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Hey Scott,
Just wonder if you've seen this and what you think.
A lot of people seem to think that Kenny's just making things up because John Cena is a big star and he isn't, but he doesn't come off like he's making anything up. It all seems to add up.
The part about him wanting Orton fired over failed drug tests would add up to, considering Cena's holier than thou attitude on the subject.
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I would tend to consider Cena more credible than Doane, but honestly I try really hard not to pay attention to the high school drama stuff anyway.
More people know who Ken Doane is now than did...ever.
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Im sure this news being announced today is just a coincidence: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_20900373/wwe-wrestler-john-cena-grants-record-300th-make
ReplyDeleteHurry up! Some no name is on Twitter talking shit! To the spin machine~!
ReplyDeleteThe more important news is that Geoff Tate is officially out of Queensryche.
ReplyDeleteDoane pretty much admits he has an axe to grind. Considering what we know about previous top guys, Cena's actions isn't any worse than anyone else who held his spot. Ken, your relationship with Mickie is over, get over it!
ReplyDeletehe miht be stale as old bread but he cuts a schedule that would rival late 80s wrestlers
ReplyDeleteA guy that never made it, and got fired, has negative things to say about the guy who did make it, and is still employed. Huh, this is a first. Everyone, in any line of work whatsoever, that has a position worth holding onto, does things all the time to make sure that they keep that spot, and to prevent someone else from claiming it. If they don’t, then someone else WILL claim it.
ReplyDeleteMan, wrestlers are generally over the age of 40 when their career ends and they try to keep themselves relevant by openly trashing other wrestlers at every opportunity. Ken Doane has already gone that route and he's only *26*!
ReplyDeleteSadly, this is pretty much a symptom of the way wrestling business is today. This guy was barely out of his teens when he was signed to developmental by WWE and was being groomed to be a future star. In the old days, he could have honed his craft and possibly learned some maturity by working in different places for a couple years, so that by the age of 26, maybe he would be ready to go to WWE. But since his initial WWE run didn't work out, the guy's now got nowhere else to go but to places who will pay him to do controversial shoot interviews.
I'll be honest, when the whole "Ken Doane said ______ about Cena" started hitting the internet, my first reaction was: "wait who's Ken Doane, was he a writer?"
ReplyDeleteI don't blame him for being pissed(I mean i'd be pissed if my "whore" girlfriend and this douche ruined my career) but it just sounds like sour grapes.
ReplyDeleteNo idea if that made any sense.
Wait...Queensryche is still around? Seriously? I haven't heard anything from them since High School when Silent Lucidity was a hit. Figured they went the way of Ugly Kid Joe, Slik Toxik and all the other one hit wonder bands.
ReplyDeleteJesus, grow the fuck up Ken or Kenn or whatever. I don't know, nor care, if Cena was sleeping with Mickie James (and unless Cena forced himself on Mickie then Doane should be pissed at both of them) and if Cena was then there were problems with Doane and Mickie's relationship beyond the cheating. As for Cena trying to get Orton fired? I wish he'd try harder.
ReplyDeleteHoly God Ugly Kid Joe...I went to their YouTube channel because I was like "Hey I remember them!"
ReplyDeleteOoof. All of their videos (like much of the 90's) looks like they tried to see how many InstaGram filters they could fit in 3 minutes.
A cover of Cats in the Cradle? Ewwwwwwwww. No wonder our parents were like "How can you listen to this shit?!"
Same. I had to look it up, apparently he's one of the Spirit Squad guys who didn't become Dolph Ziggler? I guess??
ReplyDeleteA little off-base in the music analysis here. If "Silent Lucidity" makes Queensryche a one-hit wonder, it's kind of hard to explain how the albums before AND after "Empire" (which contained "Silent Lucidity") both went platinum.
ReplyDeleteOh, and Slik Toxik would be better categorized as a no-hit wonder. I'm not sure anyone outside of Canada has even heard of them.
If Ken (or Kenn) didn't come off like such an immature twat there is at least one thing in there of substance. He's right when he talks about the top faces not selling as much as they should.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise I'd hate to come off like a "hater" but this guy sounds every bit like the asshole he claims not to be.
TPrincess, I don't think he sounds like an asshole. I think he sounds like a 26 year old guy who doesn't have media training. He has every right to view that whole story with his ex-gf and Cena as a bad memory.
ReplyDeleteThe website asked the questions. He agreed to sit and answer them. He sounds like he's fulfilling his contractual (I presume) obligation to answer the question. He also sounds like he's moved on regardless of the bitter taste in his mouth that he probably doesn't talk about much except when he's asked directly by a wrestling-oriented website.
Somewhere in there is a terrible "Santino is the real US champion" joke.
ReplyDeleteIve never been entertained by Cena but stuff like this is really feel-good and impressive. Maybe we all have in our mind what a world wrestling champion should be, be it Flair, HBK, Austin, or, more currently, a CM Punk. Doing copious charity and philanthropy works might not be a criteria when we instantly think of world wrestling champions, especially when the guy who does them has a character staler than Subway bread, but no one can deny Cena is still the right guy to build the company around and will be for the foreseeable future.
I just wouldnt rate him as a guy id ever want to see on a wrestling program
To continue, Cena is now like HHH on TV for me. It was bad before where he bored me to tears because his character is boring and he's really bad at portraying a hero. I now change the channel when he comes on. I still like watching Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, etc (even Kane, I know, guilty pleasure) and I'll happily pay attention when those characters are on screen. I just can't cheer Cena just like I can't cheer HHH. When I'm at a live show, I give the silent treatment and I flip the channel at home.
ReplyDeleteThank you. QR is a one-hit wonder only if all you expose yourself to is MTV.
ReplyDeleteThe album before Empire - Operation: Mindcrime - is considered pretty much to be on par with The Wall, Tommy, and all of the other iconic concept albums.
And if you insist on judging them by Silent Lucidity, then you still fail. Jet City Woman and Another Rainy Night (Without You) both did very well, also, as did two singles from the follow-up album Promised Land (I am I and Bridge)...all of these were top 10.
They just released a new EP.
ReplyDeleteAnd Cats in the Cradle, though a hit, pales in comparison to anything they did on their 1st EP (the one with Everything About You).
Yeah but him cutting that schedule is a detriment to the business because he sucks.
ReplyDeleteI actually find Cena WORSE than HHH. Yes, HHH buried guys left and right but I still tuned in...but Cena just makes me HATE wrestling, which I've LOVED for almost 30 years.
ReplyDeleteYes, I know that Cena caters to a younger audience and that's the way WWE wants it. Still, it makes me feel like Homer in that Flaming Moe episode:
"You just lost yourself a customer, Moe" and then he's drowned out by bar patrons. Or in this case, screaming children.
Why did the website ask him the questions?
ReplyDeleteOh right, because he took to Twitter bitching about Cena *years* after the fact for no reason at all other than...duh duh duh...he's a fucking no one trying to get heat.
The website didn't interview him in a vacuum. They interviewed him because he'll go anywhere he can to whine like a cunt that he was passed over for someone who was better.
Let's talk about faces not selling as much as they should...
ReplyDeleteWhen did this start? Bret & Shawn sold for everyone. As did Savage.
IIRC Austin & Rock sold all the time, as well. I think it would take a lot to get Austin down, but once he was down he'd be on defense for a while, and consistently sell the body part that was being worked. Rock was in the same boat, but did the superman routine. But he'd make guys look GREAT. Like that time Rhyno speared him on Raw and Rock damn near backflipped off it.
So was it Cena & Bautista? Or did someone else start this trend? I mean, I know Cena is all offense & superman comebacks now, but I do not think it was like that when he was on SD...or am I mistaken?
But as annoying as Cena & Orton are with this I think the worst offenders of faces not selling over the past few years has been DX (when they are together).
Thoughts...
That's part of the reason Doane (he was Kenny Dykstra, since people don't seem to remember that) got fired, if I remember the rumors correctly: he was acting like an immature high school douche bag about his breakup with Mickie and people didn't want to deal with him being such a punk kid. Of course, now I wonder whether "people" means "Cena, because he was fucking her". But either way, he sounds like a whine ass.
ReplyDeleteI'll always have fond memories of Kenny as the first wrestler to make me start to feel old. Although really I'm the same age as Jay Lethal and he's been wrestling for like 10 years now.
Doane has said multiple times that he has no issue with Cena. So for him to talk shit about Cena and no one else, it taints everything he says regardless of its validity.
ReplyDeleteHaha I had the same experience with Doane re: feeling old. It was the Raw where he challenged for the WWE title and they played up the possibility of him being WWE champ at 19/20. For some reason it bothered me to realize we were born in the same year.
ReplyDeleteI'm turning 26 this year, and if I could meet 20-year old me I'd punch him in the face for feeling "old".
The NHL draft is this week and features players born in 1994!!!
Nah, it's much older. There have always been babyfaces who wouldn't sell as much as they should. Watch any Road Warriors match from the mid 80s.
ReplyDeleteSpirit squad guy?
ReplyDeleteHmmmm dressing six green workers up like cheerleaders and squashing then week after week to two guys doesn't get new talent over??
ReplyDeleteI mean damn can't they at least get a Marty jannety out of that group too
I'll give Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, & the Road Warriors a pass for actually looking like super heroes.
ReplyDeleteHere's the problem: Cena's the guy you want to build a TV-PG media company around. They still have an average of three million people watching their show weekly, which is nothing to sneeze at. Would I love to see Punk wrestle Bryan in an iron man match as the main event at MITB? Absolutely. Would it do more buys than Cena wrestling who? I don't know.
ReplyDeleteIf Mickie cheated on Doane with Cena, then it's not like Doane and Mickie had a perfect relationship. I don't know their relationship and I'm not going to pretend to; but people in good relationships don't cheat. But Doane doesn't take any responsibility for that and blames Cena. Yeah, Cena might have fucked up but grow up.
ReplyDeleteI work with someone who just turned 21 today. She had never heard "Closing Time" by Semisonic! Can you even IMAGINE?
ReplyDelete"THE BUSINESSSS!!!"
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, I know that if *I* had had Mickie and then lost her, I'd never get over it either.
ReplyDeleteIn all honesty, Doane comes off like a child in the interview, especially with the amount of times he uses the word "hater".
ReplyDeleteAs to whether or not this is all true? I believe it. I mean, who would have thought Bret Hart rivaled Wilt Chamberlain when it came to the bedroom? I have no doubt believing that John Cena has a holier than thou attitude that he uses to push around lower card workers.
A lot of people seem to be blowing it off because Doane isn't important enough to have what he says taken as anything but bitterness towards Cena. But put yourself in his shoes. He's in a profession that's difficult to succeed in. He has a relationship with someone in that profession. He finds out that she's cheating on him. Not only is she cheating on him, but she's doing it with the guy who's the most successful person in your profession. So now you have to show up to work and look at the guy who's banging your girlfriend and broke up your relationship every week, and on top of that, he's the star of the company. Even if he is bitter, who could blame him? And bitching about something because you're bitter doesn't mean what you're saying isn't true.
ReplyDeleteNot that I think it's surprising, or the worst thing I've heard a wrestler do. Ric Flair goes on and on about John Cena being everything a champion should be, so I assume drinking and banging women who aren't his wife is part of that. Kind of a dick move to be doing it with a co-workers girlfriend, but that's wrestling for you.I find it interesting that there's some issue between Cena and Orton, because Orton was going on about how great Cena was and how much better than The Rock he is not that long ago. I think the "I do things the honorable and right way" thing he portrays on television isn't too far off from his real personality. He did some interview where he determined that anyone who uses steroids should be fired or thrown out of sports as if he's some type of Saint and expert on the matter. But giving people shit for not loving "the business" as much as you do and blaming them for their own failures because they're not demonstrating the love for "the business" like you do seems about right for a WWE main eventer.
Maybe Mickie's just a tramp? There's men who are going to cheat on their wife no matter how well the wife treats them because they're just that type of person. There's women who are the same. And maybe she thought banging the top guy was a good career move? I don't know the details but maybe Doane doesn't take responsibility because he didn't do anything wrong, or because banging John Cena isn't a justifiable reaction to your relationship issues.
ReplyDeleteWell said
ReplyDeleteI'm not the most educated person on this sitiuation (I read a news report on 411 but didn't read this interview), but I'm a little surprised people are slamming Doane this much.
ReplyDeleteI've been around the block enough to know that there's nothing that brings out the worst in people more than a broken relationship due to betrayel (cheating/stealing/secrets/etc). I wonder how many of the people trashing the guy as "immature" or a "whiner" would react in the same situation. Take the wrestling aspect out of it and place it in an office setting and put yourself in the guy's shoes.
From my understanding the guy was asked by a fan on Twitter about Cena and then he went off. I'm sure he's now milking the attention and trying to capitalize on it as best he can, but the initial feelings were genuine and not out of the norm.
But mark my words, if Ken Doane shows up on Raw next week I'm quitting the smark business for good...
I'm sure their ok now. 2006/2007 Orton is a whole lot different from 2012 Orton attitude wise, I'm sure that had something to do with Cena's hatred of Orton.
ReplyDeleteMaybe John Morrison should give Ken Doane a pep talk about Girlfriends sleeping with Main Eventers.
ReplyDeleteJust a related aside, quite often Shawn would sell in a way to undermine his opponent. Bret pointed out in his book that against Nash, he was careful to sell a certain way, so the crowd wouldn't start to turn on Nash, whereas Michaels was not so careful. Modern Shawn also did it against Hogan.
ReplyDeleteSuperhero selling is nothing modern, but it is passe...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HznErMk97B4
It's funny that in an era of increasingly sophisticated television, that the WWE has reverted to a bad, confused imitation of its 80s self.
"People in good relationships don't cheat." Is this supposed to be a justification for cheating? Because there are other ways for a girl to change or get out of a bad relationship besides fucking some other dude behind her boyfriend's back.
ReplyDeleteYeah that's basically what I said. I'm more referring to after they broke up and Doane got turfed, whether that was just political games from Cena that led to everyone not liking his immature attitude. Because, really, if an immature attitude was all it took to get someone fired, we wouldn't have suffered through a decade of Orton.
ReplyDeleteI think The Fuj has the right timeline for the Cena/Mickie affair. It all adds up.
No, I'm not justifying cheating. I'm just saying that it's not cut and dried. It clearly wasn't rainbows and lollipops. I'm not condoning cheating, just saying it doesn't happen in a vacuum.
ReplyDeleteI don't go in for slut-shaming, but I think there are different kinds of cheating. There are people who are in a crappy relationship and meet the person they're supposed to be with, there's people who just create chaos, and others. I'm not defending Cena or Mickie, but I don't think Doane was 100% free from sin.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing that refers to WM11 when the crowd turned on Nash in favor of Michaels.
ReplyDeleteMost people don't wait 3 years to go on a temper tantrum.
ReplyDeleteI love Ugly Kid Joe. Madman, Goddamn Devil, Busy Bee, etc are all excellent songs from America's Least Wanted.
ReplyDeleteSince this is one of those threads where we debate what John Cena is really like, I recommend everyone check out this weeks Art of Wrestling podcast. Bc it's the 100th ep CM Punk hosts & interviews Colt & they talk about Cena. Basically it sounds like he's a bit of a hardass to guys just starting out, but really b/c he cares so much about everything WWE. But both put Cena over as someone who's constantly looking out for the younger talents saying he did a lot for Ryder, got Colt that dark match against Wade Barrett last year, and recently has been helping Trent Barretta out. Punk really stressed that Cena helps out younger talents, and Colt noted that Cena's a bit Matt Classic fan. So to tie-in with this...Kenny is full of shit.
ReplyDeleteHow long before the not-smart internet marks figure out that Kenny is just another carny who is trying to work them?
ReplyDeleteIt depends on how you take it. Maybe Cena does care a lot and wants guys to work as hard as he does, and care as much as he does, so he pushes them to do it. His intentions might be good but if you're not somebody who wants John Cena forcing you to do things or trying to "toughen you up" it could come off as him being an asshole, or at least getting on your nerves if you show up to work every week and have this guy pushing you when you just want to do your job and go home.
ReplyDeleteHe said they told him to watch what he says and they'd probably bring him back down the line. I recall a couple of guys who were released/brought back saying they were told to not bad mouth the company or go to TNA and they'd probably get another shot. By now he gets they're not going to bring him back so he doesn't have to watch what he says anymore. Not everyone's Matt Hardy running to the internet seconds after every bad thing in his life happens.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what you're saying. But that is WAAAAAY different than the stuff Kenny was saying, painting a picture of a John Cena who tried to get Orton fired, or took liberties with Carlito in a match. Does Cena sound like an over-achiever, yes. And yeah, people like that can be very annoying. But not a selfish, self serving, thug.
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Screamworks09 wrote, in response to The_Bo:
It depends on how you take it. Maybe Cena does care a lot and wants guys to work as hard as he does, and care as much as he does, so he pushes them to do it. His intentions might be good but if you're not somebody who wants John Cena forcing you to do things or trying to "toughen you up" it could come off as him being an asshole, or at least getting on your nerves if you show up to work every week and have this guy pushing you when you just want to do your job and go home. Link to comment
Yeah, that's the one. I've never seen that match, so I wasn't sure if it was that one.
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