Since I'm actually going to WM this year, I continue to try and come up with ways to avoid the seemingly inevitable Cena/Rock2 and HHH/Brock2 co-main.
After last night's developments, why not hot shot HHH/Brock2 to elimination chamber? Have Brock go over clean again. Then have HHH turn to UT the other man he could not beat, but a man he respects and who respects the WWE, and do UT/Brock at WM. Huge match, wasn't done as recently, has the UFC "altercation" to draw upon, and people won't freak out when Brock loses to UT at WM.
Then instead of feeding Punk to UT - a match that makes no sense on many levels - put him into the main event at WM as a 3-way match. (Cena can still pin Rock, giving Punk an in to face Cena for the title again after WM.)
It's relatively simple, doesn't require any turns, and makes the co-mains much fresher.
Any chance?
I know people really hate it, but they're going straightforward with Cena/Rock, HHH/Brock and Punk/Undertaker for Wrestlemania and mixing things up with three-ways and such would really be a waste of time. It's already going to be the biggest money show in history, why take the chance?
"It's already going to be the biggest money show in history, why take the chance?"
ReplyDeleteI'd be absolutely stunned if the show does a bigger buyrate than last year. It's not going to bomb -- with Rock & Brock on the same card, it almost literally cannot. But it won't be last year.
I'd be stunned if it didn't get a bigger buyrate than last years show.
ReplyDelete"The best worker is the one who makes the most money, brother!" - Hulk Hogan.
ReplyDeleteI think it will no matter what. So why NOT take the chance. Everyone gets paid. What I don't understand is that HHH doesn't need to be involved in any capacity and it still draws. Is he really that insecure? Brock/Taker makes the most sense. Historically and IRL. Vince calls back the one person who he needs. Someone from his past.
ReplyDeleteSigh. I have tix as well and I'm kind of sad my first WM will have two VERY predictable matches. I'm holding out hope that Punk/Taker will kick all kinds of ass. There's also hope for the undercard - especially if they put MitB back on the show.
ReplyDeletePunk just got pinned by a pedestrian People's Elbow with very little in the way of dramatic kick-outs. I'm sure it'll be a good match but who buys any near falls in that match?
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with this. A third straight year of Cena/Rock interaction just seems unlikely to have as much appeal as it did last year. We've seen Rock wrestle. We've seen Rock wrestle singles. We've seen Rock wrestle Cena.
ReplyDeleteObviously this is going to do very well, but I can't see this coming in higher than third in terms of buyrates behind last year and the Trump/Vince Mania.
Hey original e-mailer dude... how does Punk/Taker not make sense on "so many levels"? It actually makes sense on pretty much all levels.
ReplyDeleteBy the time EC rolls around, the majority of the viewing public will have forgotten the rumble match. I'm hoping the rematch will make Pink look stronger.
ReplyDeleteHey, it could be worse... The Miz headlined the Mania I was able to go to.
ReplyDeleteCompletely ignoring the fact that he'd already kicked out of a Rock Bottom on the floor.
ReplyDeleteIt will be the biggest Wrestlemania ever in terms of total revenue generated (live gate, Axxess, HOF, plus buy rate) thanks to the ny market but I do not think it tops last year just on buys. There's nothing that screams must see...unless Cena-Rock becomes a unification match, but Vinny Mac don't have time for that.
ReplyDeleteI was the original e-mailer:
ReplyDeleteFirst, I don't think punk/ut makes sense because without his title streak I can't see how anyone thinks UT streak is at risk. Plus, jobbing punk at W$ on the heels of jobs at RR and EC seems dangerous.
Second, I just re-watched hhh/brock from summerslam and the crowd is dead. There are even a few boring chants. There is just no need or desire for this rematch. Especially with brock/ut sitting right there for the taking.
Why take the chance? Because us smarks don't want it! All 3% of WWE's fanbase! THAT'S WHY!!!
ReplyDeletethat *was* his best ever Sharpshooter.
ReplyDeleteTaker is being held together by wet paste and hope. They're not putting him in with Brock.
ReplyDelete"Fatal Four-Way" at the one I went to...sigh. WM2000 in Anaheim
ReplyDeleteIf the build isn't at least good, this WM ain't topping last year's buys. If the build is great, I have no problems with the rematches. But I'd rather have Brock/Rock for the title, Cena/Taker, and Punk/HHH.
ReplyDeleteDo we dislike the top matches because they will be bad or because we already "know" what they are going to be?
ReplyDeleteI still want to believe we're getting something different. Cena/Punk/Rock 3 way after the EC match ends in a screwy ending. Cena can still win the match and can still pin Rocky to get the strap but by adding Punk the match would be something more just like how adding Shawn to HHH/Benoit made that match just that much better.
ReplyDeleteI realize I'm pissing into the wind with my fantasy booking but I just want to believe.
HHH enjoys giving himself a six figure bonus for showing up to work one match when he draws absolutely no buys.
ReplyDeleteCM Punk/Undertaker doesn't do it for me at all. By this point it seems the streak isn't going to end, but the only guys who seemed capable of ending it were HBK and HHH - two legends, tight with Vince, respect "the business", earned Undertaker's locker room respect, and all that other horseshit. CM Punk the character has no chance at beating Undertaker, and CM Punk the person has no chance at being booked to beat Undertaker.
ReplyDeleteWell Cena/Rock was cool because it was a once in a life time dream match last year. This year it's just a rematch with the less favorable outcome.
ReplyDeleteHHH/Brock wasn't great at Summerslam. It could be good, but it's pretty much Triple H over-coming his doubts to return to the ring and defeat Brock for the good of the business.
If you're a big fan of Cena and Triple H this is the show for you, it seems.
Punk is pretty much bulletproof. Losing twice to Rock and then once to Undertaker isn't going to hurt anybody, let alone Punk. It makes sense because he can't be in the WWE title match he still needs the spotlight. Plus, if anybody can end 'Taker's streak, it's the Best in the World. Title vs. Streak is a terrible idea and always was. At least Rock can wrestle more than once a year without his bones crumbling inside his body.
ReplyDeleteFace it peeps who are going: you're getting a pedestrian WM this year.
ReplyDeleteThe HoF class is looking pretty nice, though.
In terms of actual buys, I'd still love to know how people pooling their resources and ordering the show for a group impacts things. I'm betting that it might be happening more and more in recent years b/c of the economy, price, and overall product quality. For example, I saw the Rumble along with 6 other people, so that was 7 views for the price of one.
ReplyDeleteAre buys a reflection of TV viewership? In other words, is it possible that the number of people who are actually watching PPV's hasn't really changed much, but rather the number of individual buys? People might not take the time to watch TV at home, but if a group is getting together for a PPV, that might entice people watch for the "get-together" atmosphere.
In fact, it's possible that PPV's are reaching more eyes (from a paid perspective) these days compared to what the buyrate suggests, b/c a buyrate only counts for 1, vs. where it actually counted as 7 in my case.
Adhere to the poster:
ReplyDeleteBrock vs. Rock vs. Cena.
What makes me mad is that after he's done with Dolph Ziggler, they're going to shotgun another heel turn for Chris Jericho so they can feed him to Ryback, despite the fact that right now he's more over than the Rock. *sighs*
ReplyDeleteIt's already blown away every other show in history on gate, so unless it dies on PPV there's literally zero chance of it not being the biggest of all time.
ReplyDeleteGood point, though I'll be really interested in finding out the buy-rate - the show as a whole may gross more, but I seriously doubt that there will be more interested eyes this year than last.
ReplyDeleteCome on Scott, you should know better than anyone that Miz is facing the Undertaker. It's already being set up, one of Taker's Wrestlemania opponents already bestowed his signature move to Miz, next Shawn Michaels will give Sweet Chin Music to him, and then Triple H will knight Miz with the honor of being able to use the Pedigree.
ReplyDeleteAnd then, shit will be on.
I feel the same way. Exactly what is the selling point in seeing Taker beat Punk in what will probably be a boring shitty match? Just let him have this year off so he's nice and well rested to job next year to Cena to end the streak.
ReplyDeleteAnd really, what's my incentive to but WM at all? Rock/Cena II, so Cena can get his win back? Don't fucking care. HHH/Lesnar II, so HHH can get his win back? REALLY don't fucking care. Rey/Cara? No thanks, I can watch Botchamina on YouTube, and actual lucha libre on Galavision. Bryan/Kane? Well, that will be fun, but not $60 fun.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather see the part timers used as a way to put over new talent. Sure go with Rock/Cena II as the "big match" but why not have someone new, a new face, come in and be the one to stop Brock? Looking at reactions I think fans are dying to cheer Daniel Bryan and what better way to launch him to that next level than beating Brock Lesnar on a show that will have possibly the most eyes on it that any show has had? Why not use this show as a chance to put over Dolph Ziggler? In the ultimate showoff move he will add an accolade no one can claim. Beating Undertaker at WrestleMania. Fans are getting behind Dolph too. He just needs that one final push. He doesn't have to beat Undertaker. But going 20 minutes with the Deadman at WrestleMania? He's made. Add Punk to the main event and make it a triple threat. That way you don't have to worry about Rock gassing.
ReplyDeleteSo you'd use part timers like Rock, Brock, and Undertaker to make bigger stars out of Cena, Punk, Bryan, and Ziggler. And if Triple H is dying to have a WrestleMania match, well hey here's a talent named Wade Barrett who has everything WWE is looking for. Why not have Triple H put him over?
Is Randy Orton doing anything? Job him to Cody Rhodes.
WWE is just going to have to go all in with young talent. In a few years they won't have Undertaker. They can't hope the Rock will keep coming back. They sure as hell can't rely on Brock. Triple H is moving to the corporate world. John Cena is in his mid thirties and has been working non stop for nearly a decade. No matter what in 5 years WWE won't have most of these guys. There's nothing they can do about it. But they can use these big stars they have now to try and make new guys now.
Erm, maybe I'm being dumb, but if they're ALREADY sold $10m dollars worth of tickets, what's to stop them "taking a chance"? That $10m is in the bank, whether Rock headlines or Curt Hawkins does.
ReplyDeleteI understand they see Rock/Cena and Brock/HHH as the big draws, despite the potential for better feuds/matches being there, but a high presale is certainly no guarantee of a high buyrate, They could do a lot to minimise their profits from here until March.
What basis do we have to assume that Undertaker vs. Punk would be a shitty match? Every year since WrestleMania 23 Undertaker matches have been mainly well received by people online, and more importantly by the fans in the audience. And one thing they've proven is that despite his advancing age the Undertaker has the smarts, the know how, and the crowd reactions, to deliver a quality match at WrestleMania. He's got the formula, the booking, and the mind to deliver.
ReplyDeleteAnd Punk is more than capable of holding up his end of the bargain too.
I wouldn't. The main draw is a re-hash of what was a good, but not great, match. That one had a year of build-up, this one will have two months. That one had novelty value. This one won't.
ReplyDeleteI think people banding together for PPV viewings is nothing new, I've been doing it for about a dozen or so years. I think it's always been a fact of life the same way normal sports have to deal with the same issue with their big-game ratings.
ReplyDeleteWhat's funny is that WWE had a good run on buyrates in 2012 while the TV ratings were nosediving. Whether the feuds are good or not, if you stack good cards the way WWE did last year, people are gonna buy them.
They've sold $10 million worth of tickets? Goddamn! Too bad they couldn't do Cowboys stadium. Even if you can't fill it all the way they could do some damage.
ReplyDeleteNot to lose points on my smark card, but a WM with the three main events that are set in stone already has my money. Whether the feuds are hot or cold, I like the odds of all three being excellent matches, which for me, I care about more when it comes to parting ways with my PPV money.
ReplyDeleteNever been to WrestleMania. Keep griping!
ReplyDeleteI'm not big on Cena at all, but besides Brock/Taker, Cena vs. Taker in the match I'm dying to see the most. They've been very smart with Undertaker. They kept him away from Batista until Batista was a huge star. They kept him away from Shawn for a decade(minus the Rumble ending) They kept him away from Triple H for many years besides the Elimination Chamber. Him and Cena have only interacted once or twice since Cena became a deity. All these matches felt big because we hadn't seen them on free TV 17 times before WrestleMania. Even with Edge I don't think they had a singles match before their WM match.
ReplyDeleteMaybe a decade plus of reading between the lines and visiting every smart mark community on the web has jaded me, but to me they've already destroyed the buildup to WrestleMania XXIX before they even got going good. It's one thing for online fans to understand when someone is doing the job to return the favor from a previous job, but you can almost feel this wave in the general audience from week to week that they know what's coming, and a large segment of them want nothing to do with it.
ReplyDeleteRock/Cena II is a waste, to be frank. Had John Cena stewed on the loss all year and gone to desperate lengths to try and get one last opportunity to crush the proverbial skeleton in his closet, then you have something. But Cena basically laughed it off the day after like it didn't matter before carrying on business as usual, and that killed any hope of a successful rematch. Triple H just carries the stink of nepotism on him to the point that his matches are almost extended wankfests, and his rematch with Lesnar couldn't be more telegraphed if they held up big neon flashing signs saying Brock was returning the favor. Undertaker/Punk is fresh, but there's no guarantee that Undertaker can have a technical classic at his age. After his first match with Shawn Michaels several years ago, he has slowly begun to regress as a worker due to injuries, requiring a bit more showmanship and brawling to hide this fact. That might work with someone as limited by Triple H, but can that brutal dynamic work against someone as small as CM Punk, when no real issue exists for their "sudden feud" to escalate to that level?
I wouldn't call announcing it one week, followed by 10 months of not discussing it at all, followed by 4 weeks of buildup being a year's worth of buildup, myself.
ReplyDeleteSurvivor Series?
ReplyDeleteI've found all of those matches terribly overrated, but I hate the Undertaker to begin with, so I'm not exactly unbiased or anything. But still, I'd expect a match like last year's (which I still maintain was shit), only with more of the extended squash feel to it.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I'm not totally sure they're doing that match anyway. And what would be the point? Even the markiest of marks knows Punk has no chance of winning, and it does nothing for anyone involved. Put Punk in a 3-way with Rock and Cena (yeah, we all know Cena is still winning, but at least it's not the same exact main event as last year), and find some other way to make Taker part of the show. Maybe something with Foley, it was his feud with Taker that really made him a star. Kane/Taker vs. Bryan/Foley? It would draw more interest than Punk/Taker.
No way man, I've got the inside scoop - it's gonna be Taker vs. Broadus Clay in a dance-off! Remember where you heard it first!
ReplyDeleteOkay, take everything in my post and change "10 months" to "7 and 3 with a month in between =) "
ReplyDeleteI agree that Punk/Undertaker doesn't make as much sense as it would have putting title streak vs. WrestleMania streak on the line. But a Punk demanding respect vs. Mr. Respect makes sense.
ReplyDeleteWe differ on the Undertaker and his matches at WrestleMania because I think since 23 against Batista they've been great-classic.
:)
ReplyDeleteI know what you mean, but even if it wasn't hyped up full-blast for a year, they mentioned it occasionally, and more importantly they talked about in at media events, press releases, Rock's movie interviews etc.
Like I said, I hate the Undertaker...
ReplyDeleteA Punk vs. Taker storyline does make sense, as long as they do it at any other PPV. but at WM it's all about the streak. And I would hope that everyone can understand that the only guy that has a chance to end it is Cena, and even that's not a given, though I expect it to happen at WM30. Any other match with Taker at WM is just a waste of time.
I know over the last few months everyone has been talking about who Undertaker will face this year like it is a formality, but I have an alternative: he doesn't wrestle ANYONE ever again. He turns 48 this year and is 20-0 at WrestleMania. I think they only brought him back over the last few years to get to that 20 win mark, and last year was the perfect ending to the Undertaker legacy, with him standing with his two biggest WrestleMania opponents after beating them both multiple times....at WrestleMania.
ReplyDeleteSo with that legacy in mind, no one needs to End The Streak, and they don't need to keep it alive, either. He shouldn't ever lose at WrestleMania, and if he did, how much of a rub does he have to give at this point with the 50/50 booking mentality, anyway? It would hurt the legacy of The Streak more than it would help the guy that ends it. It's not like ending The Streak is going to catapult whoever does it into to a new level, much like Cena getting his win back and a respect handshake from Rock isn't going to change anything, either. He's still going to be trading wins (and titles) with Punk and Ziggler all summer, and if someone ended The Streak, they would probably get a world title shot at the next PPV and then back to 50/50 land.
The main event matches are all special attractions heavy with part time or legend talent, and of those matches, the guys that are going to win (HHH, Taker, Cena) don't need any kind of boost, and HHH and Taker may not even compete again for the rest of the year, yet still will get high profile wins at WrestleMania. What a mess!
But it will still sell out MetLife Stadium and set PPV records, so expect Cena to end the Streak next year, Austin pinning Punk after a Stunner, and the newly reformed DX turning The Shield into The Spirit Squad.
I'm fortunate enough to have been at two Wrestlemanias.
ReplyDeleteWM 19 - Best match, Jericho-HBK. Not the main event.
MW 21 - Best match, Angle-HBK. Not the main event.
Whoops, so I guess I just killed my point. Is HBK coming back? Or will Brock hit the SSP this time?
WMXXXI will probably be at Cowboys Stadium. Only reason 30 isn't there is because it's having the NCAA Final Four that same week.
ReplyDeleteThey'd better save Cena/Taker or Brock/Taker for that show then. If ever there was a need to super stack a card it'd be that one.
ReplyDeleteI do agree that Jericho is pretty just fresh off of a heel turn and he's already gonna turn again, but he's sooooooooooooooooo good at it that I really can't be that mad at them for doing it.
ReplyDeleteIf if the build is good, I still think it's a stretch they top last year's buys. I know for me personally, if the build is good I still won't buy the show because I still know Cena, HHH, and Taker are going over. Not worth the 60 bucks.
ReplyDeleteI give zero fucks who wins a fake fight. All I care about is the match quality, the promos, and the angles.
ReplyDeleteYEAH it is!
ReplyDeleteThe legs on that Backlund.
Agreed. Jericho playing a face is actually fresh since he hasn't done it since 2008, and crowds (especially the smarky WM crowd) is going to cheer for him anyway. Might as well have him remain a face and put over a young heel. I love the idea of a Jericho/Cesaro match...I really think Cesaro can be the next big talent in the company, and he's been protected enough thus far (a lot of countout or DQ losses, but no three-minute jobs like Barrett is subjected to) that it will stil mean something if he's put over on a big show.
ReplyDeleteThen again, we saw Rey go out of his way to put over Cody at WM27 and now, two years later, Rhodes is still a midcarder.
For a 10 hour PPV!
ReplyDeleteI've never understood why people call it a step down to be "fed" to the undertaker at WM. If anything it's quite the honor and since the whole hbk/HHH saga it is now quite possibly the biggest honor a wrestler can have. Taker gets one match the whole year, the streak match at WM it's probably the most prestigious title at the most prestigious event...how could Punk being that one guy who gets to face him be anything but striking gold?
ReplyDeleteSure he loses, but unless they want it to be a 10 minute squash I'm betting that takes match of the night and possibly year (like the last 4 taker matches) regardless of the outcome.
I hate WWE's 3 ways = I miss the old ECW 3 Way Dance Elimination match. Triple Threat matches are super cheesy.
ReplyDelete"It's already going to be the biggest money show in history, why take the chance?" - and that right there is exactly the problem. If it guaran-damn-teed to be the biggest show of all time/ this week/ this month, SHOWCASE someone. "here's something you like - have a look at this *other* thing you might like"
ReplyDeleteSurely it's not that hard...
Jericho's problem is how he views the business. He has a very old school view of how things should work, most of the time it's what makes him great, but sometimes it's what handcuffs him to bad ideas (Wrestlemania X8, anyone?).
ReplyDeleteAt this stage, though, Jericho's history of trollish behavior should allow him to be a tweener at all times. But neither Vince or Jericho himself see that as an actual character alignment alongside face and heel, and instead view it as a transitional phase between the two.
Over at the msg board, boardforpeople.proboards.com/ ...yes, feel free to come and join the experience of a life-time, dammit!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, over there we were talking about Wm30, and Scotty said something that would make me interested in Punk v Taker like crazy. Punk says that the people took from him what took 400-something days to build, so he's going to take from them what took 20 years to build, Taker's streak. How fucking perfect is that?
That's why you need to join the board. Plus, we're doing BOD Roulette over there, and there's a good chance you'll see me & Parallax1978 in a pillow fight, or Scottyflamingo and The Fuj in a Coal Miner's Glove Match.
It's the fact that the results seem so obvious.
ReplyDeleteI would prefer it sir, if you kept such perverse ideas to yourself!
ReplyDeleteAs an ambitious person, I have always admired Paul Levesque... as a wrestling fan I have always hated him.
ReplyDeleteI went to 3 in a row. I got Brock/Angle, CENSORED/HHH/HBK, and DAVE~!/HHH... oddly enough none of these people wrestle full time for WWE anymore (at least until Brock re-signed a couple of days ago)
ReplyDeleteI was at both of those also! We are practically related!
ReplyDeleteI wondered the same thing...
ReplyDelete"It's already going to be the biggest money show in history, why take the chance?"
ReplyDeleteShouldn't that be an argument *in favour* of taking a chance?
I really hope that this card DOES happen, because it makes rejecting Wrestlemania oh, so easy. Cena, HHH and Taker are probably my three least favorite wrestlers, and the thought of them winning those matches is nothing I want to financially support. Even if it "makes sense" for Punk to wrestle Taker, I have 0 interest in that. So thanks, WWE!
ReplyDelete"Jericho's problem is how he views the business. He has a very old
ReplyDeleteschool view of how things should work, most of the time it's what makes
him great, but sometimes it's what handcuffs him to bad ideas
(Wrestlemania X8, anyone?)."
What do you mean by that?
How does Punk/Undertaker have a long build?
ReplyDeleteWhy the fuck did I have to be n the shitty chick match? I mean I know I am fucking gorgeous but still...
ReplyDeleteYeah but at least huntor gets his win back.
ReplyDeleteThat's awesome. WM 19 is one of my personal faves.
ReplyDeletetitle vs streak was good batista vs taker.
ReplyDeleteafter that... nah
But you know what? It was still awesome. I had stopped watching wrestling for years at that point, and only decided to go at the last second. I just decided it was Mania in my town and I owed it to myself. I went mainly to see Rock and the Undertaker's entrance. But, from the second I got there I had a blast. 70,000 people are there and they are all pumped and excited. I saw kids turn to their parents and say "This is the best day of my life!". It truly is special. So much so that it got me back into wrestling. You'll have a great time. Unless it's like 35 degrees and raining or something, anyway.
ReplyDeleteThat's kind of what I'm hoping for. I mean...it's fucking Wrestlemania.
ReplyDeleteFYI Jobber: If Lesnar-HHH 2 does happen, I will not be offering a rematch of our "eat my hat" stipulations.
ReplyDeleteI really think that this could be the one match where they give us something a bit unexpected. They JUST signed Brock to a long term extension— are they really dumb enough to just feed him to a non-wrestler right out of the gate? (I mean, ok, maybe they are.) If this was Lesnar's last match with the company, sure they'd probably have Trips beat him. But under these circumstances I could see it going a different way.
ReplyDeleteTherefore, I hold some optimism that we get some sort of big tag match/WAR GAMES thing at Mania with Team HHH (perhaps he recruits his buddies like Nash, HBK, X-Pac etc, or he picks guys like Ryback, Sheamus, Orton who have nothing else better to do) to go against Lesnar/Shield. A match like that gives them a giant spectacle that would be easy to promote to both hardcores and non-hardcores alike, plus it allows them to book in such a way where Triple H gets the win, but Brock himself is protected. And it also gives them their "get a bunch of guys on the card" match, except with super high stakes and a really heated feud.
So yeah, at this point we're getting Cena-Rock 2 and Taker-Punk for sure. But I think there's still some hope that Lesnar-HHH becomes something more interesting.
exactly. and at the moment they are still in the comfortable position that they are not in need to do all those (or similar) suggested matches at once. they could easily just do one or two of them and STILL do some matches between two huge names.
ReplyDeletethumbs up x 1000
ReplyDeleteI remember a few months ago I bitched out Caliber for leaving early during a WM, but I seriously doubt that I would have stuck around to watch that main event.
ReplyDeleteAll those casual fans that bought it LOVED that match, though. Trust me, they'll buy it again. So many people I know who watched wrestling in the 90s/early 00s got loud about it last year and are getting loud about it again...and it's all about The Rock.
ReplyDeleteTaker vs Punk as a mark wont have a definite finish since it will be sum stipulation that will allow it to be taker vs punk and the shield unofficially
ReplyDeleteDamn straight. This match adds 0 buy to the show. Frankly it's a waste of both guys.
ReplyDeleteJericho's views on heels seem to be as such: They're bad guys, not to be cheered, not to have any redeeming qualities, be unequivocally wrong at all times and are also crying, childish, cowardly man-children.
ReplyDeleteGo back and look at his debut against Rock: Nobody broke Jericho's arm to make him act like he did at the end, that's exactly what he thinks a heel should do.
A note: They tried to amend this by having him destroy Road Dogg at the the very next Smackdown, to make him a bad ass. Then heended up feuding with/with Chyna, which turned him face (despite the fact he kidnapped her and tortured her with a hammer).
Then go take a look at tweener Jericho on his way to being a heel vs Rock before he won the WCW title. Much better character, more nuanced and three dimensional.
And then, after unifying the championships, he immediately went to work to make sure it didn't look like he belonged there. And he did a fantastic job of it from there until WrestleMania, probably to guarantee we didn't have a situation where like the Chyna one.
I guess I didn't mean Wrestlemania X8 itself, but everything that led up to it and the immediate aftermath for Jericho's character.
None of that stuff was Vince having a laugh: That's all textbook heel Jericho and all went according to plan (except the face turn during the Chyna thing).
He wasn't really like that in his 2008(ish) feud with HBK...
ReplyDeleteActually, the gate will be like $3-6 million more than last year, which did $9 million.
ReplyDeleteSo if the buyrate goes down by, say, 50,000....it would gross less. Even if they double the gate....it only takes a drop of 150,000 from the highest buyrate in history & Rock's first singles match in 10 years to be lower than last year.
That's a pretty thin line for running Rock/Cena as your top draw 3 years in a row. I mean, the show still makes an insane amount of money. I just strongly believe there would be MORE money in changing it up. Say...Rock/Brock...Punk/Taker Streak/Streak...just saying....
That's true, but he completely overhauled his character to do it. But he still ended up in the same place as Unified Champ Jericho by the end of it, as it was made clear he didn't belong on his way out the door.
ReplyDeletePretty much the same thing happened again when he returned to feud with Punk as he made grandiose claims that he never even came close to backing up. Which was just confusing.
On the other hand, it says a lot about Jericho that he had to go that far just to make himself look bad.