Hi Scott,
Super longtime fan of your work, love reading and rereading your PPV rants in the years I wasn't an active Wrestling watcher. Been talking with my brother about Triple H whom he never really liked as a wrestler or from what we've all heard backstage. I admit to enjoying his run as you did in 2000 putting on phenomenal matches with Rock and Foley. Is it fair to say Triple H is this generations Hulk Hogan? Definitely a more able bodied wrestler with the right worker but I can't recall another wrestler in the last 25 plus years who so thoroughly put himself over any and everyone as a heel AND face. Had programs with both Randy Orton and Chris Jericho and dominated them on both sides of the spectrum, put himself over Rock at 'Mania, and just tons of other examples I can't remember. I'm aware there was a time he was the only top name left after Austin and Rock departed but that's time he definitely should have been willing to give certain up and comers the benefit of the rub like the effort he only seems to give to people like Michaels, 'Taker and, my god...NASH. and other people he seems to think are at his "level". It's almost shocking the way some people got over despite his ridiculously dominant booking.
Well Hogan drew a shitload more money year-to-year than HHH did, even though HHH is pretty near the top overall because of years of being a top guy. That being said, Hogan never achieved anywhere near the power that HHH currently has, although in WCW it was close.
Either way, I think we can agree that Punk-Bryan was ****3/4.
But Rock-UT could've also been "ending an era" since Rock was right there during the peak of the attitude era and it would've been 10x more popular of a match to watch than HHH-UT, which again, means HHH is not Hulk in any way aside from backstage politicking.
ReplyDeleteHave to disagree on Jericho - the reason to put him over was so that he could contribute to the company when he was there. That's like saying Rock or Hogan should never have been put over, since they wanted to be movie stars.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how I feel about RVD, though - he was never a great worker (aside from his million matches with Jerry Lynn, which were all phenomenal), but there's no denying that he was extremely over and probably could have been a bigger star if booked in a more protective manner. I mean, It's not like he's the only pothead they've ever had, nor is he the only guy that is only motivated when made the centerpiece - Trips, Bret, Punk, all could be said to be more motivated when they were at the level *they* thought they should be at.
i dont defend HHH much but hindsight being 20/20 look where this going.
ReplyDeleteRVD- pothead who was only motivated once he was the centerpiece.
Jericho- wanted to be a rock star. why put him over? if Fozzy took off, he was gone.
Hogas was smart enough to be in that main event yes, but in no way did Hogan step aside and let Goldberg be the man. The main events of the ppvs during Goldberg's "run as the top guy" saw Hogan wrestling with Dennis Rodman, against Jay Leno, and in a shitty War Games match with the Ultimate Warrior. Hogan's stuff was front-and-center, while Goldberg was still squashing jobbers, just as the World Champion.
ReplyDeleteThere were some ways that WCW dropped the ball, but Hogan didn't help.
Isn't Randy Orton a giant pothead as well?
ReplyDeleteI think Jericho is the most overrated wrestler of all time. Until his late career heel turn, everything about him screamed mid card.
ReplyDeleteFinancial failure at the top may be a bit much. He was the lead heel in 2000, which stands out in my mind as their financial and creative peak (by that I mean excelling at both at the same time), and HHH was a big part of that.
ReplyDeleteLet's be honest, the real Hulk Hogan of today is the Rock, except he succeeded in ways that Hogan could only dream of.
ReplyDeleteTriple H is more like Dusty Rhodes, especially during the 2002-2003 period where he sucked.
ReplyDeleteEh, that's the thing with Hogan. He was smart enough to step aside and let Goldberg beat him, clean. YES he probably wanted the win back, but he gave Goldberg the best start possible as champ. Not Hogan's fault WCW screwed it up.
ReplyDeleteHHH almost did that for Batista, but their first match wasn't the 'under ten minute squash' it should have been.
In terms of backstage power and manipulation? Maybe. Did you think 15 years ago a match with him and the undertaker would be "ending an era?"
ReplyDeleteOn screen I'll take that analogy, but behind the scenes Cena seems to be far less of an a-hole than Hogan was.
ReplyDeleteA good parallel for Hulk Hogan is John Cena.
ReplyDelete1) Always in the main event even when he shouldn't be.
2) Never changes character when it got stale (Hogan finally changed after 13 years of playing the same guy).
3) May lose occasionally but always wins the war in the long run.
4) Originally a heel but turned face and remained that way for far too long
5) Screws his friends over but still acts like a face.
6) Even when he claims to step aside, he is still there.
A better example for Triple H is Nick Bockwinkel from AWA in that he wasn't very good in making new faces and when a new face comes along he undercuts them, his connections kept him on top for far too long, and he never knew when to give it up.
But didn't Hogan purposefully want the Goldberg match in the Georgia Dome so that he could take credit for the large crowd/gate? And I feel like I've heard Hogan was politicking to get that win back sooner than later.
ReplyDeleteI could be wrong on both counts but I could swear I've read/heard both things before.
Hogan deserves credit for changing his character to suit his new role when he turned heel. He didn't continue to do his dominant babyface act as a heel, he played a complete chickenshit who was afraid of everyone and rarely won clean - if he won clean at all, I can't think of any off the top of my head.Triple H plays the same dominant character face or heel.
ReplyDeletetotally agree
ReplyDeleteWas RVD ever the centerpiece?
ReplyDeleteOn the first point, it's been debated in both directions, but WCW sold about 15k in tickets with no announced card for the first day sales for that Nitro. The building was originally scaled for 28,000 at that point. The very next day, Meltzer reported that Hogan was asked/volunteered to be in a non title dark match with Goldberg, although that fact wasn't made public until two weeks later, after they already had about a 21,000 advance. They sold a bunch of tickets that week after the anouncement and rescaled the seating up to 41k. Three weeks later they announced Hogan vs Goldberg as a title match on TV.
ReplyDeleteAfter the Goldberg/Hogan dark match announcement in Atlanta, they sold another 15k in tickets -- was that Hogan, Goldberg, or just WCW being hot at the box office? Whatever the case, I suppose it's clear that the match had major appeal, whoever the responsible party is. 15k in sales for one day was a record for WCW at the time, but not that far off from their previous records set in 1997 and 1998, as they had a few 10k and 12k first days.
I'm betting he stays here.
ReplyDeleteDoes that mean Zack Ryder is Sid?
ReplyDeleteWMXIX was a great show. Even the Vince/Hogan match is watchable from a trainwreck perspective. And Jericho/HBK, Rock/Austin, and Angle/Lesnar are all varying levels of great.
ReplyDeleteEdite: And you meant his personal match...I'm a dumbass. Move along, nothing to see here.
i smell a *****1/4 to really enforce the point..
ReplyDeleteLIES!
ReplyDeleteThat topknot was the most badass thing ever.
The most bad ass mid card thing ever.
ReplyDeleteI love how the rating for the CM Punk vs. Daniel Bryan "Over the Limit" match has become a meme on this blog.
ReplyDeleteI think most overrated is a bit extreme. He was pretty damn good until X8
ReplyDeleteOne thing I've noticed about some of HHH wrestlemania main events is that they were pretty meh for one reason or another.
ReplyDelete2000: Rock should have gone over.
X8: rock-hogan should have gone last.
20: Awesome but not really having anything to do with him
21: This was alright .
22: Rey winning after Eddie was the big thing
25: Maybe the worst main event of all time and went two matches after Michaels-Taker 1 so no one gave a shit.
I think ****3/4 is about right.
ReplyDeleteThe only good match with Jerry Lynn was the match where Lynn won, but the matches was restarted, and then Lynn lost. The rest had some great spots, but it was all very sloppy and disjointed.
ReplyDeleteHe just doesn't speak up and use his clout to build new stars. Maybe he doesn't go out of his way to continue to be the sole big man on top, like Hogan did, but he sure as hell doesn't go out of his way either to put people over. Most recent example, Ziggler. They're almost the same thing.
ReplyDeleteI love Booker T going back Global and Ebony Experience, one of my all time favorites. That being said I don't understand why everyone is still so butt hurt about Triple H going over in that match. Triple H had a long heel title reign and also started a tremendous stable. He made Orton and Batista stars while making Flair relevant and important again. The World title is in far worse shape today than when Triple H's "reign of terror" was going on. Booker T had plenty of good days on Smackdown later on.
ReplyDeleteTotally changing his look was a nice touch as well.
ReplyDeleteWasn't the rumor that Cena bitched out Vince a few months back about being out of touch?
ReplyDeleteJericho could have been the HBK of WCW but Bishoff was too stupid to figure it out. Other than when he first showed up in WWE and needed "learn their style" Jericho has been awesome. One of the best of all time, he was only limited by his height.
ReplyDelete20 - He cleanly tapped out to put over Benoit.
ReplyDelete22 - He cleanly jobbed to Cena.
I disagree about 2000, however if it were a singles match than Rock going over would have been the right decision. I thought it was crazy seeing a heel walk out with the belt and he was on fire around that time.
Because the racist won. That's. It, full stop. Hhh did a racist angle in which the racist won, and you wonder why people are "butt hurt"? Cmon son.
ReplyDeleteYeah, fair point. At the very least, when Hogan was supposed to be the cowardly, ratfuck heel, he played it to a tee and never won with a clean boot and legdrop like he did as a babyface.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Hunter has never been a significant draw on his own. Hogan, at his peak, could draw against any Monster of the Week challenger.
ReplyDeleteIt will *****1/4 by tomorrow
ReplyDeleteThat's like saying Rock should have never gone over anyone because he wanted to be a movie star. Or Hogan in the 80s/early 90s for that matter.
ReplyDeleteIt's an interesting point, seeing as even Jericho has mentioned only seeing himself as an Intercontinental champion-level guy at one point
ReplyDeleteHey man,I totally agree with you.
ReplyDeleteI was at that Wrestlemania and it was such a strange ending to the show. I have no issue with Hunter being the first heel winner, by itself, it's just the fact that it was hotshotted to Backlash anyway. If it was supposed to lead to a longer, sustained run as dominant heel champ, I can see the value as a stepping stone moment, but they blew it off at Backlash, so I think history judges it as a "why not at Wrestlemania?" kind of thing
ReplyDeletePolitical clout, with nothing backing it in the ring? I'm with you
ReplyDeleteYeah, the logical end should have been Starrcade 1997. Taps clean to Sting and moves on. NWO break-up, maybe a red & yellow nostalgia run, and find something else to do as an on-screen performer
ReplyDeleteSummerslam 2003 was just absolutely brilliant on Hunter's part. He's crippled, works 90 seconds total of the match after Goldberg obliterates everyone, and then BAM! Sledgie. How did he pull that off?
ReplyDeleteI'll have to respectfully and vehemently disagree. I think Jericho's issue is his relative lack of ego. He would have his time in the main event, and then he'd have no problem shuffling down and working with other guys in the midcard. And then he could easily be shuffled back into the main event no problem.
ReplyDeleteThis wasn't a full blown racial angle, that has gotten blown way out of proportion. In the other big matches Hogan (face) was going over McMahon, and Lesnar (face) was going over the heel. Michaels also beat Jericho. Booker T should have gotten another shot or gotten the win down the line. This is far from the most ridiculous booking decision ever made.
ReplyDeleteI think Hunter-Orton could have survived going on after Undertaker-Shawn. The problem was they built it up as an intense blood feud where at one point Hunter even said "I'M GONNA BREAK YOUR NECK!" Orton assaulted Vince, Shane, and Hunter's wife. It should have been a wild, brawl. Instead they just did a regular match with no weapons, no craziness. That's my issue with Hell in a Cell and Extreme Rules now. They make these promises of carnage and brutality that they simply won't deliver under PG guidelines.
ReplyDeleteDidn't hear that one, but I just can't see Vince telling Cena no if he says that he doesn't want to beat Ziggler and overcome all of his finishers in three out of four matches. If that's the case, then there is no hope.
ReplyDeleteBacklash outdrew every other PPV that year besides WrestleMania. It was the rare case where HHH's "screw him over and give him the title next month" theory worked.
ReplyDeleteYeah it was a full blown racial angle, which shouldn't even be run in the first place, but if you are going to do it you cannot put the racist over. But vince did. And then the wwe wonders why every single non wrestling fan thinks the product is complete trash for bottom feeding morons.
ReplyDeleteThis was a dead horse 10 years ago, so it's amazing to still see people on the internet peddling this notion that HHH is THE MOST DASTARDLY SELFISH BACKSTAGE MANIPULATOR OF ALL TIME. The guy doesn't even wrestle anymore. His last match was getting his arm broken and ass kicked cleanly by Brock (where he no-sold the Pedigree).
ReplyDeleteI can't believe you actually mention Randy Orton. He and Flair made Batista and Orton.
HHH tapped out cleanly to Benoit and Cena. Is that not putting someone over?
Jericho still credits him for bringing him to the main event level with their last man standing match in 2000.
Anyone who is still sour grapes because he didn't drop the belt to Booker T or RVD in 2003 needs to get over it. The other main event guys (i.e., Rock, Austin) didn't put them over either. Vince didn't want to run with either guy as the champion.
It was pretty strongly implied. Lawler continually brought up Booker T's criminal past(including a great Lawler line "His family portrait was taken in court!) Triple H flat out saying "People like YOU don't win world titles" DId he mean Criminals? Black people? It's TOO close to that line.
ReplyDeleteI heard that the Cena bitch fit was because he didn't have the belt. I think Cena is easily as big of a scumbag as HHH or Nash or 1996 hbk or who ever. He fucks guys over, holds dudes down (daniel bryan anyone) and hides behind the concept of needing to do charity work for sick kids. I like Cena more than nash or huntor but less than HBK, because I would just rank them off workrate. I'm fine with Cena as the #1 dude but he's only going to do what makes him look the strongest, (like go over the three hottest heels in the company in squash match tonight for no reason at all.)
ReplyDeleteI think people underrate just how much that feud in 2000 did for Chris Jericho. Jericho was over already, but once he started insulting Stephanie it took him to a whole new level. And then going into their Last Man Standing match both guys looked strong, and Jericho merely lost by one second. I think Hunter was even stretchered out. You can put someone over while still beating them and that's what happened at Fully Loaded 2000.
ReplyDeleteThey're going to make Cena look even more like Superman for the buildup to Rock/Cena 2. Those matches were going to happen like that whether Cena wanted them to or not.
ReplyDeleteEverything you just wrote is wrong.
ReplyDeleteRewatch it. Great match, cool finish.
ReplyDeleteI bet he goes 5 stars in the raw review tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion has nothing to do with him putting guys over all the time. His look, his ring work, and his mic work were all mid card.
ReplyDeleteHe's much closer to being the most underrated ever than the most overrated ever. Cut great promos, had great matches, did lots of jobs to up and coming guys even in his prime. I don't know what more you would want.
ReplyDeleteDid Dougie steal your account?
ReplyDeleteFor about 5 weeks in the late spring/early summer of 2006
ReplyDeleteIsn't everyone?
ReplyDeleteNothing. I call him overrated because people put him up on the same level as Foley, HHH, Rock etc etc.
ReplyDeleteI...I agree with you?
ReplyDeleteQuite the contrary for me. He had the charisma to be a top star. He could wrestle anyone and have a good match. He had great heat. He had the pretty boy blonde hair of a face or he could grow out a devious beard and be a heel. I will say it was clear after his heel turn and run in 2002 he seemed to lose a lot of motivation(something he details in his book)
ReplyDeleteSaying Jericho was never a credible main event guy until he turned heel late in his career is trolling now? lol ok.
ReplyDeleteFunny that sounds so familiar. Superstar face of the company puts over up and coming star convincingly and then hogs the top of the card in an attempt to undercut the new guy/keep his top spot pay day.
ReplyDeleteYou can bet your bottom dollar Hogan was politicking to get that win back but just couldn't pull it off.
ReplyDeleteHe had charisma, but used it wrong. All the funny promos, the Stephanie insults, they're funny but they were so midcard. And his different beard styles looked so ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteCertainly Booker T has made racist remarks himself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPzXSerQOyo
ReplyDeleteIf you recall his mug shot leaked online around that time. Triple H also cleanly jobbed to him on Raw(even blading) right before Mania. Booker T as the number 1 guy on the number 1 show was just a not the role for him.
ReplyDeleteWhat's crazy about those two show's and how big the buyrates ended up being was how close they ran together -- WrestleMania was on April 2nd and Backlash was on April 30th.
ReplyDeleteI was fine with Jericho losing because watching the match live, I came away with the feeling Jericho took him to the limit and the story would continue. Only it didn't. I turned in the next night eager to see what happened next, and Triple H was back to the title picture and Jericho was where he usually was.
ReplyDeleteBill Goldberg would like to have a word with you.
ReplyDeleteAlso, please explain why he jumped into the Summer of Punk and felt that Kevin fucking Nash was necessary as well.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. It would have been nice if he could have put a heel over during the monster run to help said heel gain momentum for a feud with Goldberg, Sting or whoever would be the top guy. I don't know Hogan's contract situation but if it was up during 1998, it probably would have been time to phase him out since the nostalgia run would have had a temporary shelf life and turning him heel again would have been silly.
ReplyDeleteI wouldve been a star or relevant if i was booked to go over everyone and placed in every meaningful segment of the show.
ReplyDeleteHe could have won the title at Wrestlemania, have a happy ending to the feud, prove black people actually can win a title, and then have Hunter screw him over in the rematch the next month.
ReplyDeleteExactly.
ReplyDeleteWhile we're at it, let's go back and have Ron Simmons carry Harley Race and Super Invader's bags to the back instead of cleaning house and have Virgil give Dibiase a blowjob instead of hitting him with the Million Dollar Belt.
Paying off a race bating angle with a pretty blatant burial job at the biggest show of the year strikes me as terrible booking if nothing else.
They totally squandered Jericho following Fully Loaded. He had a hot feud with Benoit but they gave them 13 minutes in a 2/3 falls setting.
ReplyDeleteBut he wasn't the Number 1 guy on Raw. Austin and Rock were clearly the big feud on Raw. Triple H losing to him on Raw and blading was good, but in the end Triple H won the feud proving he was right when he said people like Booker don't win world titles.
ReplyDeleteProblem with HHH is that he never laid down for Jericho. Austin laid down for them in that tag team match. Hebner did the fast count when Jericho "won" the title. Jericho was playing third fiddle to Stephanie and her dog in the wrestlemania 18 match.
ReplyDeleteJericho beat Rock and Austin multiple times (yes with help); HHH never laid down for Jericho.
The previous Wrestlemania he wrestled Edge over shampoo. There have been several black champions such as Rock and Ron Simmons.
ReplyDeleteWrestleMania X-8 was just mind boggling. You have Triple H who was still mightily over as a babyface returning. You had Jericho as talented and charismatic as they came, and their feud is based on Steph and Hunter pretty much. His whole title reign Jericho was treated as an afterthought.
ReplyDeleteRock and Austin didn't treat Booker and RVD like jobbers when they worked with them.
ReplyDeleteMaybe, but it's counter productive. After Ziggler won the ladder match, they could've left things alone and Cena would've been strong. Instead, they immediately jobbed Zig back to Cena in embarrassing fashion. I have a hard time believing that Cena doesn't have the clout to tell Vince and HHH to simply move him to another feud and let Ziggler have that win so when he wins the title from Rock, you have an instant feud ready to go. Either Cena has no clout with Vince (unlikely), he's an ass about wanting to look strong (no one really knows) or he's stupid about how the wrestling business works (very possible).
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes to Rock/Cena 2, I'm willing to bet Cena has little say or power. I have a hard time believing Cena telling them he has to crush upper mid card guys in 2 minutes every week. That reeks of Vince logic.
ReplyDelete"Price check on Jack Ass on aisle two, that's aisle two."
ReplyDeleteHe jumped into that feud to salvage it due to Nash's medical issue.
ReplyDeleteNow, that doesn't defend why he undercut Punk during that feud and why it slowly morphed to a HHH-Nash feud when Nash returned. It killed a lot of Punk's heat. So in a way, you're right.
That was awesome. And I wouldn't call that Austin treating him like a jobber.
ReplyDeleteOh, me neither. My quote was a way to praise what I consider one of the best "stupid", yet great segments in the history of Raw.
ReplyDeleteUh, The Rock?
ReplyDeleteNah I totally agree.
ReplyDeleteJericho was enjoyable as a goofy delusional mid-card heel. He had good matches, and his catchphrases were fun. But honestly, he looked too ridiculous, and was was too much of a cartoon character to be a main-eventer.
Sound familiar?
Im sorry but Jericho is nothing special to me.
ReplyDeleteSolid hand in the ring. Great mic worker. but doesnt have the intangibles of a Rock or a Hogan.
So throwing him in the same boat as them is laughable.
Jericho is not in the same league as those to.Those are transcendent stars. Jericho is not.
So while I feel Jericho had some times where he was obviously held back, I also believe there were alot of times, where he should have been jobbed.
Wasnt Orton a very special project of Vince's for may many years?
ReplyDeleteWasnt RVD from ECW and not a creation of Vince's?
Hogan's heel turn was a thing of brilliance. His act was getting stale and the Hall and Nash defection set up a perfect device to make the turn. The problem was poor booking later on.
ReplyDelete1) Cena is an acquaintance of mine from his days working for UWF here in Southern California. He's a really nice, down to earth guy who (sorry for the cliche) really respects the business and its history. He clearly has a great look and was fast tracked, but they guy paid his dues.
ReplyDelete2) My biggest problem with Cena is the cartoonish white rapper gimmick. I'm not saying he should have stayed with the Prototype gimmick, but he would have been much better served by doing something different.
3) Cena is a product of his times. The classic heel/face went away with Austin 3:16 and was demolished with the Attitude Era. That said, if they are going to stick with this PG-era garbage to support Linda's political career, they might be better served to go back to more clearly defined heel/face dynamics.
Anyway, Cena is incredibly misused and should draw FAR more money than he does. He has a great look and charisma and could easily benefit from being booked more like Orndorf was, just with even more charisma.
In some ways, they are all chasing Hogan and probably will never get back to that. The '80s were the Golden Age for a reason - MMA didn't exist and kayfabe still held some weight. Also, to say The Rock succeeded in ways Hogan could only dream of is kind of short-sighted. Hogan made a bunch of bad movies too, and made ridiculous money.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair to Hogan, what are you gonna run as a main event - Hogan/friggin' Rodman or Goldberg vs. Curt Hennig?
ReplyDeleteJericho is sometimes tremendous, but yeah... he was never going to be 'the guy.' Not when you had Angle, Rock, Austin and HHH around.
ReplyDeleteHart was far more over than Hunter ever has been, and was a much better worker. Hart just happened to get his shot when the WWF was in complete disaray, largely due to the steroid mess. They are both fairly one-dimensional talkers, though Hart hit a stride at the end with the Pro-Canada/Anti-American angle, and both good workers, with Hart being a star on work rate. Hart also could play an out and out face or evil heel in a far stronger way than what HHH does. HHH is always a heel, just being a little nicer when he turns face.
ReplyDeleteGoldberg had one incredible push. He wasn't a good worker and the work he did was sloppy and hurt people. He couldn't talk. He had his one way to be booked - as a monster - and ran with it.
ReplyDeleteWell, at least Hunter is in shape :-P
ReplyDeleteRock has never been marketed as a black champion, with the Samoan end always being played up more.
ReplyDeleteJericho has the same problem Benoit did - size. The only time a small guy got the top spot was Michaels in the steroid trial era. Even Hart was probably 3 inches taller and 20-30 pounds heavier.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Jericho was legit over in the top spot when he unified the belts because they played him a bit more seriously.
Foley was the epitome of mid-card until very late in his career.
ReplyDeleteThe year is 2004 and this thread is really really edgy...
ReplyDeleteThe Rock beat him with a roll-up at Survivor Series - that's jobber status if anything is. He also beat him for the WCW title at Summerslam.
ReplyDeleteDid you really want to see Booker T as the top guy? Heel HHH wasn't my favorite either, but I'd much rather have gotten the Goldberg chasing Evolution storyline than whatever we would have gotten with Booker T as the top face in the company. (probably spinaroonis and worse ratings)
You run Goldberg vs Hogan as a rematch. and then save the Rodman deal for next month.
ReplyDeleteBut what sense does that make? Rodman was already announced for Bash, Leno was likely being negotiated with for the August PPV. Goldberg winning was not part of a long-term strategy, it was thrown together last minute. And serving Hogan to Goldberg again less than three weeks later doesn't work at all - either Golldberg beats Hogan twice, which would make Hogan sympathetic, or Hogan ends the streak and Goldberg turns into Ryback.
ReplyDeleteNo, the smart money was on Hogan and Goldberg never meeting again. Goldberg wasn't shrewd enough to deal with Hogan politically, and Hogan getting a rematch at Starccade only works if Hogan is the babyface gunning for gold.
what sense does it make?
ReplyDeletemoney.
in a perfect world hogan jobs twice. it wouldnt make him sympathetic it would make goldberg a fucking monster.
but thats perfect.
in a more perfect world Goldberg get put over hogan at starrcade 98 and goes on a tear in 99.
Oh please. Hart is the most overrated ever. He's a midcard talent in a successful promotion and a headliner in a shitty one. That's just facts. Sell your excuses some place else.
ReplyDeleteI saw the rumour that someone had but I'm still sceptical of the follow up that it was Cena
ReplyDeleteI think the idea was to pair Punk up with guys who could hold their own verbally. HHH made me laugh but Nash looked lost
ReplyDelete**** 1/2
ReplyDeleteIn a way???? Huntor killed that angle to get heat for himself. Yeah what a great guy to step in and beat punk and naah
ReplyDeleteYeah, he had good days LATER ON...
ReplyDelete...instead of right then and there when he was one of the hottest acts on Raw not named the Rock or Stone Cold. Form Christ's sake, Rock was willing to put over Booker until he heard that Triple H was just going to squash Booker at Mania.
No he's an asshole
ReplyDeleteHogan's movies didn't make any money though, and had to continue wrestling. Rock, on the other hand, was making good money doing films, and didn't even consider doing it full time until one Bruce Willis convinced him to.
ReplyDeleteFair. lol
ReplyDeleteYep. Road Wild was always a throw-away Hogan lovefest, so let the celebs sell THAT show, while Goldberg-Hogan headlines Bash
ReplyDeleteEven with Hogan jobbing twice, they could have had the finish chock full of run-ins. Have the nWo, Rodman, Malone, DDP all get involved to set up Road Wild's celeb main event, with Goldberg sneaking in a spear during the mayhem.
ReplyDeletePerhaps Scott Steiner? Last man standing in the b/w nWo stomping out the red/yellow Hogan to start his monster run earlier?
ReplyDeleteYeah, it's a fair point. No saying how well Booker would have done. I think RVD should have been the guy beating Hunter at Wrestlemania anyway.
ReplyDeleteAs one of the biggest Scott Steiner fans, I 100% accept this.
ReplyDeleteYep. Goldberg was all booking, no talent. He's not a guy who gets over with ANY other kind of push or presentation. A monster who doesn't talk, squashes everyone on the roster, and never loses....that's the only way the dude gets over like he did.
ReplyDeleteWith Jericho headlining in Toronto, no less. Sad
ReplyDeleteIn retrospect it sucked, but I can see the reasoning behind it. Hunter, the character, ratfucks a victory without doing much. Theoretically, it makes us want to see Goldberg kill him even more in a one-on-one setting. It just didn't play out well
ReplyDeleteThis is still one of the funniest things I've ever seen in wrestling
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