The SmarK RAW Rant – 02.25.13
Happy 8th anniversary to me! I guess I have a very patient wife for putting up with 3 hours of this show every week.
Live from Dallas,TX
Your hosts are Michael Cole & Jerry Lawler
Paul Heyman v. Vince McMahon
This is apparently a “fight” and not a match, and Heyman cuts a lengthy promo on Vince before attacking him and breaking the crutch on his hip. Vince makes his comeback, but HERE’S BROCK. And then of course, COO-In-Law saunters out to make the save. See, he’s still got the corporate haircut, but he’s wearing leather jackets again, so you know he means business. And they have a pretty hellacious brawl at ringside, with Brock WEARING THE CRIMSON MASK after a trip to the post, before coming back with an F5 on the table. Brock grabs a chair and goes for the kill, but HHH gets it and chases him off. Well that was quite the opening. They went minimalist with the storytelling and it was awesome.
Dolph Ziggler v. Ryback
Ryback throws Ziggler around while Cole relates Ryback’s riveting workout routine. Apparently he hits tires with sledgehammers to stay in shape. Did anyone clear that backstory with HHH? Ryback gets a powerslam and chops away in the corner, then cuts off a comeback with a shoulderbreaker to send Ziggler to the floor as we take a break. Back with Ryback hitting a delayed suplex to put Ziggler on the floor again, and finally Big E lays out Ryback to end the carnage. Back in, Ryback ignores the damage and continues beating on Ziggler until finally Dolph counters a powerslam with a DDT for two. Dolph with the sleeper, but Ryback drops him to escape and poor Dolph keeps bumping like a pinball for him. Ryback gets rid of Big E and hits Dolph with the spinebuster, and the Shellshock finishes at 11:11. Ziggler got almost ZERO offense here. *1/2
CM Punk joins us to POINT AT THE SIGN. He has a thousand ways to tell us he’s the best in the world and an immortal and GOD, and yeah, that’s the whole segment.
Mark Henry v. The Great Khali
Slugfest to start and Henry goes down and “CM Punk Is God” is now trending. Gotta love it. Henry comes back and finishes with the SLAM at 1:18. That’s about right. DUD
Fandango debuts on Smackdown. Well he’s dead in the water.
MizTV with Alberto Del Rio and Jack Swagger. Uncle Zeb goes on his “illegal aliens are bad” rant and this is SO FUCKING STUPID. If there’s one thing I really don’t watch this show for, it’s political commentary. We had enough of that with Linda’s campaign sucking up airtime. Anyway, they talk extensively about land ownership in Mexico (no, really) and this is supposed to make me want to see them FIGHT. Yeah. Because somebody somewhere said that America is WHACK and Del Rio isn’t gonna stand for it.
Antonio Cesaro v. Randy Orton
Hey, ANOTHER match between them where Cesaro will do the clean job, that’s terrific. Cesaro works a headlock and throws forearms as they announce OLD SCHOOL RAW next week. I am legitimately pumped about that. Cesaro gets a gutwrench for two, but Orton comes back with the clotheslines and a powerslam to set up the draping DDT, but Cesaro counters with the necksnap. Orton misses a charge, but finishes with the RKO for the millionth time at 3:00. Orton looks even less motivated than usual. I’ll ask again: Why do they even BOTHER having secondary titles if they’re just used as jobbers anyway? *1/2
Meanwhile, Kane and Bryan agree to work together tonight and argue their way into wrestling blindfolded and with one hand behind their back tonight.
Sheamus is out to complain about the Oscars snubbing Wade Barrett for his role in whatever movie that is, because we haven’t had enough fucking movie trailers tonight, and this is apparently supposed to make me want to see them fight at Wrestlemania. Barrett comes out to disparage the Irish, and runs away from a Brogue Kick.
R-Truth v. Cody Rhodes
A tag team feud between two teams that broke up! And why did we never get the Rhodes Scholars v. Hell No blowoff featuring Bryan’s beard v. Cody’s mustache? Anyway, Cody pounds Truth down with knees while Cole accuses the Scholars of being gay for each other. Truth catches Cody with…uh…something and pins him clean at 2:22. Jesus, Cody is randomly jobbing to botched spots now? ½* What the fuck did this poor guy DO?
Kane & Daniel Bryan v. The Primetime Players
So Bryan is blindfolded and Kane has one hand tied behind his back as a result of their braggadocio. These guys have been tag champions for SIX MONTHS now and this what we’re reduced to? This gives us some “hilarious” comedy from Bryan as he tries to find Titus (who wrestles with his whistle now), but falls victim to a Young suplex for two. Bryan bails to the floor and accidentally decks Kane, but he tags himself in and chokeslams Young at 3:30 anyway. Terrible. DUD
The Shield is out to cut a promo about their winning ways and issue an open challenge. This brings out Sheamus, apparently working double feud duty tonight. See, before he was WACKY COMEDIAN SHEAMUS and now he’s tough guy fighter Sheamus. And while he’s talking, Randy Orton hits Rollins with an RKO.
Jack Swagger v. The Miz
This was set by an angle on the WWE app, because of course it was and it’s 2013 and now we have to type sentences like that with a straight face. Swagger quickly destroys him with a belly to belly on the floor and knees in the corner, and he grabs a hold on the mat. Swaggerbomb gets two and he goes to the armbar, then cuts off a comeback attempt with a powerslam. Look, I’m not a fan of the Swagger/Zeb whatever right now, but Swagger should running through dudes like a crazy man, not trading holds with fucking Miz in hour three. Miz comes back and hits his corner clothesline and double axehandle for two. Sunset flip gets two. Swagger goes for the leg and finishes with the again renamed Patriot Lock at 7:11. They seem to think this act is something special, but the crowd is bored with the same old Swagger matches and it just doesn’t have the heat it should for something getting this kind of push. *1/2 If anything, Zeb has all the heat here, not Swagger.
John Cena is BACK. Because, you know, apparently he left there for a while.
CM Punk v. John Cena
Cole notes that this is about how Cena is unable to beat Punk in a big match, starting with the Monday in the Bank match last year. You mean that match he won? Yeah, he failed to win the title, but he won the match by DQ. Punks works a headlock, but gets hiptossed to the floor as we take a break. Back with Punk hitting a neckbreaker for two and a headscissors, but Cena escapes with an electric chair and bulldog for two. Cena with the headlock now as Cole points out that Cena is a 10 time WWE champion, the MOST IN HISTORY mind you, to really build up what an underdog he is. Punk runs him into the railing and we take another break. Back with Cena making the comeback, but Punk counters into the Anaconda Vice, which Cena reverses for two. Punk with a neckbreaker for two. Springboard clothesline gets two. Another try is countered into the STF, but Punk slips into the Vice instead, and Cena turns that into crossface, which Punk rolls over for two. I was just thinking to myself “You know, a great way to build sympathy for John Cena is to give him Chris Benoit’s finisher.” They slug it out and Cena gets the shuffle, but Punk reverses to the GTS and then cradles for two off that. Cena and Punk trade finisher attempts before Cena busts out a straight powerbomb for two in an interesting twist. Cena to the top and Punk cuts him off, but Cena gets the guillotine legdrop for two. Punk hits the high kick and running knee in the corner, but walks into the FU for two. Thought that was the finish. They head to the floor and Punk sends him into the post, but Cena sprints back in at 9. Punk with the GTS for two. Another try is countered into the STF, but Punk makes the ropes. This crowd is just losing their shit for this. Punk goes old school with the PILEDRIVER for two. That was an awesome Orndorff style one, too. Punk frustratedly works the count and goes up, but misses the flying elbow, and Cena hits a CENA-CANRANA and finishes with the FU at 27:23. So there’s a match of the year contender for ya. WOW. Both guys varied the moveset with spectacular results, the drama was off the charts, and that pretty much saved the show in as big a fashion as you can. ****3/4
The Pulse
If you’re watching this one on DVR, fast forward after the awesome opening angle, all the way to the Punk-Cena match, and you’re golden. The rest was crap, but what a payoff for sitting through it all. Of course, aside from the two title matches, there is absolutely zero direction for Wrestlemania, like NOTHING, but I guess selling PPV is a minor point these days.
What a great main event, though I have to wonder what the fuck people are thinking who accused it of being better than MiTB 2011.
ReplyDeleteI believe Cena beat Punk mostly clean on Raw in late 2012 also. I love how they don't even bother acknowledging stuff that happened on their own show yet still try to argue with people when the fans are called stupid.
ReplyDeleteMITB literally had my panicked that Punk would lose and screaming at my TV while watching it. It would take a pretty fucking great match to eclipse that experience, and this wasn't it.
ReplyDeleteBest Raw match since Austin/HHH vs. Benoit/Jericho. This blew away HHH/Shawn in 03, and I dare say it beats Shawn/Cena in 07.
ReplyDeleteThat match had better be a Bluray extra...
ReplyDeleteVIKING SPACE LORD BROCK LESNAR: A SONG OF BLOOD LUST & BABY SEAL CLUBBING.
ReplyDeleteViking Space Lord Brock Lesnar sits on his throne of decay, bored out of his mind, ripping the limbs off the insect known as the Miz. Suddenly, Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar's nuclear coated nostrils are attacked by a waft of bullshit coming through the Portal of Genocide.
Our Lord Savior of Rage Fucking peers through and is offending by the sight of a walrus-cripple play date. Brock Lesnar steps in the Portal, and signals to the undeserved mouth slaves that he will correct this miscarriage of violence. Stepping through the ropes, into his office of death, The Song of the Coward hits.
Amused that The Great Coward of our Time has finally appeared, Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar goes out to take the fight to this heathen. Getting bored of the Coward's make believe punches, Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar decides to run head first into a steel ring post.
With the boner inducing blood flowing from his skull, Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar decides to dive after Lillian Garcia. Annoyed that the Coward had interrupted his rape party, he decides to end it. Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar hoists up the Coward for The Straightened Coat Hanger, The Albino Super Space Destroyer, The Death by Dragon Rape, The Matt Hardy, The Gorilla Gun Kata, The H.G.H Wells' War of the Worlds, aka THE MUTHAFUCKIN' F-5!!!!!!
Depressed that the Coward could not put up more of a fight, Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar decides to hand him a chair and head back home to the Land of Rage Kills & Death Rattles. Before he heads back through the Portal of Genocide, Viking Space Lord Brock Lesnar turns one last time to look upon the Coward. The image of a so easily obtained skull fuck brings a smile that would give a Bald Eagle an erection graces the face of our Lord. This coward will die on April 7th.
Tonight was like the SEC championship.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he did. Not in a singles match anyway, maybe a tag match. I believe he's beaten Punk before pre MitB 2011 (I only forget because there could have been a DQ involved, I know Cena faced Punk before WM n2n7 on TV and I thought he won clean) but I don't think he ever pinned Punk or made him submit in a singles match since then. I could be mistaken, but I don't think so.
ReplyDeleteAlso, for what it's worth, I really have no problem with them expressing the idea that Cena didn't beat Punk at the MitB cash in. I know he technically did and I know the argument of "Cena CAN'T beat Punk" when he essentially had him beat there is shaky, but the point was Cena could not take the title from Punk. Acting like he won the match in the way they were saying is the equivalent of Lex Luger celebrating his amazing countout win against Yokozuna.
It had nothing on Melina vs. Alicia Fox.
ReplyDeleteI submit to you all that Triple H now looks less like Sean Bean and more like Jeremy Renner. Upgrade or downgrade?
ReplyDeleteHappy anniversary to Scott & Jodi. He of the Smark, and she of the best Bob Holly insult ever ("Don't hurt my Grampa!").
ReplyDeleteYep it was November 12. Apparently Punk tried to walk out and ran into Ryback so he went back into the ring for an AA from Cena for the pin. Match ran about 14:00.
ReplyDeleteRemember when people thought Swagger would get pulled from the WM title match for his DUI arrest? How does THREE JACK SWAGGER SEGMENTS sound?
ReplyDeleteIt's probably the best TV match I've seen in years. Can't think of anything that can really touch it.
ReplyDeleteYou only forget because you're a rambling dunderhead.
ReplyDeleteWhen DID the US and IC titles start getting used to just signify who the company's top jobbers are? I want to say it maybe started with Shelton Benjamin?
ReplyDeleteThere was that one match late 2011 after Del Rio had cashed in his briefcase where Punk took on Cena to determine who would face ADR for the title first. Nash distracted Punk from the stage and Cena hit the FU. That's nearly clean, right?
ReplyDeleteYeah fucking piece of shit. That cocksucker. Piece of garbage.
ReplyDeleteYeah, you're absolutely right, I remember that now. Apparently WWE forgot too.
ReplyDeleteOh.
ReplyDeleteDOUCHE CHILLS
ReplyDeleteMouth full of ham steaks and mapl syrip. Tugging on your flaccid pud.
ReplyDeleteThat Punk Vs Cena match was incredible.
ReplyDeleteLike Cena and Edge those two just have incredible chemistry. Great matches every time out. Loved the storyline of them second guessing each others offence every step of the way
Only regret is that this match wasn't headlining Wrestlemania as it would have been a main event for the ages. I'm loving Rock being back but his recent performances suggest his match with Cena won't hold a candle to Punks'
And the pile driver shouldn't have been used unless it was to finish it. It's been a banned move for so long you could hear the crowd gasp when Punk hit it. Kind of kills the mystique of it for Cena to kick out.
But that's nit picking. Awesome match. Didn't have the atmosphere of MITB but I think I maybe liked the match more
If they want to run with Cena-Punk for the next four months after Mania I will be happy to sit through the matches.
ReplyDeleteCena beat Punk in a #1 Contender's match to see who would face Alberto Del Rio at Night of Champions 2011, I believe.
ReplyDeleteI'll go with Benoit/Michaels from Phoenix, but this had a much, MUCH better finish, so there ya go.
ReplyDeleteThere's no denying it was an excellent match but honestly what was the point of it? Job Punk out 1 more time? Cena already won the Rumble. Super babyface Rock vs. Super babyface Cena for the Super Intergalactic Babyface World title isn't really all that interesting.
ReplyDeleteApparently, Vince is tired of Punk/Cena.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I'd say it blew away HHH/Shawn from 03. They are close but I wouldn't go as far as blew away.
ReplyDeleteI think the piledriver was used perfect in this match. I even bought it as the finish and it worked to perfection.
ReplyDeleteAs cool as the opening brawl was, it doesn't change the fact that Lesnar vs HHH is a complete waste of time. What is the point of HHH getting that spot, nevermind an eventual WIN over Brock Lesnar? I mean, just imagine if instead of Triple H in that spot, the exact same segment occurred with Sheamus coming out and kicking the shit out of Lesnar. Or Ryback. WWE would have created a giant new star. Instead, Sheamus and Ryback spend their time having throwaway segments with Ziggler and Barrett. And then they'll act surprised when Sheamus and Ryback (and Bryan and Ziggler and Cesaro and so on) can't draw shit as PPV headliners. WWE keeps blowing opportunities to make new stars, and instead always defines them down below the part-timers.
ReplyDeleteThis Mania really feels like the apex of WWE taking a shit on the idea of putting over the new guard.
Not as good as MITB 2011. I think it was better than their Summerslam 2011 match(a great match as well.) Hell of a match.
ReplyDeleteMeh. This isn't going to be Lesnar's last match ever. Probably a really good chance we will see Lesnar/Sheamus and Lesnar/Ryback at some point.
ReplyDeleteBenoit/Michaels, Jericho/Benoit vs. Power Trip, TLC III, Benoit vs. Austin, and Triple H vs. Shawn. Those are the matches off the top of my head I'd put over this. Still in exclusive company. Damn near ***** tv match. Punk-Ziggler is also damn close.
ReplyDeletePossibly, but why have that happen after Lesnar's already eaten a loss to HHH? I just don't see any benefit at all to putting Triple H in this spot. Cena/Rock and Lesnar vs ANYONE is what sells this show, not Triple H. Plugging SHeamus or Bryan or Ryback into his spot draws the same number of buys, and has the benefit of actually elevating one of their full-timers up to the big leagues.
ReplyDeleteIt just blows me away that Triple H has a killer, serious angle set up for himself at Mania, meanwhile pretty much all the new guys (Sheamus, Ryback, Bryan, Sandow, Cesaro, Shield, Ziggler) either have zero direction or are on their way to heatless matches against one another.
Why is it fact that HHH is winning here? He has done a ton of jobs at Mania in the past, so maybe he does another. And so what if he wins? If they give us a great match, that should be enough.
ReplyDeleteWhy do we need to see Lesnar put over a guy like Sheamus or even some other youngster? Is that going to validate anything or anybody? If I see Sheamus beat Lesnar, Im gonna all of a sudden become a Sheamus mark?
I just want good matches rather than seeing some guy get a torch passed to him that he will probably be jobbing away on Raw the following week anyway.
HHH is the one with the killer, serious angle with Lesnar. You can't just plug somebody else in that role and expect it to have the same impact.
ReplyDeleteIf Lesnar beats the holy hell out of HHH like he did Cena and eats the loss, nobody is going to care. People dont remember that Cena/Lesnar match as Lesnar doing the job, they remember it as Cena getting the shit beat out of him.
ReplyDeleteZacK Ryder is driving drunk with a pound of weed in the car as we speak.
ReplyDeleteI think it was a better wrestled match. There were a few botches in the 2011 match and this one was clean, had a wider moveset.
ReplyDeleteBut to me wrestling is about more than that. Like Scott said, MITB I actually bought the PPV and was scared out of my mind they were going to have Punk tap out to Cena and that would be it. By the end I was biting on everything. This was a better wrestled match and I thought for a second that maybe the piledriver was the finish but I just didn't get into it as much.
Khali has a few that might touch it
ReplyDeleteIf we get Sheamus/Barrett @ WM, can we all agree it trumps Booker T/Edge as the match with the absolutely stupidest basis ever? At least the shampoo stuff sort of fit in with both Booker and Edge's goofy personas.
ReplyDeleteFAN
ReplyDeleteDAN
GO AWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Monday in the Bank?
ReplyDelete"I don't like Mondays... in the bank."
"Just another manic Monday... in the bank."
Triple H comes out at some point and says "I can't beat Brock Lesnar, but there's one guy I've fought before who's sure as hell tough enough to take him on." Cue Sheamus' music. Cue bloody brawl.
ReplyDeleteThe point is, HHH has that killer serious angle because they planned it out that way. My point is, it seems that the only guys who ever get those kind of angles are Triple H, Taker, HBK, etc. Meanwhile the non-legacy guys have to make due with pooping in one another's stolen cars and having 8-man tags about who gets to be the GM. If they wanted to elevate the Rybacks and Sheamuses of the world into killer, heat-getting angles with the made stars, they could. But they don't, and I don't understand why.
Like I said in the live thread, this year's WM just might have the least anticipation going into it in recent memory.
ReplyDeleteSomeone mentioned I think 25 and 27, but I would disagree on both counts. 25 had a strong Orton/HHH angle (even though the match stunk), Taker/HBK, Steamboat returning to the ring, and (for me, at least) Hardy vs. Hardy. And 27, even though it's nothing novel now, had the return of the Rock, Snooki and Trish, HHH/Taker, the novelty of Lawler vs. Cole (with the addition of Austin) and the intrigue of "wait, Miz is in the main event?"
Punk/Taker could have the intrigue, but so far everything else is meh b/c it's a rematch or b/c it's nothing special.
HoF class is looking good, though.
That's because HHH doesn't have to rely on writers. I'm sure if most guys spoke up and pitched their own shit, they wouldn't be reduced to stealing cars.
ReplyDeleteSpeak for yourself.
ReplyDeleteSure, it's not a formula of "Sheamus beats Lesnar so now everyone is a Sheamus fan." But I think it's crazy to say that it's inconsequential as to A) Whether making new stars is important, or B) That a huge star putting somebody over has no effect on making said new star.
ReplyDeleteIt's not just that Sheamus (and I've been using him as the example--- this could apply to other guys) needs to beat Lesnar. It's that WWE needs to bring Sheamus up to that level, and give him a really important serious Mania feud if they ever expect people to take him seriously as a true main eventer.
Stone Cold got truly over when he was mixing it up with Bret Hart in a serious, main event level feud. (And then got super over when they had him brawl with Mike Tyson.) Look back at all the top level stars, and there was a point when WWE pulled the trigger and mad them the focus of the real top level feuds against other main event stars. (Hell, what made CM Punk a true top star? When he had the top program against Cena, was the focus of the company, and won the match.)
And my feeling is that WWE just doesn't do that anymore. They don't pull the trigger on making new stars, especially at Mania time. They just have the part-timers fight amongst themselves, and have the regular guys fight eachother in what is clearly marketed as the severe undercard. And sure, Triple H and Lesnar might have a good match (though the Summerslam match wouldn't give that indication), but then come the following week, what's the result? Both guys are gone, and the full-timers look like a bunch of pretenders in comparison.
I just think that the part-timers could be a great resource in terms of bringing the new guys up to their level, and WWE absolutely refuses to do it.
So if Kofi Kingston pitched an idea of "build up the toughest monster heel on the roster, have him insult my family and then break my arm. Then a few months later I come back, we have a wild brawl and I split his head open, and we have a serious grudge match at Wrestlemania", the WWE bookers would make it so? Triple H has that angle not because he's a creative guy, but because he can say whatever he wants and make it so.
ReplyDeleteI think the finish to Punk/Cena was a foregone conclusion, but it didn't stop me from getting into the match at all. These two are magic together and tonight was an incredible match. Punk busting out the piledriver made me gasp and Cena hitting a frankensteiner was so awesome. So many of the near falls had me on the edge of my seat. It's a shame the Wrestlemania main event will probably be half as good.
ReplyDeleteNo. But if a year ago, Kofi started pitching his own shit, writing his own promos and took more control of his career, it wouldn't be so ridiculous when he does pitch that angle.
ReplyDeleteDude, this Sheamus/Barrett stuff is just awful. The segment tonight honestly felt like it was designed to turn Sheamus heel and Wade into a face. You had Sheamus out there acting like a smarmy prick, picking on the guy for no reason. Had Wade come out and kicked his ass, that crowd would have popped for him.
ReplyDeleteOther than when it comes to the legacy stars, the WWE just has no grip on how to book and present faces anymore.
Punk and Stone Cold had their fans way before Cena or Hart put em over.
ReplyDeleteAs I explained in another thread the other night, WWE is very careful with who they push to the top because you look at some of the guys in the past that made the company look terrible. Guys like RVD, Orton, Hardy were all over and given their chance only to run into drug issues.
Then you have the other part of it, build people up like Lesnar, Lashey or Batista that wind up leaving after WWE puts the WWE machine behind em to make em.
Is it bad business to have Lesnar lose? Sure. But there are some performers like Brock where wins and losses do not matter, it's all about the show they put on. Look at Bryan, he jobbed in seconds last year and we were all pissed, Id say he became a bigger star because of it.
You dont need a top guy to lay down for you, you need to connect with the fanbase.
This is my point with HHH/Lesnar match, we all know the winner but if they give us some crazy match of the year candidate will we really mad that Brock isnt in there jobbing to Dolph Ziggler?
ReplyDeleteDid Zack Ryder pitch that spare tire angle after he took control or was that somebody else that came up with that?
ReplyDeleteIm not sure why Sheamus is in two different angles either. Just stick him in a 6 man tag at Mania vs the Shield and stop this awful angle.
ReplyDeleteWell listen, neither of us have any idea how much leeway guys have of actually booking their own characters and promos. I'd wager that the problem isn't that everyone in the undercard is lazy and uncreative, its more that WWE just doesn't go all the way with anyone other than the legacy stars, or at least they haven't over the last few years.
ReplyDeleteSO are you saying that amongst all the younger midcard guys— Sheamus, Sandow, Cesaro, Ryback, Ziggler, Cody, Daniel Bryan etc—the problem is that they aren't pitching creative stuff? That they're promos are lacking? From what we are able to see, lots of those guys are doing killer work with their characters and in the ring. Yet come Mania time, they're all gonna be shoved into multi-man matches, or singles matches against eachother, and anything they do won't get a fraction of the build that Lesnar/HHH gets. And again, to me, WWE is missing a chance to really elevate someone to, take someone new and say "THIS GUY IS REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT."
WWE is basically taking another generation of wrestlers and defining them down below Undertaker and Triple H and company. And I think that's bad longterm business, and more importantly to me it's less interesting as a viewer.
I sure don't remember that match for that. I remember it for "WTF Brock LOST??" If Brock had, you know, won, then yeah, I'd remember it for Cena getting the shit beat out of him. I'd view it much the same way I do the Lesnar-HHH match, only much, much stronger since Cena-Lesnar was a million times of a better match.
ReplyDeleteYoure going to care? Its going to ruin your evening?
ReplyDelete"SO are you saying that amongst all the younger midcard guys— Sheamus, Sandow, Cesaro, Ryback, Ziggler, Cody, Daniel Bryan etc—the problem is that they aren't pitching creative stuff? "
ReplyDeletelike you I don't know if that specifically the issue but when you look at a guy like punk he spent most of his time in the WWE pitching him self and creative ideas and eventually got him into a top spot in the company so maybe those guys aren't doing that after all
Why does it matter though? Why should WWE put over a guy that bailed on em over the face of their company?
ReplyDeleteI think Lesnar came out the winner in that match as it was unlike anything we ever saw before in a wrestling ring.
Why is Sheamus such a damn bully? I don't see how he can be perceived as the good guy most of the time. And now he's picking on Wade Barrett for no reason.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking Carlito. But Shelton works.
ReplyDeleteRight, but I think there's a difference between "being very careful of who you push to the top" because you're worried about drug or external issues, and just not pushing anyone to the very top because the legacy stars always have to be kept above the regular roster. And to me, WWE is currently doing the latter.
ReplyDeleteAnd as for your Daniel Bryan example. Right, Bryan has done amazing things and has gotten himself over based totally on his own skills & charisma. But is he treated like a true top level star? Is he being pushed anywhere near the level that his crowd reactions would seem to dictate? Not even close. WWE has a guy with major breakout potential, whom fans have taken to in a natural way, and look at where he is come Wrestlemania time: having a comedy match in a hood while Triple H gets to engage in another blood feud angle that got about 40 replays tonight. And that's the problem: they have these new guys whom should be the bedrock of the company, and they are never treated as true main event level players.
And I'd say the Stone COld example totally goes along with my point. Yes, Stone Cold had his fans before the Hart angle, but then the Hart angle took him to another level. Why? Because he was mixing it up in the main event with a made man. At Wrestlemania. He created a groundswell himself ("AUstin 3:16") but WWE had to actually go all the way with him to make him a big star. He had one of the greatest matches and angles of all time with Bret at Mania 13, and then beats the top star in the company for the title the following year. And bam, megastar.
Again, all I'm saying is that the undercard guys continue to seem like chumps at Mania season every year, and this Lesnar/HHH feud is the worst example of it.
We all talk about how the NY crowd is gonna shit all over the finishes of the matches, my question is will they if they're all ***1/2-***** matches?
ReplyDeleteSwagger should get to sending the fruit baskets to the respective right-wingers.
ReplyDeleteI think they will be too busy freezing their asses off to shit all over anything. Being outdoors the crowd isnt going to come off as crazy as it would at the Garden.
ReplyDeleteWhat would the right wingers want with Fandango?
ReplyDeleteMovie times?
ReplyDeleteI think the problem is that these guys are too scared to speak up. Definitely the problem with Ryder. He should have been bitching to Vince, not random twitter followers.
ReplyDeleteWhen it stopped elevating guys to the main event. Austin or Rocky's IC title reign is the last one that mattered. And maybe Orton's.
ReplyDeleteFrom the front office standpoint they have the perfect system: We can run things the way we want and if anyone steps out of line or speaks out we'll just job for the rest of your tenure here.
ReplyDeleteI mean if your someone like a Ziggler, who it looks like they MIGHT invest in in the future why permanently ruin it?
Maybe if Bryan came up with a better idea than teaming with Kane he would be facing Brock instead of being a slightly more over version of Santino.
ReplyDeleteYet people are still gonna show up droves to freeze their asses off and watch the same card from last year.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how much their on Glenn Beck's ass for what he said, yet internally that's probably how they feel about Wrestling fans and the business.
ReplyDeleteZiggler is a guy who should be telling WWE to go fuck themselves right now. Dude has nothing to lose and as far as I know, doesn't have a family to support.
ReplyDeleteI think WWE is finally starting to build some stars like Ryback, the Shield but they subscribe to the names selling Mania. I mean look at the numbers Mania did with Rock just hosting it.
ReplyDeleteWWE is pretty much doing the same thing Hollywood does, it is going with bankable stars. While I agree that they should be using the stars of the past to put over new talent, they seem to be more invested in having dream matches.
As far as Hart getting Stone Cold over, lets not forget that Stone Cold lost which tells you that if you tell a good enough story in the ring, you can lose and get over.
I just saw video of Cole over at Beck's studio's pestering them for an interview and I have to say, Cole did a great job and came off pretty likeable.
ReplyDeleteHe gets paid a lot of money to work 15 minutes a week on one of the highest rated shows on television. If he was Bret Hart, this may be a problem, anybody else would be happy with the work.
ReplyDeleteI'm actually picturing Ryder driving in circles, going 100mph trying to get pulled over. Hilarious. Thanks for that visual.
ReplyDeleteIts a bit different, only WM rematch is Rock/Cena and thats really not the worst thing in the world as Cena will make sure it is a watchable match.
ReplyDeleteIm not sure Punk/Taker is the best idea as I dont know if Taker will be able to hang with Punk. It might turn into Punk doing a bumpfest when Taker isnt doing a restfest on the floor...
But why go to Orlando when you're on the cusp of main eventing in the #1 Wrestling Company?
ReplyDeleteIt would be like Kobe opting to go the D-League in 1999.
If the last Rock/Cena match told us anything, it's that don't expect it to be better the second time around.
ReplyDeleteI'm interested as to what story they're gonna go with for Punk-Taker considering we're 5 weeks away and I assume Taker is gonna return next week.
Just because WWE tells me so and so is a main eventer, doesn't make it so. That is their problem. Somehow they got it into their head that they can just make new stars by telling the audience so and so is a star now. Nobody buys it.
ReplyDeleteThe Wrestling Gods did their best to prevent us from having to suffer through this terrible Swagger/Del Rio feud but Glenn Beck had to go and screw it all up. Thanks a lot, jerk.
ReplyDeleteObviously the current guys are buying it if they're sticking around. The fact WWE isn't latching on to these guys and pushing them to the moon is making these guys think that they can't make it if they decided to leave.
ReplyDeleteLook at what happened the last time(s) they pushed a guy to the moon not named John Cena, they left for greener pastures.
WWE is gonna milk this for it's worth. This is press Vince wants.
ReplyDeleteMy jaw was on the floor with that piledriver/hurricanrana. Thought I was dreaming.
ReplyDeleteHave to give props to Cole for his commentary, too. Really brought home the drama.
I'm talking about the fans buying it. Creative gives them no incentive to latch on to these guys on their way up and takes no blame when it fails.
ReplyDeleteSeeing a powerbomb and a piledriver in the main event made my night.
ReplyDeleteI think barrett is the feud he's padding out the time with, as much as i'd like to see a legit sheamus v barrett IC title program for WM, that feud will be over by next week.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, don't give me the whole "don't nitpick everything" spiel. I honestly don't give a shit because WWE fucks everything up and wastes opportunities left, right and centre. I just discuss it.
ReplyDeleteThat match's ending was the complete antithesis of what wrestling is supposed to be. When wrestling presents us with a linear story, like Brock vs. Cena which was nothing but "bad guy comes back and beats up babyface", there's two ways to do it: right or wrong. The right way is to have Brock kill Cena, and Cena eventually comes back and beats him. The wrong way is what happened.
If the match was so great, and it was, then imagine your favourite matches. Now imagine that whoever lost in those matches actually won, but in the last two minutes they won by shaking off the beating they had taken for twenty minutes and merely used their finisher.
Kinda ruins it, huh?
Thank God you don't like me or my work.
ReplyDeleteBryan will still probably never be a "real" main event worker as long as they promotion doesn't choose to portray him as one.
ReplyDeletenot everyone can do that just that easily.
ReplyDeleteremember that comic con panel that someone was referencing? Zack Ryder was being asked why he didn't bring the internet championship to the ring with him. he kinda answered that he was told not to do it. Punk, who was also there, then encouraged him to just do it (and added, that's what he would be doing). the difference: Punk was (if we believe in his story) already about to quit the WWE anyway because he didn't like the way thing were going for him. so he pretty much had nothing to lose.
Ryder should be in that position, not giving a fuck. It isn't like he has ton to lose.
ReplyDeleteabsolutely. now we all crap on WM27 but if you go back and read the comments many (maybe even most) people were excited for that potential Cena vs. Rock match.
ReplyDeleteIt's amazing how much more likeable anyone can be when they just get in the ring and bust their ass. Punk/Cena tonight proved to me that, lack of kayfabe and all, wrestling can still get a crowd going with awesome storytelling and more than the assigned number of moves each wrestler can do. The beginning and of this show were easy thumbs up, and I prefer not to think of the rest of the show.
ReplyDeletePeople love to forget how good a worker, john cena actually is. He got my full respect after getting a MOTYC out of umaga back in 07, I have plenty of problems with John Cena, his workrate is far from being one of them...I doubt anyone legitimately still thinks that John Cena is an actual bad "wrestler".
ReplyDeleteI have confidence that Taker would not be coming back if he felt that he couldn't steal the show again. I mean he got near 5 star matches with HHH, i can only wonder what he could do with CM Punk at the helm.
ReplyDeleteA lot of us reacted to WM27 the way WWE wanted us to react to it, completely ignorant of the actual PPV and buzzing about the potential Rock/Cena feud. They basically sacrificed an entire wrestlemania to build up WM28. To think we could have had Punk/Cena as the main event.
ReplyDeleteYeah i mentioned 25 and 27, in terms of anticipation you could be right, but in terms of quality i doubt you can do worst than 25 and 27 which were both 1 match shows. At the very least Cena and Rock are competent together and their match should be better than Miz/Cena or HHH/Orton. Although i do worry about the NJ/NY crowd's reactions to that main event.
ReplyDeleteLesnar has like 2 extra years in his extended contract, and I'm guessing about 3-4 matches in those 2 years. He's not going to waste any of them on sheamus and ryback, not when you have a match with the rock, a potential rematch with cena, a match with punk and a match with undertaker as possibilities.
ReplyDeleteI'm disappointed that we didn't get to find out what Muta scale Brock was...
ReplyDeleteNo, I mentioned Wrestlemania IX.
ReplyDeleteEverything in professional wrestling is a waste of time, until the wrestlers do something to make you care about it.
ReplyDeleteThey did about as good a job of setting up caring about Lesnar vs HHH as could be expected. This is legitimately a time where you should be letting things play out and see where they go.
Powerbomb, piledriver, and blood on the same RAW. Been a while since that's happened.
ReplyDeleteThat barely even rated. Early 90s Muta would be like "Hey, Nancy, here's a tampon to stop your embarrassing womanly blood coming from your tiny cut." But, you know, in Japanese, so it would probably lose impact when Brock couldn't understand him.
ReplyDeleteWas that a Benoit reference?
ReplyDeleteSo is that how punk got his push? Because he spent half his wwe career bitching to management to treat him better? It's a legit question, because you'd think after that others would have the balls to step up and fight for their careers. For all the shit people give Vince for favouring his own creations and big dudes, he's certainly given a lot to a skinny guy from the indies, so props all around for that.
ReplyDeleteI think it was more along the lines of Nancy = Wuss. Nancy-Boy, if you weel.
ReplyDeleteAs a Georgia fan and native, I can appreciate that comment.
ReplyDeleteThe WWE has spent the past few years going out of their way to show how family friendly and PG they are. So why do they spend 30 minutes hyping an R-Rated, super violent movie that none of their target audience would be allowed to watch?
ReplyDeleteSay what you like about his character, but anyone who says that Cena doesn't bust his ass as hard, or harder, than anyone else on the roster is full of it.
ReplyDeleteFantastic main event, but unfortunately I fear CM Punk will continue jobbing because now that the Undertaker is back, Punk will most likely get beat once again at Wrestlemania. So we get to see John Cena walk out as new champ, Undertaker's streak goes 21 - 0, and HHH will beat Brock Lesner. I thought Wrestlemania was about building and highlighting new stars. . .Wrestlemania 29 same as Wrestlemania 26. . .
ReplyDeleteSure the rest of the show sucked, (I left the room during the movie trailers out of sheer prinicple but the opener and main event were awsome so I went home happy :)
ReplyDeleteSilly idea, but maybe Sheamus-Barrett do a quick "respect" feud, and end up teaming with Ryback against Shield?
ReplyDeleteOne of the most memorable moments ever on Raw IMO. It was hilarious, but it killed Ryder.
ReplyDeleteSo was that the greatest ever Raw match? Mark Henry vs Great Khali I mean
ReplyDeleteI didn't know air bills could be paid in rupees. At least it had that going for it.
ReplyDeleteWhatever happened to Chris Jericho?
ReplyDeleteOk, I can agree to that. I mean why should I care that Dolph Ziggler is a MITB holder when he bumping like crazy for Ryback.
ReplyDeletePretty sure that was bested by all of the Mark Henry vs CM Punk trilogy matches.
ReplyDeleteYeah. I agree. There's an actual legitimate reason for the feud. It's not a particularly deep storyline but "You hurt me and then my father. Before you do more damage, I would like my revenge." works just fine for me. Plus there's an end date to the feud. It's either WM or it's Extreme Rules if they're going 2/3.
ReplyDeleteI guess he got his contractually-mandated title run so he can be job..
ReplyDelete...he might as well be the I-C or US champ.
Well.....I dont know if its better than that *********1/2 Punk v. Bryan classic from last year
ReplyDeletePunk/Cena was amazing. The best free TV match since....?? I can't think of anything in the past few years that has even come close to that.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what I marked out harder for, Cena's powerbomb or Punk's piledriver. Just an amazing match.
If Raw was 2 hours, this wouldve been a great show (I liked the Ziggler match, even if poor Ziggler jobs every week).
I had a big, stupid, Cena-Poopy joke grin on my face for most of that main event, what a phenomenal match.
ReplyDeleteFar
exceeded my expectations, and I would say from a pure wrestling
standpoint better then MITB. (I'll stick with Scott's ****3/4 for this
though and keep MITB at ***** due to the atmosphere/storyline)
Well, in this PG-era, that was a 10 on the Muta scale.
ReplyDeleteWhy would Sheamus attack Brock...
ReplyDeleteThe way it was set up it HAD to be HHH. He has the history with Brock and the history with Vince to get involved. The fuck does Sheamus care if Vince is beaten up? Now maybe you can justify including Miz since Miz was beaten up by Brock -- but Miz doesn't seem to give a shit, so there ya go.
Austin never got a clean pin over Bret, though. Or even a tainted one.
ReplyDeleteLike George Costanza trying to get fired from the Yankees.
ReplyDeleteI would pay my hard earned money to see CM Punk vs John Cena. It's always quality.
ReplyDeleteI really wish the piledriver had ended the match and then have Cena win by DQ because of it being banned. The crowd gasped really loudly, like they really bought that move as death and Cole sold it really well on commentary. You could follow this up with Punk having a legitimate gripe to continue his involvement in the title picture at some point and even do a mini injury angle with Cena (will he be able to go at Mania!?!?!?)
There's nothing wrong with the way it went down though. I just like the idea of having the piledriver as this untouchable, devastating move.
Best since Cena/Shawn in London, which I think was a tad better.
ReplyDelete"Punk and Stone Cold had their fans way before Cena or Hart put em over."
ReplyDeleteIndeed they did, but they weren't at that level yet. People forget that Austin wasn't much of ANYTHING before Bret beat him at Survivor Series. Bret established Austin just as much as Cena established Punk.
I thought Rock-Cena was really good.
ReplyDeleteProud of that one?
ReplyDeleteHe has a very steady paycheck to lose... I'm sure that this beats working a bunch of indy dates and maybe TNA try and make a living... at least financially speaking.
ReplyDeleteHe has himself to support... and probably likes the lifestyle that his current paycheck gives him much better than what he would get from the alternatives... I'm not saying it is the best thing for fans, and I certainly agree that he has every right to be pissed, but there is a point in adulthood where you will choose comfort and stability over the satisfaction of telling your boss to fuck himself because you don't like the way he treats you.
ReplyDelete^This. I hate a lot of stuff about my job also... but I can just say fuck it and quit because they pay me well and provide plenty of tangible and intangible benefits. I'm sure guys like Ryder and Ziggler feel the same way... and guys like Yoshi Tatsu are even more appreciative of what they have going for them.
ReplyDeleteBasically it is like a middle relief pitcher in baseball, you face 1 or 2 batters every few games, get to travel the country and make a couple of million a year.
I have zero sympathy for Zack Ryder. All he does is bitches and moans about how he used and doesn't have the balls to quit and go re-invent himself somewhere else. He created a character that had a Koko B. Ware ceiling and he acts shocked when he can't go higher.
ReplyDeleteJust an absolutely beautifully written piece of modern-day literature! It bought tears of blood-lust to my eyes and violence-induced throbbing erection to my groinal region! Good work!
ReplyDeleteThat's a pretty big "if", though - their last match together was only about 3*, and was STILL one of the best matches Trips has had in the last ten years.
ReplyDeleteExactly - "WM27" was nothing but a teaser for "WM28".
ReplyDeleteWe now know who's going to lead Cena to the ring at WM:
ReplyDeleteLil Poopy!
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/25/us/massachusetts-child-rapper-investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Taker would have made just as much sense.
ReplyDeleteYes, Trips is the most obvious guy to defend Vince, but Trips could have easily said something along the lines of "I may not be able to get the job done, but I know someone who can...", it easily could have segued into Taker/Brock. Not only does it tie back into Trips' losses to Taker last year, but it also has legs as Taker being the ultimate WWE icon, and Brock "not respecting the business".
Of course, that would mean that Trips would have to look weak, so, ya know.
Good call. So best free TV match in 5 1/2 years? Not too shabby.
ReplyDeleteScott, I think you forgot to mention the Rock's "promo tweet" at the end of the show.
ReplyDeleteIt actually made me laugh. Why remind the audience your movie star champion can't even show up?
I know, and I actually had WM IX in mind a bit when I made the original post. But someone else referenced 25 and 27, which I didn't entirely agree with.
ReplyDeleteTriple H comes out at some point and says "I can't beat Brock Lesnar,
ReplyDeletebut there's one guy I've fought before who's sure as hell tough enough
to take him on." Cue Sheamus' music. Cue bloody brawl.
While I agree in theory, using this example just makes me think of the reality: Sheamus put HHH on the shelf for a year, bragged about it for month, became KotR... and then HHH returned, put Sheamus through a table, and moved on to things he found more important, like Taker. I mean, after all, he had just easily dispatched of Sheamus through a table and all.
Just because WWE tells me so and so is a main eventer, doesn't make it so.
ReplyDeleteExcept for Miz.
He's a main eventer, you know.
I'm with you. I am beyond caring about wins and losses for the most part. It still hurts my heart to see guys I love job, but if I get to see a great match, I'm happy. Case in point: I really wanted Punk to win at the Rumble and No Way Out, but I enjoyed the hell out of both of his matches with the Rock either way. I'm never going to agree with every booking decision, but give me a great match and I'll be satisfied.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I definitely thought this match was better from a technical stand-point (no botches, pulling out rare/crazy moves), but didn't have the pure emotion of "MITB".
ReplyDeleteSoooo.. according to LOP Vince blew a gasket backstage after Punk hit the piledriver
ReplyDeletehttp://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Vince_Upset_During_RAW_Main_Event_Flair_Returning_to_WWE_TV_Another_Fandango_Vignette.html
Anyone think there is any truth to this??
I'd have considered buying a ticket to the show he'll be at in my town but he's only doing a music festival, and i dont really have $200 to throw around, appearances from Metallica, Blink 182, Paramore, and the offspring as backup for Jericho cant even persuade me.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I couldn't help but think that the whole push to the show was to determine who would face the guy who wasn't even there.
ReplyDeleteThat's some Hogan-level stuff.
I'd be inclined to say that this match was better than mitb on what physically happened in the ring. no screw finish with laurinaitus, piledriver + hurricanrana + powerbomb, no botches. Mitb will always have that special place in everyone's heart for the mystery finish, the crowd, the story, and just like HHH/Taker, that's enough for *****
ReplyDeleteAlso wondering, considering Punk didn't really use any heel tactics unless you want to count trying to win by countout, is this the seed of a face turn? What's the chances of him coming out next week and accepting the loss then challenging the shield, maybe with UT as a tag partner for a 2 vs 3 handicap match. UT puts faith in Punk not to cost him the streak, and the shield look like gold even in defeat because its the UT at WM! Crowd isn't going to boo Punk and cheer UT mid-match surely so its like an insta-turn and sets up face punk to move onto other things post-mania
ReplyDeleteTaker?
ReplyDeleteAgain, he's never been a fan of Vince on-screen.
A teaser than got 1 million buys. Not bad!
ReplyDeleteI think his point was they didn't have to set it up like this from the beginning. Why have 2 Triple H-Brock matches? Why not have Brock come back and wreck shit and face someone else?
ReplyDeleteBut he's very big on respect. Something Brock Lesnar doesn't have in storyline terms.
ReplyDeleteSo... we have CM Punk, Randy Orton, Sheamus, Dolph Ziggler, Big Show, Mark Henry, Chris Jericho and Ryback all just kind of floating through various programs, and WWE wants us to get excited over a Del Rio/Swagger title match at Wrestlemania. Wow.
ReplyDeleteSo apparently the piledriver spot was an audible, and Vince was none too happy.
ReplyDeleteFrom 411:
Vince McMahon was reportedly angry during the main event match between CM Punk and John Cena on RAW. McMahon was apparently upset when CM Punk and John Cena did the piledriver spot during their match. The move being done in the style it was is banned in WWE because of the potential danger to a performers neck.
While McMahon was upset in the moment, nobody is expecting anything more to come of issue other than McMahon saying something to Punk and then moving on
The impact probably comes from Brock breaking Muta in half.
ReplyDeleteThat upset Vince? And not the rest of the show he put on?
ReplyDeleteTechnically, Punk didn't cheat in any of his matches as a heel outside of trying to use the belt against the Rock.
ReplyDeleteOf course, I'm operating under the theory that Heyman paid the Shield and Maddox without Punk's knowledge, and Punk was just defending his friend when he was outed.
Stephanie McMahon.
ReplyDeleteThat's not true, he once shoved JR's head into Vince's ass, and was the Higher Power Taker's Ministry took orders from.
ReplyDeleteIf Bret hadn't left, he probably would have.
ReplyDeleteBecause they did a month prior in the main event of their biggest show?
ReplyDelete14 infidels need to be invited to a rape party.
ReplyDeleteI think they want fans to forget that brief period between Money in the Bank 2011 and Survivor Series 2011.
ReplyDeleteI know I do.
Next week on Raw, Vince brings back the piledriver. Here are your results: Orton pins Sandow after hitting a piledriver. Swagger pins Ryder after hitting a piledriver. Ryback pins Cesaro after hitting a piledriver. HHH pins Ziggler after hitting 5 piledrivers in a row. The rest of the show is a dance off between Hornswoggle and Brad Maddox.
ReplyDeleteThis show left me confused, because it gave me no clue how they're going to get to that Miz v. Undertaker match at Mania.
ReplyDeleteNext week on MizTV the Undertaker pees his couch.
ReplyDeleteA couple things...
ReplyDeleteFirst off, I don't watch Raw. It just hasn't been anything I've needed to see in 13 years. But I read Scott's results. I just want to say how much I was taking his recaps for granted. I had to read from 411mania last week, and the fucking guy uses Bazinga. In a serious way too, like he believes it to be funny.
I had to see the Punk vs Cena match so I popped on my HuluPlus.
Fandango. What's the deal? Please tell me he's like Double J, in that he wants to be on Dancing With The Stars but needs to become a star first so he's using WWE as a spring board.
I saw the portion with Triple H & Lesnar, and it was fantastic. It made me want to see their WM match. I don't get why people are bitching. You were mad that Cena won, you all said you wanted to see him lose bad, come back, and find a way to defeat the monster. That's exactly what's going on with Triple H's story-line, and it's great.
The old school piledriver was bad, but Triple H saying "motherfucker" and busting open Lesnar hard way was OK? That piledriver made the match even that much more awesome.
ReplyDeleteI liked it better as well, amazing finish.
ReplyDeleteCult I'm normally a fan of alot of your posts, I guess I just dont get this one??? And I seen you post it in a couple threads, care to explain a little what the joke is?
ReplyDeleteHHH bores me to tears, and I'll admit Im a Cena fan. Yea I know he needs a tune up in his character, but he delivers in the ring consistently when asked to and you cant ask much more than that from your top guy.
ReplyDeleteSo Punk vs. Cena, best rivalry of the past 10 years? Yea?
ReplyDeleteOn Lords of Pain their shoddy reporting said "He blew a gasket", which is a much funnier visual.
ReplyDeleteThink about it your two best are giving it their all on a free TV match on the road to WM, and punk performs a perfectly safe Piledriver (although it still is dangerous and banned). Can you just Imagine Vince's face turning beat red veins popping out and tipping over the catering table like a head football coach at halftime of a game where his team is getting killed?? Just a funny mental visual imho. If this is true, I would love to be a fly on the wall at the "meeting" he would have with them after that MOTYC they jsut put on.
I dunno about you but, Death Pterodactyl Dance is about as straight forward as it gets dude.
ReplyDeleteYou think the team with Kane was his idea? I honestly don't know, but I think he could have come up with something better.
ReplyDeleteBest one since rock/austin imo
ReplyDeleteSummerslam match wa lacklustre and there are lots of guys who could have amazing matches with lesnar, hhh isn't on that list.
ReplyDeleteMan, HHH kinda looked tubby last night. Someone's been spending some extra time in the Titan Towers cafeteria...
ReplyDeleteThe only other one that really compares is bulldo v owen for tje euro title
ReplyDeleteBecause Triple H doesn't need it. He's taking away good match potential from someone else. Your telling me a match between lesnar and punk, brian, sheamus, or even henry wouldn't be good matches. The problem is Triple H should be done period he's got nothing left to prove and him sticking around at this point is pure ego stroke.
ReplyDeleteYes because it's wasted opportunity.
ReplyDeleteThat would be amazing, laughed about Lil Poopy all morning. Was just as entertained by the comments on the CNN article.
ReplyDeleteSo there is more breaking news of the bizarre from raw last night. Apparently HHH pissed himself during his segment with brock last night? I read it on many a message board than stumbled across this with photographs.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/14189/did-triple-h-pee-his-pants-on-raw-social-media-score
I found that Euro match to be super over rated.
ReplyDeleteDean Ambrose: "You won't be able to stop us from doing the job we came here to do."
ReplyDeleteI love shoot comments that aren't meant to be shoot comments.
Tell me you wouldnt mark out if Ryder came out next week with Frankie...
ReplyDeleteYes, but again Stone Cold got himself over while losing in the process. I dont recall him ever beating Hart. Maybe he got the rub from working with him but Saint Bret never put him over.
ReplyDeleteIt isnt about needing it. Sure none of us here are HHH marks but there are plenty of HHH marks in the crowd, those pops arent being piped in. Some people want to see it, not here, but somewhere,lol.
ReplyDeleteThey put Lesnar over someone at Mania the month before the Cena match?
ReplyDeleteIf you are talking about Rock, he didnt bail on WWE anywhere close to the way Lesnar did and Vince got a producer credit on a few of Rock's early films and Rock's success was nothing but good for WWE.
And it's looking more and more like the whole reason Rock came back from get was to pass the torch to Cena, kinda like Hogan did for him at WM 18. Brock came back because the money was too good to pass up, not because he loves "this Business".....