Who doesn't love a good list? With Christmas rapidly approaching I contacted Scott to see if he'd be interested in doing a Top Matches style article with a couple fellow BoD'ers. At first he was opposed, but later that night the Ghosts of BoD showed up, and he quickly changed his mind. Especially when he saw that the Ghost of BoD Future offered up a vision of the wife leaving and Scott ending up sharing a studio apartment with The Fuj.
There was no set number for people to list, so we came up with whatever number we wanted.
Thomas Hall -
To
begin with, this is going to be a WWE heavy list. I only watch WWE
and TNA and there's a lot more WWE out there than TNA, so there's a
bigger selection of matches for WWE to pick from. Also I've always
been a WWF/E guy and it's a natural bias for me. Also this is a
combination of my favorites and what I found to be the best matches
of the year, so your stances on them may widely vary. Let's get to
it.
10.
Austin Aries vs. Bobby Roode – Destination X
This
was a match where the build to the match worked better than the
overall match, even though the match itself was quite good. The
story behind the match was Aries cashing in the X Title to get a
guaranteed world title match here. This is where things got
interesting, as you had Aries as the unbeatable X Division Champion
facing the longest reigning world champion in company history. The
idea was simple: take two guys who are perceived as unbeatable and
put them in a match. The fact that the match was great helped a lot
too.
9.
Big Show vs. Sheamus – Hell in a Cell
This
makes the list for the simple reason of how shocking it was. By
shocking, I mean people were expecting a horrible match but we got a
great showdown instead. Sheamus playing the giant killer worked very
well for him as he's strong enough to be able to move Show around,
but at the same time he's small enough to make Show's offense look
good. This turned into the heavyweight slugfest, as in a match where
both guys use their biggest power moves possible and the last man
standing wins. Those can get very fun in a hurry, and this got
excellent by the ending.
8.
John Cena vs. The Rock – Wrestlemania 28
This
isn't on here for the match, but rather the buildup. Cena vs. Rock
was one of the only matches ever where I knew it would be good, but
no matter how good it was I absolutely had to see it. I don't recall
a match ever before where that happened other than maybe Rock vs.
Austin II. The match itself is very good but I wouldn't call it
great. Cena losing is still a questionable move, but it's not the
worst decision of all time. On top of that, a match that draws a
million PPV buys has to be doing something right.
7.
CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan – Over the Limit
The
idea here is simple: take two guys that can work almost any style and
give them 25 minutes. The match was good and the fans reacted to it.
I don't have much else here because I actually don't remember much
of the match, but the ratings I have for it seem to say I really
liked it, so here's a spot for it.
6.
Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus – Extreme Rules
This
was another war, with Sheamus' arm being such a factor that you
couldn't tell if he was going to survive or not. This wasn't really
a rematch but rather the first match between them, as the first match
is the infamous 18 seconds match. It was 2/3 falls because that's
EXTREME of course. These two beat the tar out of each other and it
turned into an incredibly entertaining match. This match was also a
part of the eventual Daniel Bryan anger management story, as he
snapped in the first fall and kicked Sheamus long enough for a DQ. I
like Sheamus a lot and this match was a good example of why.
5.
James Storm vs. Bobby Roode – Lockdown
This
was a bloodbath and seemingly the perfect blowoff for this feud.
Naturally since this is TNA the feud continued over the summer and
finally ended at Bound For Glory, but that's another story. The
majority of the match was an excellent brawl with both guys bleeding
like crazy. Storm kept beating on Roode until he couldn't take
anymore, but the superkick knocked Roode out of the cage to keep the
title on him. The problem of the match at the end of the day was
there was no reason for Roode to keep the title here other than to
extend the feud. If this was the blowoff, it likely would have
cracked the top three.
4.
Shield vs. HELL NO/Ryback – Tables Ladders and Chairs (TLC Match)
That's
likely high for this match but it blew my mind at TLC. This was the
Shield's debut match and to say they delivered is the understatement
of the year. It was a 25 minute war between six guys that looked
like they wanted to maim each other. There were some huge spots,
with the biggest one being Rollins going off the huge ladder and into
a pile of tables, somehow without breaking his neck.
On
top of that, the psychology was excellent here. The idea behind the
match was Shield pounding down one guy at a time, giving them a 3-2
advantage at any given time. This was played up for the entirety of
the match and it worked very well throughout. The match was all
about a (non) blood feud and it came off feeling like a war rather
than a match. On top of that, the idea of it being pinfall or
submission made things even better. I'm surprised I rated this so
high actually.
3.
Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk – Wrestlemania 28
If
this wasn't on this card, it would have been the best match of the
night by far. This was built upon the Punk is Drunk story with
Jericho pushing the idea that Punk is an addict no matter how
straightedge he is. This set Punk off, setting up a war here. Much
like Wrestlemania 25 though, they decided that if the champion got
disqualified, he would lose the title. In other words, we need a 22
minute wrestling match from Chris Jericho and CM Punk.
What
followed was a classic, with both guys showing some insane psychology
and the finish coming from Punk hooking the Anaconda Vice for the
second time. Earlier in the match, Jericho had kneed Punk in the
head to escape the hold, so to end the match, Punk leaned his head
forward to prevent the knees. I'm a huge fan of people learning
during the match and adapting to it later to win. Excellent match
here.
T-1.
Undertaker vs. HHH – Wrestlemania 28 (Hell in a Cell)
T-1.
Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena – Extreme Rules (Extreme Rules)
I
tried and tried but I can't decide between the two of these. They're
different kinds of matches but they both were home runs in what they
were going for. In wrestling, there is more than kind of great story
and great match to end it. These two matches were prime examples of
two very different kinds of stories and we'll look at them a bit
here. We'll start with the battle of the legends in the cage.
To
begin with, when I refer to the first HHH vs. Undertaker match, I
mean the one that happened in 2011, not the one from eleven years
ago.
This
match might have the longest buildup for a match in the modern era.
Think about it. This match was legitimately built up for over three
years. The Shawn matches were more or less forerunners to this
match, as was the match at last year's Wrestlemania. It helped that
all three of the previous matches ranged anywhere from good to
excellent. Every part of the final match was great, starting with
the buildup.
The
stipulation for the match was set up on an episode of Raw after HHH
and Undertaker had spent a few weeks glaring at each other and
cutting overly dramatic promos. At the end of the day though, a
stipulation was promised. My guess was that it was going to Streak
vs. career again, but in something that hasn't happened in years, HHH
offered a Hell in a Cell match at a point in the year other than the
HIAC PPV.
This
showed what is lacking from the HIAC PPV. As opposed to the PPV,
this match felt natural and a logical progression and ending to the
feud between Undertaker and HHH. On top of that, having the match
come out of nowhere rather than being the inevitable conclusion makes
the match feel bigger. The match fit the feud rather than the feud
being made to fit the match, which you can't get at the PPV anymore.
Now
let's get to the actual match. With Shawn as the referee, the
question became could the Streak actually end. The problem with
Undertaker matches at Wrestlemania is making people believe the
Streak is in jeopardy. The second Shawn match and the first HHH
match couldn't get over this issue: at no point did I ever feel that
the Streak was in jeopardy. The matches were good, but they didn't
hit that higher level. On the other hand, the first Shawn match and
the second HHH match had me freaking out over the near falls. That's
not something that often happens, but when it does, things get
awesome.
The
match itself was an all out war with a ton of drama the whole way
through. Between HHH massacring Undertaker with a chair and Shawn
nearly stopping it to the DX finisher of a superkick into a Pedigree
only getting two to Undertaker not being able to finish HHH despite
using finisher after finisher. After finally finishing him with a
tombstone, we got perhaps the image of the year with the three
legends embracing. I'm not sure what era this ended, but it was a
great way to end that era.
Now
let's move on to the next month and the other match of the year. The
night after Wrestlemania, Brock Lesnar returned and laid out John
Cena with an F5. They brawled a few times over the next few weeks
until we got to their Extreme Rules match, appropriately enough at
Extreme Rules. The bell rang and the war was on.
This
match was a war from the bell and was the most physical match I've
seen in years. John Cena took one of the worst beatings I can ever
remember but he stayed in the match somehow. This match was all
about violence and it worked amazingly well. It was more of a fight
than a match, which is something we haven't seen in the company in
years. These two beat each other up and the place was losing their
minds over it.
On
top of that, and I know this isn't the most popular opinion, but this
match was a testament to John Cena, as was the match the previous
month's battle with Rock. Cena has reached the point where no one on
the regular roster can give him a legitimate challenge, so they had
to bring in one of the biggest stars of all time and the former UFC
World Heavyweight Champion. That says a lot about where Cena is on
the all time greatness scale.
Overall,
2012 had some great matches, but the problem was getting between
those matches. The TV shows are beyond watered down at this point as
there's too much TV going on. The good thing is that the PPV matches
can be quite good, but the TV continues to get worse. Between the AJ
saga and Aces and 8's and Del Rio vs. Sheamus, these stories just go
on too long. Still though, some matches were excellent and are well
worth checking out again.
Caliber Winfield -
Much like Tom, I have a WWE heavy list, because I'm mainly a WWE guy. I'm a big pro-wrestling fan, but it doesn't consume most of my day. I watched most of the big matches from TNA this year, and while there were a ton of great ones, they just couldn't top the stuff in my top 5.
5. Bobby Roode vs James Storm
– Street Fight – Bound For Glory, 2012
Hey, did you know James Storm is a redneck?! Just in case you didn't know. It would have made more sense for King Mo to be the enforcer in the Aces & Eights match. I mean, what's he gonna enforce here? The lighting and camera guys? Kudos to Storm's blade job, one of the goriest I've ever seen, and something that's absolute perfect in a match of this magnitude. Later, Roode sells the JS' version of the Codebreaker like The Rock sold the Stunner. Near the end, Roode breaks out the guaranteed pop, the thumbtacks.. They were over used for a while there, but now they're rarely seen and a perfect addition to a match such as this. The way Roode collapsed after getting hit with the beer bottle was fantastic, and made all the greater when Storm sat him up, only to send him crashing back into the tacks with the Last Call. This was a great brawl that was made all that more special by the fact we just don't see these types of matches that often anymore. It is a shame that this wasn't for the title, and in the main event, as it should have been.
Hey, did you know James Storm is a redneck?! Just in case you didn't know. It would have made more sense for King Mo to be the enforcer in the Aces & Eights match. I mean, what's he gonna enforce here? The lighting and camera guys? Kudos to Storm's blade job, one of the goriest I've ever seen, and something that's absolute perfect in a match of this magnitude. Later, Roode sells the JS' version of the Codebreaker like The Rock sold the Stunner. Near the end, Roode breaks out the guaranteed pop, the thumbtacks.. They were over used for a while there, but now they're rarely seen and a perfect addition to a match such as this. The way Roode collapsed after getting hit with the beer bottle was fantastic, and made all the greater when Storm sat him up, only to send him crashing back into the tacks with the Last Call. This was a great brawl that was made all that more special by the fact we just don't see these types of matches that often anymore. It is a shame that this wasn't for the title, and in the main event, as it should have been.
Storm grabs the pin after
Last Call at 17:35 | ****3/4
4. Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus –
2/3 Falls for the World Heavyweight Championship – Extreme Rules
Sheamus has finally shown the rest of us what Triple
H has seen in him. He went out there and hung with the best technical
wrestler today, in one hell of an exciting match. They started off
with the traditional style of wrestling, trading locks & holds
back and forth. Once they elevated past that, they beat the hell out
of each other to try and score the first & crucial win. It was
great to see Bryan get so viscous, drawing out the DQ for refusing to
quit kicking Sheamus’ shoulder, and then following it up by
slapping him in the Yes-Lock until the fella passed out. I was pissed
at the WM match up, but in hindsight, it wasn’t a bad move. As it
gave a real reason for having 2 out of 3 falls, Sheamus a chance to
prove he’s no fluke champion, and showed that Bryan deserves to be
a main event star. One hell of a match, with a nice, clean finish.
Best technical match of the year.
Daniel eats a Brogue Kick and a pin at 23:01 | ****3/4
3. CM Punk [C] vs John Cena -
WWE Championship - Night of Champions
It should come as no
surprise what a great match this is. The last two matches between
these two, Punk & Cena were evenly matched, however, this time
around, the last year's experience has put Punk on a different level.
He dominates Cena for the first half of the match, and stops short
his come back at every corner,
countering the 5 Knuckle Shuffle twice. One of which is a sweet
counter into the Vice, as he looks right into Cena's face and screams "I'M BEST
IN THE WORLD!". It's also fantastic to see Heyman on the
outside, at times beaming like a proud father, and at others worrying like a wife. In
this match, I truly see Punk as best in the World. Cena can't put him
down, and Punk has an answer for him at every turn. An awesome spot where Punk
hits a Rock Bottom, trying just about everything to wipe Cena out.
Both men are dead, absolutely dead, and I'm a bit upset that I know who wins,
because this would have been incredible to see live. Honestly, this
match deserves the full monty, because it was nothing but absolute fire the entire bout.
Without a doubt their best match to date. I'd love to go full monty,
but I can't with that ending. In any other year, this would have been
on everyone's list, but 2012 had a large list of not only MOTYC, but
matches that could contend to be the best.
Both CM Punk & John
Cena's shoulders are down for the count of 3 at 26:50 | ****3/4
2. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar
– Extreme Rules Match - Extreme Rules
Brock is such a fucking
bad-ass. That's the only way I can even begin to describe him; a
fucking bad-ass. While re-watching matches for this list, the video before this match got me amped to see it,
despite the fact I'd already seen it twice. The elbows he unleashes
on Cena in the beginning are unbelievable, and easily the most vicious start to a match ever. Later, Lil
Naitch earns credit for taking the sickest ref bump I've ever seen; a full force
elbow from Lesnar, and then Lesnar earns more than he already had for picking the ref up
with one hand, like so much luggage. This is one of those matches
that will be talked about for as long as pro-wrestling is around, and
beyond. They had a chance to tell a great story with Cena, and of
course they just went with the same ol' come the end, but until then,
a masterpiece.
Cena pins Brock after an
FU on the steel steps at 17:52 | ****3/4
1. Chris Jericho vs CM Punk
[C] – Street Fight for the WWE Title - Extreme Rules
Yes. Hell yes. This is exactly why I was so excited
for Jericho to return, because I knew who ever he’d get put with,
I’d be guaranteed at least one classic. After Sheamus & Bryan
put on one of the best technical matches we’d seen in years, Punk &
Jericho come out to deliver a match that’s the exact opposite, and
even BETTER. It’s not often that matches have me sitting &
cheering, and getting completely absorbed into what’s on the
screen, but they did just that. I knew what the finish was, and I was
STILL marking out at the near falls. This was absolutely brutal, and
a war not seen since Jericho took on Shawn in the Unsanctioned Match.
They played this so well, with Jericho keeping up his taunts, and
Punk losing it on several occasions. I absolutely loved this, with the match reaching 5 stars before Punk even put Jericho through the announce table. Not
only is it my pick for MOTY, but it's my 2nd favorite
match of all time. Punk hits the GTS for the pin at 25:15 | *****
Scott Keith -
Ho ho ho, Merry Everyone!
I generally hate top 5 lists, but there
was a lot of good wrestling in 2012, so here’s the definitive guide
to what I thought was awesome for the year. This is not a
comprehensive numerically accurate summation of the BEST matches
technically, it’s the ones where I LIKED them the most and felt the
most excited about wrestling in the larger sense after watching them.
You’re welcome.
5) James Storm v. Robert Roode,
Bound for Glory.
This match was so fun that I actually
posted in the live thread about it. The flaw with the match was the
booking, unfortunately, as it was set up to be the giant blowoff in a
feud for the World title, but it wasn’t for the World title. And
then Roode got his win back a few weeks later anyway and cost poor
James Storm yet another shot at the title. However, as a
demonstration of the “less is more” philosophy when it comes to
blood use, this was aces. We rarely see blood on the national stage
these days, so when Storm goes out there and bleeds like Ric Flair on
an aspirin bender it has MEANING. The very definition of a Memphis
brawl, with perhaps the perfect pro wrestling finish (Storm knocks
him out with a beer bottle as retribution for losing the World title
a year previous, then finishes with the superkick), this one made me
giddy again, just for one night. (****1/2)
4) The Shield v. Kane/Daniel
Bryan/Ryback, TLC
Another goofy brawl, although this one
had more in common with the cartoonish 90s WWF and ECW brawls that
were so much fun in small doses. This one was great because it
introduced new players into the main event scene and featured the
smartest booking of heels I’ve seen since the Four Horsemen. The
story of the match was that the Shield would constantly manipulate
the numbers game to keep it 2-on-1 at all times, by incapacitating
one member of the babyface team and then double-teaming one member
while the third Shield member tied up another babyface. It was like
a constant face-in-peril scenario, leading to an epic Ryback comeback
that was the perfect use for him. Fast-paced and never boring, which
is my favorite kind of brawl. (****3/4)
3) Minoru Suzuki v. Hiroshi
Tanahashi, NJPW King of Pro Wrestling
I had heard endless praise for this
one, and even with the impossible buildup, it was still tremendous.
Suzuki is the grizzled grumpy bastard and Tanahashi is the ROCK STAR
IWGP champion and it was an amazing chemistry there, with some
sportsmanlike conduct to start before Tanahashi played air guitar on
him and suddenly it’s ON. Some amazingly creative working of the
arm from Suzuki that never feels dull, and Tanahashi just gets his
ass kicked and makes a series of short comebacks by constantly taking
out the leg, before the one big comeback to finish. 30 minutes flies
by and I was oohing and aahing along with the Japanese crowd because
the facials are so good you don’t even need to understand the
language. (*****)
2) Undertaker v. HHH, Wrestlemania
28
If this was the last match for
Undertaker (which it’s likely not, but you never know) it was a
hell of a way to go. Even with the Hell in a Cell concept diluted by
the yearly PPV, two aging stars showed that they still knew how to
tell a story and beat the hell out of each other. Although
Undertaker’s new haircut and the logistics of hanging a cell in an
open air stadium threatened to overshadow the match in the days
leading up to it, all was forgotten once HHH tried and failed yet
again to end the streak, even with conflicted special ref Shawn
Michaels at least temporarily on his side. Even in a match where
everyone knew what the result would be going in, the drama that
unfolded still kept me on the edge of my seat, especially when D-X
reunited for the superkick-pedigree spot that ALMOST convinced the
audience that maybe this time, the streak would end. Once again, it
shows that the old tricks and blood, used in moderation, can bring a
good match into a legendary match. (*****)
1) John Cena v. Brock Lesnar,
Extreme Rules
But nothing all year was going to touch
this one. When Brock Lesnar returned, people knew he was
“representing” UFC fighting, but no one suspected how much of it
he would bring into the match with Cena. Whereas almost all of the
WWE main events of the past decade or so were largely interchangeable
with a few exceptions, this was DIFFERENT. It didn’t feel like any
other pro wrestling match I had ever seen, it felt like some sort of
shoot fight gone horribly wrong, with Lesnar repeatedly potatoing
Cena and busting him up like he was a punching bag. And even Cena's
typical smarmy babyface comeback suddenly became a fresh and new
thing, as for once he was the sympathetic underdog fighting back
against all odds with legitimate crowd support behind him. And then
he won, and we all realized that it was just the same old stuff over
again. But up until that moment, this was the most hellacious fight
that I had ever seen and by far the most fun I had watching a pro
wrestling match in 2012. This, my friends, was the Match of the
Year. (****3/4)
Maybe i'm missing something Scott, but you have #2 and #3 rated as ***** but your match of the year is ****3/4.
ReplyDeleteCue complaints about how a ****3/4 match can beat two ***** ones...
ReplyDeleteWow, ALREADY too late.
ReplyDeleteBrock cena is bar none moty imho
ReplyDelete"Ho ho ho, Merry Everyone! "
ReplyDeleteMerry Fishmas!
I think the Punk/Bryan match from OTL wins by a longshot. So many insane holds and counters in that match. And it never slowed down - the 25 minutes just blows by.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen Roode vs. Storm yet. I was actually really into the feud and I bought Lockdown(the only TNA show I've ever bought) because I was so excited for the match. Loved their cage match but the finish pissed me off. Need to see their street fight.
ReplyDeleteMy top 5 would be:
5. Punk vs. Cena
4. Punk vs. Bryan OTL
3. Cena vs. Lesnar
2. The Shield vs. Hell No and Ryback
1. Undertaker vs. Triple H
Very WWE centric list I know. I didn't see a lot of TNA shows in the last half of the year, although Roode vs. Aries and Kaz and Daniels vs. Angle and AJ are close to making it.
5. Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan Extereme Rules
ReplyDelete4. AJ Styles/Kurt Angle vs Bad Influence Slammaversary
3. CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan Over the Limit
2. Ryback/Team Hell No vs The Shield TLC
1. John Cena vs Brock Lesnar Extreme Rules
No mention of the Aksana/Kaitlyn Headlock match from 12/14 Smackdown?
ReplyDeleteCrazy idea, but should we all vote? Everyone ranks their top 5 with first place getting 5 points, second place getting 4 points, etc... and then all the points are added up to get a definitive BoD top 5?
ReplyDeleteMy vote would go towards any match that had AJ at ringside, because rubbing one out to her is the most fun I could ask for.
ReplyDelete(My vote would be Taker/HHH. The Superkick-to-Pedigree was one of the most instantaneous holy shit spots I've ever seen in terms of dramatic stuff)
I think a couple of ya missed his explanation of his choices. Most technically sound does NOT always equal the most enjoyable.
ReplyDeletei knew someone would sneak in some indy crap.
ReplyDeletedingx3
ReplyDeletewe have a winner
Top matches of 2012
ReplyDeleteThomas Hall
Rock/Cena
AND I QUOTE...
"This isn't on here for the match, but rather the buildup. "
I don't think the list was diva inclusive otherwise it would have been a but unfair on poor Punk
ReplyDeleteScott Keith sharing a studio Apt with me is like a sitcom waiting to happen.
ReplyDelete"The SmarK and the Pimp."
"The Fuj and I"
"Fuj's Company"
"Fuji Vice"
"Black guy and white guy."
1. Shield vs Team Hell No and Ryback
ReplyDelete2. CM Punk vs Chris Jericho
3. Undertaker vs Triple H
4. CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan
5. Brock Lesnar vs John Cena
Brock v Cena was fucking amazing, it's something that will stand out for years to come. It was brutal, it was different and it actually made me care about Cena, if not for a few minutes. And then he won. The guy who has gone away going back and destroying John Cena would built some real sympathy for him, he would have lost to two guys who hadn't appeared in the ring regularly since WMXX. They could've played up how he was tired and how all the booing, as well as his relentless schedule had worn him out. And then he gets his rematch at Summerslam and perhaps an actual face reaction.
ReplyDeleteAh well, least the match was brilliant.
1. Brock/Cena at ER
ReplyDelete2. Shield/HellNo and Ryback at TLC
3. Sheamus/Bryan at ER
4. Roode/Aries at Dest. X
5A. Roode/Storm at BFG.
5B. Punk/Bryan at OTL
Best TV Match: Cesaro/Sheamus from a few weeks ago on Raw.
Completely agree. Best moty
ReplyDeleteScott I can't believe you never watched db vs punk from otl!!!!! :(
ReplyDeleteAnd then you gotta have Jesse Baker in the Mr. Furley role.
ReplyDelete*Scott walks out to his car to go to work. Notices Jesse sleeping behind his back wheels"
Scott: Jesse...?
Jesse: *wakes up*..oh, hey, Scott. I knew I'd find you here. Look, we'll forget the rent this month, just listen to me...what if Montreal WAS a work?! If you'll notice here on this flow-chart I've created, I think I can prove that The Rock was behind the whole thing...
Fuj: Bling bling! That is wack!
I actually preferred their hardcore match. It was pretty brutal. If I would have made a Top 10, both of their matches would have made it. Hell, so would the triple threat.
ReplyDeleteSir, will you please leave the boner/masturbation jokes to the professionals.
ReplyDelete1. Punk v Bryan; 5 star mat classic and great finish
ReplyDelete2. Cena v lesnar
3. Shield v ryback/hell no
4. Storm v roode @ lockdown
5. Taker v huntor
6. Sheamus v db
Also imo elgin v richards from wm weekend is in the top 10 and I thought neither punk v jericho match hit 4 stars
I'd also like to include my favorite moment from 2012.
ReplyDeleteTriple H taping out to Brock Lesnar, then sitting around wanting the crowd to shower him with "It's OK! You're still our man!" kinda praise, and getting "You tapped out! You tapped out!". Brilliant stuff. If only it had taken place in Philly...
Punk/Jericho is probably the most disappointing feud of the year. They had good matches and it was a decent feud but I think every one was expected way more from them. The whole thing was the definition of meh.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it really goes to show how subjective wrestling is. You thought neither hit 5 stars, wheres I thought one of them was the 2nd greatest match I've ever seen.
ReplyDeleteThe feud may have been meh when played out week after week, but when I saw the hype videos before the matches, the feud looked great.
I loved that as well.
ReplyDeleteI cant wait for Adam Curry/Kyle Warne and the rest of "Church of the Mothers Basement" to fill this thread with ROH and random Jap wrestling that 42 people saw live and 6 people saw on iPPV.
ReplyDeleteOf the 6 people who watched the iPPV, 4 of them had their stream cut out.
ReplyDeleteThe last 10 minutes of the WM match was really good but it was a 20 plus minute match, and I felt like the ER one was good but not great
ReplyDeleteYeah it just fell short for me, like you said it wasn't bad but definitely didn't meet expectations inside or outside the ring
ReplyDeleteMan, my semi-exile has really taken its toll. I'm not invited to do the Top 5 list and I don't even come up first in the indie geek conversation.
ReplyDeleteHow about some predictions for 2013? I'll start with saying Cesaro, Sandow, Rhodes, and The Shield all make "The Leap" and become legit main eventers. And Ziggler turns face after WM and breaks out as WWE's biggest babyface with the feud and match of the year with CM Punk.
ReplyDeleteI would say Cena Vs Brock is MOTY but you can't ignore that finish
ReplyDeleteIt's not just that the finish screwed up the wet dream fantasy booking scenarios that we'd all planned out, it was also the wrong finish for the story they were telling.
Part of the reason the first 15 minutes of that match were so jaw dropping were that Lesnar bought a level of offence none of us were quite expecting, let alone John Cena.
Cena was trying his usual shit and getting nothing for it. It was incredible to see the WWE poster boy taken apart.
To have Cena win with a bit of luck & a hokey Sports Entertainment finish in the AA on the steps, not only pisses away the money in the rematch but actively undermines the rest of the match's narrative.
This isn't like Mind Games where the MOTY is saddled with a non-finish, this was the wrong finish and it keeps it off the top spot.
For number one I give it to Sheamus Vs Daniel Bryan at ER. Just perfect booking and wrestling and even uses the 18 second WM match to its advantage. HHH Vs Taker is a very close second
I didn't mind the finish as much asthat bizaare promo cena cut after the match. It really hurt that show
ReplyDeleteThe match was great too. The buildup made the match better is what I was getting at. I didn't care if it was great or terrible. I just had to see it which is supposed to be the point of all matches no?
ReplyDeleteTrue.
ReplyDeleteFor me that was the cherry on top of a big shit-finish-sundae
Yall forgot about Omega/Ibushi, thats my match of the past decade.
ReplyDeleteJust because no one's seen it doesn't mean it's not great. There can be room for both the WWE/TNA stuff and the indie/Japan stuff.
ReplyDeleteI was there live and it was glorious!
ReplyDeleteI like wrestling, so I watch the indys/japan. They can keep their "Sports" "Entertainment".
ReplyDeleteThat's my fault. I put the deal together, and I was gonna ask you, but you said you've been so busy else where that you haven't been able to write and such. My apologies.
ReplyDeleteOh man, I bet that was awesome. I would have screamed 'You tapped out' until I lost my voice.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny, because he just kept sticking around, and sticking around until they finally gave him the blowjob he was so desperately begging for.
Fucking LOVED that.
ReplyDeleteAnd I say that as a Trips fan - I think he does get a bit too much hate, but he obviously has a giant ego and wants to be everybody's favorite everything ever.
I got no mention at all either. Then again, reviewing stuff from 1984 and the first year of will not keep you in this discussion.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure it quite makes my top five of the year, but I'll throw a shoutout to Styles/Daniels in the Last Man Standing match at Destination X. We've literally seen these guys fight over 100 times on TNA programming alone, but they managed to top themselves yet again with this great match, including the insane Styles Clash table spot to end it.
ReplyDeleteThat is probably the spot of the year.
ReplyDeleteWell here we go
ReplyDeleteTOP 5 Matches
5.El Generico vs Kevin Steen-LADDER WAR 4
4. Austin Aries vs Bobby Roode from Destination X
3. Sheamus vs Daniel Bryan from Extreme rules
2. Punk vs Bryan from Over the Limit
1.Kevin Steen vs Micheal Elgin from GBH XI
YES! why can't we just enjoy and celebrate great wrestling instead of this ridiculous promotion bashing/warfare
ReplyDeleteSO. FUCKING. AWESOME
ReplyDeleteThe Build up was terrible...
ReplyDeleteIt's alright Murphy, We've been holding down the fort if you ever feel like coming back in
ReplyDeleteBrian, that again is entirely my fault. I started the whole project, and even had you as the first three. Then Scott said to include Thomas Hall. On top of a few other articles, and Christmas shit, and the fact I'm moving, it just slipped my mind. But I really did want to include you and everyone else in this, but I just didn't get around to it.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, if you want to send me your Top 5, at faucetofslfame@hotmail.com, I'll edit the post and put yours in there.
eh, way to dangerous for way to little visual amazement IMO for it to be spot of the year
ReplyDeleteThe finish fucks over Cena vs Lesnar for me
ReplyDelete5. Styles/Daniels Destination X
ReplyDelete4. Steen/Elgin Glory By Honor
3. Cena/Brock
2. Super Smash Bros/Future Shock/Young Bucks ladder match Threemendous III
1. Bryan/Sheamus 2 outta 3 falls.
Honorable mentions for Cena/Rock, Shield match from TLC and Aries/Roode from Destination X
That was my MOTY until that crazy 6-man at TLC.
ReplyDeleteI'm assuming those guys are big Taylor Swift and Justin Beiber fans, too. I mean they sell the most cd's and play to the biggest crowds, so they must be the best, right?
ReplyDeleteActually, I don't even like Japanese wrestling. Maybe some junior stuff, but generally speaking I hate it.
ReplyDelete5. WGTT vs. Titus & Whitmer, Final Battle
4. Austin Aries vs. Booby Roooooooooooo, Destination X
3. CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan, MITB.
2. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels, Destination X
1. The Shield vs. Ryback/Hell No, TLC
Only 1 ROH match, and depending on my mood I might take Punk/Jericho from WM over that.
And Honey Boo Boo is great TV, but it's not the argument that WWE is superior that bugs me, if that's his opinion that's cool-but the dismissal of anything Indy as garbage is such a bullshit argument
ReplyDeleteYeah, that was pretty sweet.
ReplyDeletereally on number 5, I'll take Cole vs O'Reilly from BitW before that
ReplyDeleteGiven the state of WWE PPV buyrates these days I'd say any match not on Raw, Smackdown, or maybe Mania hasn't been seen by nearly enough people to be worthy of consideration. 120,000 buys is really nothing more than a large basement pizza party.
ReplyDeleteBecause SHUT UP, that's why
ReplyDeleteLOL. in all honesty, it's only a difference of 4-8 thousand buys between ROH and TNA sometimes, so why does TNA count and not ROH-it's a stupid argument
ReplyDeleteThis guy gets it
ReplyDeletethat PWG match sounds like it would have had a crazy pace
ReplyDeleteI feel like you do. I just like good wrestling; I don't really give a shit what promotion it is.
ReplyDeleteNo worries or hard feelings at all. I was just making a little joke. I've been busy the past few days but if I have time, I will put something together.
ReplyDeleteI didn't see Cole/O'Reilly. And while there are better matches from ROH through the year (and matches I rated higher) the streetfight at Final Battle was the one I enjoyed the most. I love crazy ECW-style brawls, might be my favorite type of wrestling.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree. I'm willing to bet the ratings for the TV shows aren't that far apart either.
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of a glaring omission. Perhaps just a top 5 WWE match list if there are such "biases."
ReplyDelete5. Kyle O'Reilly and Davey Richards (Team Ambition) vs. Adam Cole and Eddy Edwards ROH 10th Anniversary Show
ReplyDelete4. Kyle O'Reilly vs. Roderick Strong ROH Killer Instinct
3. Kyle O'Reilly vs. Eddy Edwards PWG Battle of Los Angeles '12 Day 1
2. Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby Fish vs. Davey Richards and Eddy Edwards (The American Wolves) ROH Final Battle
1. Kyle O'Reilly vs. Adam Cole (Hybrid Fighting Rules) ROH Best in the World '12: Hostage Crisis
Honorable Mention: John Cena vs. Brock Lester, Daniel Bryan vs. CM Punk, Triple H. vs. Brock Lester, CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan (AJ on a pole match), Triple H. vs. The Undertaker, CM Punk vs. Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho
I watched it three times in prep for this list, but it only got about 4 stars with me. Great match, but in terms of brawls, it didn't match Taker/HHH HIAC, Roode/Storm at BFG, or Punk/Bryan at MiTB.
ReplyDeleteHey, I didn't know Kyle O'Reilly's wife posted here.
ReplyDeleteLoved that moment up there with the Randy Orton/John Cena Royal Rumble moment of no interest..
ReplyDeleteI really with the "Shawn is better" chant caught on permanently whenever HHH came out..
It's funny for me because the last time a top face tapped out, it was John Cena in 2005. Well, technically, Eric Bischoff grabbed Cena's hand and forced it down multiple times when he was guest ref, but that didn't the fans from chanting "You tapped out!" at Cena the next week.
ReplyDeleteThe tag line for the show can be: "It's Bonzo Gonzo!"
ReplyDeleteI'd like Zack Ryder to leave for TNA. He could do a hell of a lot more there.
ReplyDeleteAnd Rhodes can become a legit main eventer when he's actually interesting. He doesn't have great enough matches for his lack of a personality. If he were on the 1960's Batman show, he'd be one of the Joker's henchmen in the sweater that read 'Bad Guy #2'.
Ugh.
ReplyDelete^THANK YOU
ReplyDeleteI'm an ROH fan and I'm seeing way to much fucking O'Reilly here
ReplyDeleteI guess, I just didn't even think it was match of the night- (I was satisfied with the LADDER WAR!!!!)
ReplyDeleteSEE, WE DO AGREE ON THINGS FROM TIME TO TIME
ReplyDeleteThe Observer said that if you only way number of veiwers against number with access to the show it's a pretty close percentage (which is pretty impressive considering how much smaller a company ROH is) but that was WAY back when the show started-I don't know any recent numbers.
ReplyDeleteI've been O'Reilly fan ever since the Miz started dropping his name in all of his promos.
ReplyDeleteI was supposed to go this year, but my ride bailed and I had to sell it on StubHub. Even as a Trips fan, I wish I was a part of that because I hate that ego-driven shit.
ReplyDeleteBut about Robbie E?!
ReplyDeleteI know everyone shits on the Brock/Cena finish, but I really liked it. I know most of us were hoping they'd go full Knightfall with it, but I liked it because it ripped a page out of Brock's UFC career with his first match with Mir, where Brock dominates and dominates (although with this match, 20 minutes instead of 2), but then gets caught from being too aggressive and loses in a flash. And it would be one thing if Cena just AA'd him, but I was satisfied with the chain to the face on the flying Brock before the AA; I was OK in buying that as a plausible finish.
ReplyDeleteRyder is gonna have to learn to do something besides WWWYKI.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but IMO the ending is just an important part of the match as the rest.
ReplyDeleteAnd at this point, I think people are rating UT's annual matches out of tradition more than merit.
ANOTHER HAS JOINED THE CONGREGATION!
ReplyDeleteExactly. HHH/UT has no replay value. In the atmosphere of the bar i watched it, i got caught up in the match but it really wasnt a great match.
ReplyDeleteAgain, it was all story to hide the limitations of two guys that worked maybe 4 matches all year. With the GOAT as a ref.... in a Cell... at Wrestlemania...
I hated that they turned the feud "personal" before WrestleMania. why not wait until after that match to let it make it more sense (= Jericho doesn't win the belt in a pure athletic competition so he tries to get inside Punks head). the build up with Jericho losing every important match did not help either.
ReplyDeletesmarks that hate indepedent wrestling are strange.
ReplyDelete*passes the collection plate*
ReplyDeleteI don't discriminate. ROH has been complete shit this year. That doesn't mean this match didn't kick all sorts of ass. I don't care where it comes from. I'll take good wrestling wherever I can get it.
ReplyDeleteI really don't think that's Rhodes' fault though. He was immensely intriguing when he had the mask gimmick. But once he lost it they just turned him into Cocky Heel #18,000
ReplyDeleteReally? I actually thought it was one of the best. Both matches I thought were ****1/2+ and while we only got one real awesome promo, I still think overall it delivered.
ReplyDelete...dont push it...
ReplyDeleteIts hard for me to narrow a list down to just 5, but I wouldn't put anything from WWE in my top 5 for the year. Punk/Bryan from OTL and Lesnar/Cena are the only 2 WWE matches that might crack a top 10 for me. Barring something from the NJPW tag league being a MOTY candidate, I've seen every MOTY candidate from WWE, TNA and NJPW and both of the big Elgin matches from ROH. I've only seen the Shield match from the last 2 WWE PPVs. Its definitely a deep pool of matches to choose from this year, so any list is going to come down to personal preference. Even with all the great matches this year, I'm less interested in wrestling now than I was a year ago. TNA's main event scene is already starting to get stale as they seem to be repeating combinations of Hardy, Roode and Aries over and over again while the big faction that should have been the spark TNA needed to get hot again has become a faction of career midcarders with below average wrestling ability (Mike Knox?) and green rookies that don't belong on TV yet. Even the big 1/3/13 angle has already been revealed to be the millionth return of Sting as an active wrestler apparently doing the same thing he was doing before he was "injured" a month ago. The only way this Sting return is acceptable is if Sting comes back, buries the entire Aces and 8s faction and they're never heard from again. Besides, there's an obvious faction angle that would make the show better (Bobby Roode as World Champion and leader of an Evolution or Horseman style faction called the Selfish Generation).
ReplyDelete5.Roode VS Storm Lockdown
4.Suzuki VS Tanahashi NJPW 10/8
3.Aries VS Roode Destination X
2.Aries VS Hardy (Ladder match) Turning Point
1.Okada VS Naito NJPW 3/4
The top 2 on that list got 5 stars from me and the rest got 4 3/4 stars. I took a quarter star off of Roode VS Storm because the booking hurt Storm. I don't really see anything wrong with the finish, but TNA should have brought Storm back on the 1st live Impact after Roode beat Sting clean (instead of jobbing to Sting) and had Storm VS Roode in a Texas Death Match main event Slammiversary. I took a quarter star off of Suzuki VS Tanahashi because I thought the early part was a little slow, but I'm not sure that would hold up on a second viewing. Suzuki and Tanahashi was a technical classic that was basically a thrown-together main event just to fill time until Tanahashi VS Okada at the Tokyo Dome. Okada and Naito had a ridiculous workrate and was the match that made Okada a star. At the beginning of that match, Okada was the champion, but he was considered a fluke and wasn't over. By the end, the crowd was won over and chanting his name.
I think alot of it is the way the WWE machine constantly tells their fans that nothing other than WWE matters and they just believe it. WWE holds shows in front of 15 thousand fans every night and has production values that no other company in the world can match. If WWE is better than the other companies because they're bigger, then Honey Boo Boo is a better TV show than anything on AMC, Call of Duty and Madden are the best video games released every year and Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey are better works of literature than anything by Shakespeare.
ReplyDeleteI get your point but I can think of at least a half dozen matches in the wwe this year better that are much better than the aries Hardy ladder match.
ReplyDeleteThere's a reason kobe bryant isn't playing in some minor league bball league though.
ReplyDeleteThere's been tons of amazing matches in the wwe this year though
ReplyDeleteWell said
ReplyDeleteI'm curious, as someone who's seen both Elgin matches-which side are you on, was his match with Steen or Richards better for you?
ReplyDeleteI really like Robbie E. He's pretty entertaining, and that stupid list/VIP rope thing is awesome.
ReplyDeleteOh snaps, Fuj, you better watch out. The COTMB are doing what they do best around the internet; displaying their nerd rage in down-votes!
ReplyDeleteI was unimpressed by the WM match mostly because I don't think Jericho can go out there as a wrestler and tear the house down, he's just too old, also the psychology of it was all wack. He taunted him for five minutes than they went and had a technical-ish match. It was okay, but Bryan/Punk was by far the best technical match in WWE this year.
ReplyDeleteBut...the street fight at ER was fantastic, Jericho being a sleazy bastard who got the tar beat out of him by the home-town hero. It was honestly one of the few matches Punk had that actually helped portray him as a star, instead of Punk getting himself or his opponent over instead. The slap from his sister and ending the match by throwing himself into the crowd were great babyface moments that I wanted out of a Punk reign.
Shakespeare is highly overrated.
ReplyDeleteAny O'Reilly is too much.
ReplyDeleteYeah, and I have to give credit to two guys that really can't go anymore doing everything possible to have a great match.
ReplyDeleteYou call those things crutches, I call them smart booking.
I'm not saying it isn't a great match, just not MOTY. And unlike some people, I do think that storyline contributes to a match, which is why I'd give it **** instead of just ***.
ReplyDeleteOk. Six matches. Go!
ReplyDeleteive been trying to get Scott to post "The List" on the blog FOR MONTHS!
ReplyDeleteIts fucking hilarious!
-Earl Hebner
-Christopher Daniels
-Xema FUCKING Ion
except ryan and cyril o'reilly /Oz
ReplyDeleteCena v lesnar, shield tlc, punk v db @ otl, sheamus vs db, cena v rock, and hhh v ut.
ReplyDeleteI'm not knocking tna btw. I thought the bfg match between hardy and aries was better. Wwe and tna have both had very good years in wrestling quality and imo have fantastic talent rosters but that ladder match isn't #2. There's some problems with it
Imo the finish isthe MOST important part. I definitely wouldn't put hhh v ut in the top 5 but it was phenomenal story telling and well paced. The wm27 was not good but this one built on that match worked the crowd and told a story.
ReplyDeleteYup
ReplyDeleteDoesn't mean that there can't be a really great game in college or high school though.
ReplyDeletewhile no even close to number one, O'reilly v does just break my top ten (even if it's a lucky accident that gets it there)
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with that. Imo guys like punk/cena/sheamus/ziggler/db etc are better at this point in their careers but I loved elgin v Richards and steen v generico ladder match, I don't watch roh outside of checking out the superhyped matches after the fact but thats just because between raw smackdown impact and wwe 27/7 plus ppvs plus YouTube I just don't have enough time.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. If there was ever a time for a non-finish (ref stoppage?) this was it. It would have fit the story just fine (Cena is getting killed despite all his comebacks, so WWE protects their cash-cow by stopping the match).
ReplyDeleteI can't remember that many tv matches this year but I loved that first 18 minute sheamus vs sandow match on raw. 4 star match and I'm calling it the best TV match of the year
ReplyDeleteWhich in turn I think is the main problem with Wrestlemania 27 altogether, it felt like just a stepping stone to Wrestlemania 28.
ReplyDeleteI was kind of disappointed with the ladder match, honestly. I was expecting something amazing, like some match for the ages type shit, and it didn't really deliver. It was still very good (****), but the pace was a little too slow and there was too much offense from one side for it to be one of the greats, IMO. As far as best matches I've ever seen it doesn't even crack the top 20. Maybe even top 50.
ReplyDeleteWhat is Orton going to do if he leaves the wwe though? No way he goes indy scene. Guess I could picture him in tna and doing well. Orton-Storm would be fantastic
ReplyDeleteI have 3/5 of those in my own top 5. I would actually put that aj v cd dx match as 6 now that I think about it. The reason that I put ut v hhh over that one is that the booking of the feud and the match made it feel more epic. Aj v CD was more action but hhh v ut felt like it was higher stakes. However the styles match has far more rewatchablity to me
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen your #1 (I really liked your #5) and couldn't find it on YouTube so I can't comment but the reason why punk v db is my moty is it's just an all out mat classic and the finish is a submition reversal into a pin as good as the owen wmx one. The only match I saw this year I had no hesitation saying was 5 stars. Perfect match
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't go five snowflakes either. But I appreciate two old guys tricking everybody more than two young guys exposing themselves, y'dig?
ReplyDeleteI hated the UT/HHH match. And I understand the storyline aspect of it and why people love it because of that, but due to the fact that I highly dislike one of the people and I'm sort of indifferent to the other that wasn't even a factor for me. I wanted to see it purely due to those guys doing insane ***** Cell matches in the past, and on that level it was a massive letdown. As simply a match, like if I were to come of out a coma or something the day before WM and watched it not knowing the buildup or anything, I found it to be boring crap. The cage was never even really involved, it wasn't even that violent, and there was just WAY too much laying around. And while I know I've said this before, HBK as the guest ref totally ruined a match I wasn't too fond of to begin with. I found him insufferable, and I find it be the worst performance of his career that I've seen.
ReplyDeleteSomething to add... Assuming the 2 matches were equal workrate-wise, there were 2 other factors in play. In favor Styles/Daniels: I was 98% sure that Taker was going over at WM. Knowing that the winner is a foregone conclusion hurts the quality of match, at least to me. In favor of HHH/UT: the completely DEAD crowd for the Styles/Daniels match. I normally don't let the crowd affect how I view/rate a match unless the crowd is either really hot or really dead (but I still give it the full monty because... well, fuck the Impact Zone), but the crowd was silent for most of that match. Definitely not the case for HHH/UT.
Just out of curiosity, what match would you take over the Final Battle streetfight(I'm assuming that's one of the matches not in your top 5), what was the other match that didn't make it, and what other match do you have in your top 5?
I have GBH XI. If you can explain to me how to send you a 2+ GB file I'll be happy to do so.
ReplyDeleteI liked the Richards match slightly better, but had both of them at ****1/2 and I don't know if I might go the other way if I watched both of them back to back (and I don't really have the time to do that). Elgin is by far the best worker on the ROH roster and should be their champion. I don't watch much of ROH's product and have never been able to get into ROH. It'd probably be a different story if they still had their former top stars that left to be heavily featured in WWE and TNA, but they're long gone and were mostly gone even in the HDNet days.
ReplyDeleteI had db vs sheamus over that match over it and the other match was the roode storm blow off at bfg. After aj v cd as my closest miss to the 5 would be the first hardy v aries match, elgin v richards at the show wm wknd punk cena that had the double pin and I really liked that punk/db/kane match. Cena ziggler and even...I swear I'm not trolling...that ziggler v orton match on the noc ppv.
ReplyDeleteI don't know either? I'll see if I can find it on a pirate ship
ReplyDeleteNot trolling at all on that Ziggler/Orton match. I watched that live and while I don't wouldn't put it in my top 5, it was a **** affair, and if there was an award for "match that you thought would suck but was really good" (and there should be an award for that) it would win by a mile for me. And I saw that match with my brother, who HATES wresting, and his response to it was "Shit, that was pretty good!" So it even impressed a non-fan! I'll do bullet points for the rest here:
ReplyDelete-"and the other match was the roode storm blow off at bfg"... "the first hardy v aries match" I've stood by my boycott of TNA (and to that asshole that said "See you Thursday" in the BFG thread: Go fuck yourself! I haven't watched one second of TNA since Destination X) and refuse to watch Jeff "Shithead" Hardy under any circumstances.. So I gotta take your word on this one...
- "elgin v richards at the show wm wknd" I assume I'll be reviewing this on Saturday. If it's anything like the match they had on ROH TV recently than I expect it to be total shit. But I said in the review for that match that the match at WM was probably a lot better...
-punk cena that had the double pin The NOC match? Awesome match, fucking garbage ending. I would have done the "Heel gets pissed off at the slow count and gets DQd for beating up the ref" finish, or even a time-limit draw. But a Dusty finish? That's -* on it's own. They can fuck off with that shit...
-Cena ziggler At TLC? With that ending that match was somewhere in the neighborhood of #7 on the night. Fucking AJ decides the finish? They can fuck off with that shit too.
That's how I got it...
ReplyDeleteThe talent drain has left the company as less then it once was, but I still find the product refreshing, just wrestling,no sportz entertainment bull shit. It's nice to have some simplicity sometimes
ReplyDeleteI thought that if the pace had sped up any it would have gone from good bully vs little guy psychology to just another spot fest-people have to sell powerbombs on ladders
ReplyDeleteAlso true
ReplyDeleteSee that's the insanity! if i were to rank the companies on quality of roster I'd say
ReplyDeleteWWE>TNA>ROH
but if I rank on how I've enjoyed the products over the last year I'd say
ROH>TNA>WWE
Fair enough. I really liked it, I just didn't love it. Certainly not the worst way to kill a half hour, that's for damn sure.
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure El Generico could come up with a few XD
ReplyDeleteSee, I thought the match at WrestleMania 27 was the absolute drizzling shits while the HIAC at 28 was absolutely fantastic and worthy of being in match of the year talks.
ReplyDeleteAnd it should be set in Tulsa.
ReplyDelete+1 for backing it up.
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