.)
So what's the new blithering reason to hate Lebron? Did the way he held the trophy offend your delicate feelings?
ReplyDeleteMy post count proves I'm better than you, it's true.
I never call people idiots. I don't resort to language. I don't have to.
ReplyDeleteYou, on the other hand, it's your only retort since you can't form an argument based on reason and facts.
Now come back at me with some other line about my kids that I couldn't possibly give less of a fuck about.
You take Lebron James being the best personally and I'm the troll? Hahaha.