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WWE Extreme Rules 2013

The SmarK Rant for WWE Extreme Rules 2013

Eh, I’ve got nothing else going on tonight anyway, why not? Plus last year’s show was one of the greatest PPVs in history. My original plan was to watch it live and troll Twitter, but I ended up having to watch the replay.

Live from St. Louis, MO.

Your hosts are Michael Cole, Jerry Lawler & JBL

Chris Jericho v. Fandango

Sadly, the only extreme here is the color pallet on their tights. Fandango wants to dance, but Jericho puts him on the floor and we get the footrace, which allows Jericho to get an elbow on the way back in. Fandango bails and Jericho follows with a bodypress to the floor, but walks into a knee as Fandango takes over. Jericho charges and hits a boot, as Fandango gets two off that. We hit the chinlock, and Jericho blows a rollup attempt. Fandango with a slingshot legdrop for two off that. Jericho suplexes out of another chinlock and comes back with a double axehandle and bulldog to set up the Walls. No dice there, but he keeps coming with a flying bodypress, which Fandango rolls through for two. He goes up for the legdrop, but it misses and the Lionsault gets two. Fandango with a sunset flip, which Jericho rolls into the Walls, but they’re too close to the ropes. Fandango with an enzuigiri out of the corner and he goes up again, but this time lands in a Codebreaker that finishes at 8:32. Seems early to be beating Fandango, but it was a hot opener. ***1/4

US title: Kofi Kingston v. Dean Ambrose

They trade wristlocks and Kofi tries the big kick early, then goes with a monkey flip instead and pounds away in the corner. Ambrose puts him down with a clothesline and suddenly the Shield fans are vocal. Neckbreaker gets two. Dropkick on the ropes gets two. He hooks Kofi in a crossface chickenwing, but that goes nowhere. Kofi makes the comeback with the boomdrop, but Dean ducks the kick. Kofi with the SOS for two, however. They fight to the top, where Ambrose brings him down with a butterfly superplex for two. Ambrose walks into the corner kick and Kofi follows with a crossbody for two, then hits Trouble In Paradise to knock him to the floor. Back in, that gets two. Ambrose rolls him up for two and ducks another Trouble attempt, and the bulldog driver finishes at 6:43 to give Ambrose the belt. Just a decent short TV match, nothing special. **1/4

Strap Match: Mark Henry v. Sheamus

Sheamus yanks Henry down and they slug it out, allowing Sheamus to get one light. Henry takes him down and ties the legs up, allowing him to get two lights before Sheamus breaks it up. He tries a cute new strategy, running around the apron and hitting three lights, but Henry dumps him to the floor to break that up. Back in, Henry carries Sheamus around and both guys get three lights before Henry breaks that up. This is like a bunch of “how can we book clever ways to touch the corners?” rather than a match. Sheamus beats Henry down and touches three, but Henry stops the fourth. Another problem: The strap is so damn long that there’s no effort required in hitting each corner, so it’s just one guy walking around the ring. It’s not exactly my favorite stip to begin with, but one guy laying three quarters of the ring away while another casually moves around the ring pretty much kills it dead. Sheamus puts him down with the Brogue Kick and touches the fourth for the win at 8:17. So this sucked. *

Meanwhile, Kaitlyn and AJ act all bitchy to each other, and a brawl results. Tamina Snuka, daughter of Hall of Famer Jimmy Superfly Snuka in case you didn’t know, is randomly standing there eating a banana for no adequately explored reason.

I Quit match: Jack Swagger v. Alberto Del Rio

Uncle Zeb goes on a political rant before the match, gets nowhere with that, and then hits paydirt with the cheap baseball heat instead. This promo is longer than the Ambrose title win. ADR dumps him right away and follows with a tope suicida, but Swagger suplexes him on the floor. Swagger chokes him out with a kendo stick, but Del Rio rams his hand into the stairs a few times. Back in, Swagger fires away with a kendo stick and bend him around the post, but no quitting yet. The crowd is so excited that they chant for Ziggler. Swagger pounds him with the kendo stick, but Del Rio grabs the arm from the apron, forcing Swagger to use the microphone to break. About damn time. Del Rio comes back with the enzuigiri and superkick, and not surprisingly Swagger won’t quit after that. Backstabber sets up the armbar, but Swagger escapes with a suplex and hits the Swaggerbomb. Doctorbomb and Del Rio won’t quit, so he hits another one. Another try is reversed into the armbar, but Swagger turns that into the anklelock and adds Angle’s GRAPEVINE OF DEATH, but he still won’t quit. So Zeb steals the towel from Ricardo, throws it in, and that apparently counts as a submission at 10:42. And then we get another referee, who explains the situation, so the first ref watches a replay on the timekeeper’s personal LCD TV and this match MUST CONTINUE. So now Del Rio gets the armbar right away and Swagger quits at 13:45. That was ridiculously overbooked, with no drama until the last couple of submission attempts. **

WWE tag titles, tornado match: Kane & Daniel Bryan v. Seth Rollins & Roman Reigns

The champs quickly dominate and Bryan gets a bow and arrow on Rollins, and Kane gets two. The Shield stomps Kane down in the corner and Reigns clotheslines Bryan for two, setting up a superbomb, but Bryan counters with a rana to Reigns and Kane dumps them both. Bryan follows with a dive, and back in for more domination from the champs. They do some nice double-teams, including a Sidewinder of all things, and Kane clotheslines Rollins into a Bryan flying headbutt that gets two. No-Lock on Reigns, but Rollins breaks it up and gets chokeslammed as a result. Reigns spears Kane and everyone is out, and we get a slugfest. Rollins flies in with a knee on Kane and Reigns spears him for two. Bryan makes the comeback with the kicks and the No-Lock, but Rollins swoops in again with the flying knee, and the Shield wins the titles at 7:27. Whole lot of nothing there. This really needed an actual heat segment to build up the sympathy for Bryan, instead of just having the big comeback and finish come out of nowhere like that. But hey, the Shield has all the belts now, so that’s the end result that matters. *1/2

Extreme Rules match: Big Show v. Randy Orton

Show quickly overpowers him and they fight outside, where Show breaks a helpless kendo stick to show his displeasure. What did bamboo ever do to him? Luckily, the stick’s brother is hiding under the ring ready for revenge, but Show MURDERS him as well. THAT KENDO STICK WAS TWO DAYS AWAY FROM RETIREMENT! MEEEEEENDOZZZZZAAAAAAAAA! Orton goes under the ring again and finds a ladder this time, but Show kicks that back at him as well. JBL: “If I was Orton, I’d quit bringing out weapons.” Back in, Show chokes away in the corner and goes to an armbar. An EXTREME armbar. No hold is barred here, particularly that one. Orton comes back with a dropkick, but Show chokeslams him out of the corner for two and the crowd goes SILENT. Show gets chairs and a ladder and sets them up, then sideslams Orton for two. Show tries to pump splash Orton through the ladder, but that goes spectacularly wrong for him and Orton gets two. Draping DDT sets up the RKO, but it only gets two. So now Orton gets a chair and beats on Show with that, but gets speared. He comes back with another RKO, but hurts his back on the chair and can’t cover. So instead he wants the punt, and that finishes at 13:00. This was fine. Don’t know why it needed to be on PPV, though. **1/2

WWE title, Last Man Standing: John Cena v. The Ryback

Ryback overpowers Cena as the crowd starts with the Goldberg chant, and he pounds away in the corner. Cena goes up and gets caught in a powerslam, but Cena is up at 6. Ryback with the gorilla press, but Cena is up, so Ryback powerbombs him. Cena is up, so Ryback charges and lands on the floor, allowing Cena to find a conveniently placed table under the ring. Back in, Ryback with the jawbreaker, but Cena fights back until Ryback slams him through the table. Cena comes back again, of course, with the five knuckle shuffle, but Ryback spears him. Cena comes back with his own powerbomb, and that puts him down for 9. So now Cena pulls guard on Ryback, and that goes about as well as you’d expect. What was he expecting to happen there? Ryback with the lariat for 8, but Cena hooks him with the STF. And Ryback passes out from the pain. Or maybe this match just put him to sleep. Cena brings in a table, and Ryback takes the FU into it. He’s up at 9 and comes back with the Shellshock, but Cena is up at 9. To the floor, where Cena spears him through the timekeeper’s cubicle and both are down. And they head into the crowd, where Ryback pulls a door off the rinkboards and puts Cena down with it, for 9. Cena with a sleeper to put Ryback out, but he’s up at 9. So Cena splashes him through a table, and he’s down for 8. Next up, the good old fire extinguisher spray, followed by a shot to the head to put him down, but he’s up at 7. Ryback spears him through the curtain, as they disappear into the ether in a shower of exploding lightbulbs. And that’s apparently the finish, as we cut backstage to both guys getting taken for medical attention at 23:00 or so. The crowd rightly boos that bullshit out of the building. So…Ryback should be champion, right? Cena got taken away in an ambulance and couldn’t answer a 10 count, whereas Ryback walked away mostly under his own power. What a complete waste of time that was. They booked a stipulation match for the first meeting between them, and couldn’t even come up with a FINISH? **1/2

Cage Match: Brock Lesnar v. HHH

HHH attacks before the bell and runs Brock into the cage a few times, but Brock shrugs it off and beats on the COO. HHH bumps into the cage, but comes back with the high knee. Brock suplexes him and runs him into the cage, but charges and runs knee-first into the cage. “Ow, my knee!” he notes to Paul, just in case we missed it. He keeps fighting with a powerslam, but the knee remains in pain. In another universe, Frank Mir runs out of the crowd and puts a kneebar on him right there. HHH goes for the Pedigree, but Brock escapes with the kimura, so HHH hits the knee. He goes for the door, but Heyman slams the door on him, and Brock gets the F5 for two. Heyman delivers a chair and Brock makes use of that. Another F5, but the knee gives out. So now HHH hits him with the chair, avenging his office’s murder, and goes to work on the knee again. Nothing like a cage match focused on one guy going to work on the knee for 10 minutes. Brock keeps trying for the kimura, but HHH puts him down for a figure-four. EXTREME. Brock reverses out and tries to climb out of the cage, but HHH tosses a chir at his knee to keep him in. And he finds a trusty sledgehammer hidden in the cage, painted silver, but now he uses a Sharpshooter. Paul Heyman runs in for distraction, but HHH Pedigrees both guys and gets two. And now he finally reunites with his hammer, but Heyman goes low and Brock puts HHH down with the sledgehammer. And the crowd is like “Yay...? Boo…? Do we care…?” Brock adds another F5 and pins him at 20:05. Another incredibly boring match between two guys who could have been booked to have every shortcut and gimmick they wanted. **

The Pulse

#wweisEXTREMELYboring

Comments

  1. Is the timekeeper's cubicle becoming the new Spanish table?

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  2. Uh, this show sucks. /Butthead

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  3. Considering Game Of Thrones is taking next week off i thought we'd have a huge epic episode to tide us over for 2 weeks. Like most i've been partially spoiled on some future plot points so i thought some major deaths would happen this week but nada. Boobs were nice though! What was my point again? Oh yeah #wweisboring

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  4. http://www.wrestlecrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/153.jpg

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  5. A solid undercard followed by an absolutely crap-tastic and somewhat insulting upper card. Was this an homage to late 90s WCW PPVs or something?

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  6. I had the exact same thought while reading the recap.

    And what a surprise! Jericho's curtain jerking!

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  7. Chris Jericho is crazy over. Jericho-Fandango was my match of the night. Really fun match and pretty good too. ***1/2 But seriously, people are going nuts for Jericho. Fandango showed some stuff too. Anytime I get to see Y2J I'm happy. I'm starting to enjoy the idea of Jericho maybe winning one more world title.

    Props to Orton and Show for putting on a really fun match too. Can someone let Big Show in on the secret that he is 7 ft. 500 pounds? Seriously, did he decide that since Dolph was taking the night off that he'd channel him? His standard dropkick to the knees bump plus top rope elevated DDT and a Vader Bomb into a ladder? Not Show's biggest fan but he busted his ass. Cool to see the punt come back too! ***



    Glad to see the Shield win gold even if their respective matches were too short to be great. Still, both were fun while they lasted. I liked how in the Kofi-Ambrose match despite having some slopiness it wasn't distracting so much as it added to the "chaotic" style they have been pushing for Ambrose.


    Don't have much to say about the main events. Cena-Ryback was alright. Thought they were gonna give the belt to Ryback since Lesnar-Trips closed the show. Not sure who walks away with the title actually.


    Ziggler missing the show definitely hurt the card because no doubt the triple threat ladder match would have been better than the I Quit match.


    Punk being out is obviously hurting them as well in the match quality department. He deserves the rest, but I hope he comes back soon.

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  8. I think you shortchanged Cena/Ryback a bit. And I can see why they did the no contest finish, they don't want to have Cena lose the belt right away and they don't want Ryback to come out looking like a choker again.

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  9. I picked up a great term for what Jericho is now, and on Austin's podcast it's what he referred to what he was when he joined the WWF:

    "A mechanic".

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  10. If he is, he is the David Puddy of mechanics!

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  11. Shhh....you'll blow Scott's cover on using cheap Indian labor.

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  12. Have The Miz manage a stable of Chris Jericho, CM Punk, and Daniel Bryan, and call them Mike and The Mechanics.

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  13. Free free, set them free...

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  14. If they need someone to feed to Brock who is top tier, I don't know why they don't use Orton. Fine, I guess they're afraid he's gonna get caught up in some prescription ring, but jesus, the guy is over (except with weird Euro post-WM crowds) and they give him next to nothing to do. If he's just going to end up losing, why not lose something BIG.


    Instead he beats up on midcarders and has random drawn out feuds against guys at his level.

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  15. Anyone who books a no-finish for a world title match at a PPV can go fuck themselves. As someone who's been to not one, but two PPVs with that shit, grow a pair and get a winner for the belt for the event people paid $50+ for.

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  16. I'd say that's maybe the biggest problem with the ppv's these days. Prices won't lower for business reasons, I know. However, from a fan's perspective who just wants to be entertained (and doesn't really worry about what makes "business sense" a lot), $25-$30 for a show like this would probably make it seem a lot better. It just doesn't sound like people got their money's worth.

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  17. Personal feelings against Orton aside, he would suffer from the exact same problem that Triple H has had: he wouldn't have great chemistry with Brock.

    Triple H and Orton are both traditional North American style guys.
    Brock Lesnar's wrestling acumen these days is based on his MMA abilities.

    Triple H and Orton are both natural heels.
    So is Brock.

    The dynamic just isn't conducive to... I don't know, entertainment.


    WWE just doesn't have a direction, and the conclusion of the Ryback/Cena match and this feud is proof of it.

    Also, please tell me that you got your username from the Venom song.

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  18. Try again at some point; the first few episodes require a lot of patience as it has to set up its gigantic cast of characters but once everything's settled, it gets really fucking good.

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  19. Yeah, that Bryan Danielson/Nigel McGuiness one hour draw was bullshit!

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  20. If I paid $110 to go see it...yeah, it would be!

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  21. I've never heard of either of those shows haha. I suck at following episodic content so I usually wait til a show is over.

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  22. Or team Jericho up with Antonio Cesaro and it'll be just like "The Mechanic"

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  23. A draw is a finish. They didn't even bother saying what the finish WAS.
    Other than "oh well, they're both dead."

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  24. Nope. Just a bunch of random letters.

    As for Orton, I just think he's a good enough worker to take Brock's shit. He has face heat. He's up the card enough (sorry Jericho) And he's not protected anymore, so he can lose and lose clean. Those are really the only requisites. Trips has the heat, until he starts working a match. He's just not that good anymore.

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  25. And the father of the boy who doesn't win has to mow the other's lawn in his wife's best Sunday dress!

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  26. Even though the current feud has been mediocre at very best, can you honestly imagine a Brock vs. Orton feud? It'd be like trying to describe the colour grey to a blind man.

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  27. The inevitable RKO out of an F5 would be cool, though. Which is the point of all of Orton's matches anyway.

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  28. In Lawler's case it would be LMFHO.

    (H = heart)

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  29. Vince: "I need you to book this last man standing match so the champ leaves dead in a meat wagon, but does not lose the belt".


    Writers: "WHAT?!?"

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  30. Then the joke of those shows being really shitty doesn't work. DAMN YOU!

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  31. The tornado tag was not *1/2 you madman

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  32. Crappy show, fell asleep before the main. However you didn't really convey the awesomeness of the Shield matches, regardless of how short they were. There was awesome spots that maybe you missed...

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  33. I thought that this was a hell of a lot better than a bunch of ** matches.

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  34. Also, is Orton bringing back the punt going to change his character at all? That'd certainly be nice.

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  35. I don't care about girls, but Veep is really funny. DOWNVOTES.

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  36. I thought it was too. I did not think Fandango/Jericho was MotN and almost a full star better than the runner up Orton/Big Show. Was just a confusing recap of the show.

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  37. Another lame PPV, but the shield winning the gold, with a new added emphasis on the US title and Ambrose's singles run, and the possible break up of Team Hell No (and therefore new singles run for Daniel Bryan) makes me slightly more optimistic for the future...I think it's about time that we got an extended Daniel Bryan/Dolph Ziggler title program.

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  38. I almost completely agree with this review, which is sad. Just showing how much of a letdown this card was.

    Flip-flop the Jericho/Fandango match rating with Show/Orton and we are on the same page

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  39. Well, what you do there is a double count out. That actually would have been just fine. Why Ryback had to stand up and walk away is the question of the night. They should have gone to a straight draw.

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  40. "Mmmhh. My best Sunday dress..."

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  41. Oh my god, you found a use for Miz that wouldn't make me want to reach through my TV and stab him 42 times. Well, at least until he tries to hijack EVERY promo any of them do.

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  42. Should've gone with Ric's Debt.

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  43. They screwed it up even more if u watched the post-show. As they put him in the ambulance he sits up and just walks off, NO-SELLING DEATH cause he's superman. Like wtf. U do this stupid dramatic ending where ryback kills him and they sell it as so, just for him later to walk off, so he has the excuse to run around on RAW smiling and to blast Ryback with pee and fart jokes

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  44. "Does she have heat on herself because she tends to just sit there and eat bananas?" Ha

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  45. I agree with your point, but the thing is that a lot of times it was Jack Swagger telling the ref to ask ADR if he quits after a punch or two. That whole match annoyed me because of how many times the ref asked a wrestler if he quit. The crowd didn't like it either because every time it happened, the heat would die down so much.

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  46. I think this show left a lot open to interpretation. I liked Jericho-Fandango, the tag match, Ambrose-Kofi (short), and most of Cena-Ryback. Most of the rest I zoned out onto other things.

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  47. When I'm picturing a female wrestler eating a banana, Tamina is not usually at the top of my list.

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  48. No but it wasn't much higher. Team Hell No have held the belts longer than any team in years. The shortness of the match really bothered me. The booking decisions were all correct tonight but Swagger/Del Rio got almost twice as much time to put together a match.
    That's just criminal.

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  49. They're both dead...except for Ryback who was still dead, but able to walk.

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  50. Two Cena fans are automatically autistic. Gotta love Super-Smarks.

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  51. Ah, good to see my fellow St. Louisans sticking to type. You can shit all over our region for just about anything, but you damn well better not diss the Cards.

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  52. I think you watched this show with the intention of hating it. These ratings are like a Caliber review, only in reverse.

    *1/2 for Shield v. Hell No? Wow.

    It was a good move putting Orton v. Show on PPV. The show was in St. Louis, so you have a match the crowd will be invested in, it pays off a storyline that was established at Wrestlemania, and the face got his revenge. In a good match to boot. That's smart booking.

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  53. Sadly Triple H - Lesnar was actually a big time dream match / fantasy booking scenario for some time. I guess that illusion has fully been laid to rest. They should have just left the Global Warming 3 Way as their only encounter. Triple H has no heat as a face, it is just terrible.



    Also Orton wins again. Why?

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  54. The heel - face dynamic of the company has been a mess for years. There are times when it seems they could literally flip the whole roster and it would make more sense.

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  55. Haha, that is awesome.

    I heard the same thing from other reviews, that Triple H was wrestling like a heel. I hope they don't go for a face turn, because Brock just doesn't work as a good guy.

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  56. Did anyone check out the post-show on WWE.com? Actually a lot better than I thought. Better promos than you get on Raw because they are unscripted.

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  57. The use of the word "retard" would have gotten him downvotes.

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  58. I heard that Mick Foley suggested that Brock/HHH need to have a 4th match to really settle the score. Really.

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  59. In Mick's defense, he's been hit in the head a lot.

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  60. The match made excellent use of the time it was given, not one dull moment in the match. Scott gives it *1/2 and calls it a "whole lot of nothing", which it wasn't. The only drawback was that it was too short.

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  61. Orton has had no direction for at least a year, yet he's the guy they give clean wins to consistently? ugh

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  62. Then why program them together?

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  63. Or you're talking to a woman

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  64. I agree on Orton. Hell, I thought they should have fed him to Brock LAST year around this time. He should have taken out Cena and Orton on his way in, just to eliminate WWE's golden boys on arrival.

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  65. All we need is a miracle...

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  66. So the dirty secret is that Ambrose isn't a great worker.

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  67. Please, he pulled out the back rake, rope face burn, butterfly superplex and his sick finisher. Plus the crowd was super hot for him. I'd call that a good night's work!

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  68. He's not a bad worker. It actually works with the Shield: Ambrose is the best talker, Rollins is the best worker, and Reigns is the intimidating looking hoss.

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  69. Yea man, it was such a weird match. HHH def did some heelish shit, and Brock was kinda cast as a face. Maybe the injury angle was just there to make Brock look like a badass by overcoming it but watching it he came off like a sympathetic face battling an injury, top level wrestler, and overbearing manager.

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  70. Tampa / Clearwater. Think the strippers hate when then get WWE shows since nobody goes to watch them...they might even chase busi was away.

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  71. So you "schooled" two autistic guys? Bravo. Fantastic work!

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  72. I'd call him a good worker, but maybe not a superior wrestler.

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  73. Girls and Veep are awesome.

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  74. Dirty_Dave_DelaneyMay 20, 2013 at 8:58 AM

    So with Brock going over in the main event I can only guess this will lead to an epic blowoff at Summerslam with Triple H teaming up with Vince McMahon to take on Paul Heyman and Brock Lesnar, which ends with Vince getting the pin over Brock to prove he's better than a former UFC champion.


    Or alternatively the match gets changed at the last minute because Vince doesn't pass the Wellness checks which leads to Brock and Heyman taking on Triple H and Stephanie McMahon instead... with Steph getting the pinfall over Brock!

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  75. Didn't watch this show, but read about it. Figured I'd get the replay, but no. I have to say, even if Lesnar extensively sold like a champ...is this really the story they decided to tell? A steel cage match where the monster Lesnar sells the knee? I just don't quite get that. Lesnar should be destroying people; not toughing it out. Plus... you get a huge build up to Team Hell No versus The Shield... and give these great workers 7 minutes for the long-awaited title change?

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  76. Yeah, it's not like Ambrose is Kevin Nash or anything in the ring. He's fine.

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  77. LOL @ caring about strippers feelings

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  78. I also don't think he's incapable of improving. He's not a black hole of charisma like Randy Orton. I'd call him a B- worker with an A+ ceiling.

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  79. Wow, I *just* started listening to the Shawn Michaels podcast where he mentioned that term.

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  80. Jericho needs to jump to the WWF where he'll be appreciated... and he should bring Ralphus with him...

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  81. Can this Triple H/Brock abortion of a feud please put to rest the notion that Hunter is out to make himself look good? How would it do that? HHH once again looks like the coolest, smartest, toughest guy in the room. The problem with the feud is that Triple H has degraded as a worker and his matches are downright boring. They're all so plodding.

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  82. Orton sucks, I don't think that helps.

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  83. Not schooled. Just telling them why I like punk/lesnar and not Cena. If you're gonna get on your patronizing high horse...it's better to engage them in a conversation like normal people then ignore them like their outsiders.

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  84. HHH lost the rubber match but made sure he looked good in losing as he had 90% of the offense in the bout, made Brock scream like a little girl during most of the match and it took two people to beat him. Not exactly a star making match, unlike what HHH did for Batista back in 2005.

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  85. Hasn't been for ten years. I can remember a thrilling WWE title match he had with Rikishi in early 2000 on Smackdown, which I still remember well today. I absolutely bought that Rikishi was going to score an upset.


    YouPeopleGate for me marks the point where he became sadly unwatchable.

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  86. I think Lesnar turning face is the only thing that would save him as a
    draw at this point. Its not like anyone is going to see him as a bad ass
    after last night. "OW...PAUL MY KNEE....IT HURTZ." He only barely
    grazed the side of the cage he looked like such a pussy. It might have
    been okay if they referenced his stomach condition and he was hurting
    from that but otherwise he just came across as a big chump to me.

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  87. @parallax1978 That's how you turn a juvenile, unfunny blowjob joke into something actually funny. I tip my cap to you, sir.

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  88. new singles run for Kane.


    fixed. unfortunately.

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  89. Show and Mark Henry have turned into solid workers. Henry is just an awesome all-around guy at this point.

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  90. ...The Shield won at WM too. Or are those just the basic 3 criteria that a PPV needs?

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  91. Yea man, I thought for sure they were setting up a Brock face turn. I really expected a heel Punk to come out and beat the shit outta Brock at the end of the show. If they weren't setting up a face turn, they might have tried to make Brock look badass by overcoming that injury...if that was the goal it didnt really come across that way with "my knee, Paul."

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  92. and if not, don't worry. everybody gets a second chance.

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  93. The question is when is any seven minute match going to go above three stars? Flair/Steamboat couldn't get a 3 star match in seven minutes. I'd go 2.5 stars if this was a run off on Raw. I think Scott docked it a point for being a blowoff to a storyline that's been six months in the making almost.

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  94. you just don't get it man. they were telling a story!

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  95. Brock would come out tomorrow night dressed as a woman if they asked. He's in it for the money, and I don't blame him one bit. Take the $5 mil for minimal dates, do what they ask you to do, and go home after. Unlike his opponent last night, he isn't using this feud as a pathetic, transparent attempt to get all crowd heat back on himself and "protect his spot" even though he's semi-retired.


    It's not like Brock-HHH 3 is gonna pop a buyrate or anything...maybe their first match did but it's diminishing returns at this point. I'm sure that by now Brock knows his appearances aren't benefiting anything except his bank account, and it's a safe bet he's totally OK with that.

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  96. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED AT THE ROH I QUIT MATCH TOO!!!

    Christ the refs have gotta just shut up

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  97. 7 minutes is enough time for a *** match, IMO. This wasn't that match, but that's the threshold.

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  98. Hell yeah! Nothing better then watching the pens lose

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  99. Well yeah If I was Brock I wouldn't care either. I'm more speaking from WWE's standpoint. If they want to spend all that money to diminish his drawing power its their business. I'm pretty sure Brock is just laughing all the way to the bank.

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  100. and actually one that could work. if you can get the ppvs a lot cheaper plus a whole lot of other stuff, it will be a real no-brainer for many fans.

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  101. plus he KNOWS that because of his MMA background, many people will always view him as a "badass" in real life.

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  102. Brock and HHH wasn't that bad. And booking aside, the Cena-Ryback match had some pretty cool moments that people popped for.

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  103. I am dumbfounded by the Lesnar booking. How does a former UFC Champion need: 1. Steel Cage 2. Sledgehammer 3. His 300 lb. manager, 4. TWENTY MINUTES, just to defeat Triple H when Lesnar only needed like 7 minutes to defeat Couture, about the same to beat Mir, and a little longer to beat Carwin in LEGIT MMA FIGHTS?!?!?

    Lesnar should've squashed Cena at Extreme Rules last year. Cena should have went into hiding for a couple months then came back determined. Their next match should've ended in a double KO or a draw at Summerslam then Cena should have triumphed at WrestleMania in a physical match much like their Extreme Rules match last year.



    Why does Gonzo Big Nose need to stick his honker into every hot feud, popular talent, expensive signings? Cena showed he is a much better worker than the COOHHH. Triple H needed THREE matches with Lesnar, all of which were very boring and WWF 1970's-esque.


    Lesnar has no credibility left in the WWE and a 2-2 record since returning. How is his UFC record better than his "FAKE" PRO WRESTLING record?!?!


    WWE makes me ill.

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  104. Brock's selling was terrific. Otherwise, a terrible match.


    I felt you underrated Orton-Show. I liked it quite a bit. Plus, I admit, I marked out for the return of the punt, one of the few protected finishers left in wrestling.

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  105. Scream09_HartKillerMay 20, 2013 at 9:49 AM

    It's very important that Brock be taught that he's not bigger and more important than a fake sport he doesn't care about. He'll get his $5 million but he'll learn.

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  106. Christopher HirschMay 20, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    Funny that Cena is the champ and then doesn't headline the show. Almost like CM Punk....

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  107. Wrestling fans don't care about UFC.

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  108. I'm betting the strippers were describing you as three autistic guys.

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  109. Gotta protect the WWE brand. Can't let some UFC chump go over WWE superstars.

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  110. Owen Hart-123 Kid, King of the Ring '94.

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  111. Huh. This one killed in the FB group. I'll think I'll pull a WWE, and never cater to the segment of fans who frequently complain again. Your rage shall fall on deaf ears!

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  112. Hey now, that's not nice! Strippers are people too. Naked people who may be willing to pleasure you for a price you negotiate later behind a curtain in the VIP room.

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  113. How, HOW I ask you, does this shit keep getting DUMBER? Like, in all seriousness, are we just realizing how much Punk brings to the company every month, or did someone get fired, or did Vince pop a bood vessel or what?

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  114. It takes him 7 minutes to defeat one guy and over 20 minutes to defeat another because, ya' know, one is real and one is fake.

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  115. Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous. Why bother spending that kind of money on ONE guy (who has already left before), only to do so little of substance with him?

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  116. No pinfall. Clean Submission.

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  117. I was briefly terrified that your scenario for Raw ended with John Cena blasting Ryback with pee and farts.

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  118. Agreed. Mark should be going after Cena's title. They could have held off on Ryback's turn

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  119. Also funny that Triple H used to be the first one screaming that the champion should always main event (WM 18).

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  120. Also not helping Brock's mystique: the announcers beating us over the head with "Brock was literally begging for mercy!"

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  121. It seemed like one of Triple H's "let's try out a new formula/story" matches, similar to the Mania 25 disaster. H sometimes gets too cute for his own good in these matches. Like the Orton match, this one seemed to deliberately change the heat portion of the match, and the result basically killed the crowd heat.

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  122. "That's my manager!"

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  123. A+? He doesn't have that high a ceiling. I think his ceiling is a Roddy Piper -- A+ talker, solid wrestler.

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  124. I made a comment in the live thread that it was a damn fine PPV. I wonder how much of that was b/c I was sitting there with the live thread the entire time.


    Oh, and I had KFC. That might have helped, too.

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  125. That is an AWESOME podcast, btw. Austin vs. The Fly was fucking hilarious.

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  126. Why should Show have won? It was Orton's hometown. Doesn't everyone bitch when wrestlers lose in their hometown?

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  127. You see why i said wins and losses dont matter?

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  128. Only saving grace is that both times that he was defeated he it was via a finisher on the steps, and not a straight up loss from either Cena or Hunter's fighting ability.


    I don't respect the way they've used Lesnar, but at least they didn't have him get pinned or tapped-out cleanly.

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  129. Who down-votes this? Are some of you enjoying the current product?

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  130. Ambrose is already a better worker than Piper. This isn't even saying much.

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  131. Whatever happened to his heel turn anyway? And whatever happened to the babyface turn they were teasing for Big Show last month?

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  132. Christopher HirschMay 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM

    Popeyes > KFC

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  133. Did you eat the bones?

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  134. I thought that he said the Hogan/Rock should go last because they wouldn't be able to top it?

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  135. The network is the biggest joke in the last five years. They're hell-bent on making themselves a variety channel when they've got fifty years worth of archived material RIGHT THERE. But no, let's do retarded reality programming because that hasn't been beaten into the ground yet.

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  136. If he wasn't OK with it I'm guessing he'd just quit. Wouldn't be the first time.

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  137. There's video of him saying both things. However, there's video of him talking about the champion main eventing FIRST, only the change his story much later. Let's not forget WM 25, either.

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  138. Why would ou do that to me? Other than HBK/Taker I would LOVE to forget WM 25...

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  139. He definitely pulled some revisionist history. In the History of WM documentary, he claims that he and Jericho both argued that Rock/Hogan should have gone on last.

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  140. Depends on what I'm feeling. Popeye's has better sides, esp. the biscuits. And the sweet tea is great since it has real sugar.


    But sometimes when you just want good crust, that's when KFC extra crispy comes into play.

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  141. wow i cant believe how low of a rating that shield tag match got. to me, that was the match of the nigt. from start to finish they didnt let me down and even tho it was short, the match was very tremendous.

    ryback vs cena wasnt even a bad match at all. what were you smoking keith

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  142. Only watched a bit of it, but the BOD live thread was way better than the PPV. (But this is nothing new...)

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  143. But that's not engaging them - that's telling them that they have an opinion that's wrong, and yours is right. Which I'm sure you believe makes you a nice person for engaging people beneath your station, but from your text I just see you as a guy with a need to be right who couldn't just talk to two fellow fans bout wrestling so much point out John Cena is worse than two guys who, weirdly, had their best WWE matches against John Cena.

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  144. Why not just stream it? It's much cheaper.

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  145. Henry beat him twice cleanly and decisively after the Christian feud, and Sheamus beat him clean on SD last year. Aside from Shield Tags and getting rolled up by Swagger in the Chamber I don't remember too many other clean losses.

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  146. I'm surprised that no one has brought this up (or maybe no one cares, as this was a dreadful PPV), but the ending to the strap match was complete bull. Throughout the course of the entire match, the referee would wave off the lights if a competitor's momentum was stopped. So, why weren't Sheamus' 3 green lights waved off before the victory? He tried to jump over/through Mizark for the 4th; he failed. He then got picked up and was prepped for the World's Strongest Slam (momentum *really* stopped), before he slipped out of it and hit the Brogue Kick. how? what? why? my head hurts with this company.

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  147. Christopher HirschMay 20, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    Just in the past year, he jobbed to the Shield at WM, Henry on Smackdown, Big Show on Main Event, Barrett on a random RAW, etc.

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  148. Christopher HirschMay 20, 2013 at 1:00 PM

    As far as Big Show, I guess you weren't following the last month of TV?

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  149. I like how the WWE product is so boring that Scott has to write little amusing anecdotes to amuse himself.

    MENDOZZAAAAAAAA


    PS - Can we crowdfund the ability for Scott to watch all WWE PPV's, regardless of interest level?

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  150. The stipulations bombed hard - a last man standing match with no winner, an i quit match with the ref shoving his mic in your face every 5 seconds, a tornado tag that was way too short, and a cage match with no blood/cage escape win.


    Seriously felt the lack of Ziggler and Punk last night. Thank fuck for the Shield and Team hell no.

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  151. Popeye's Spicy > Extra crispy

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  152. I have been following the shows and last month it looked like they were going to do a double turn with Orton and Show when they [along with Sheamus] were feuding with The Shield.
    Even after that feud had ended and turned into a weird three-way feud with Sheamus, they were still teasing the double turn. Then, as soon as Sheamus got moved into a program with Mark Henry, the whole double turn got dropped for absolutely no reason.
    Yeah they're still feuding but Randy's still the same babyface character that he clearly hates playing and Big Show's still a heel even though he comes across like a babyface nowadays.

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  153. Not so sure that's a sure thing, though. I've had plenty of spicy Popeye's where the crust was just mush b/c of the spices, and all of the it was concentrated in one area, leading to overload.

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  154. Christopher HirschMay 20, 2013 at 1:53 PM

    I think any thoughts of a double turn simply came from internet rumors and Orton expressing his desires to be a heel. Nothing on TV ever led me to believe they were hinting at a double turn of Show and Orton.

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  155. Yeah that strap match was pretty bad at the start but it actually got a lot worse as the match progressed. I am certain that had a lot to do with Mark Henry getting hurt though. The guy looked to be in serious pain after the fight. I thought it was odd the commentators completely ignored that after the match but instead played up the fake injuries from Brock, Cena and Hunter after the episode ended.

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  156. At least this match at Extreme Rules made a bit more sense because this time, Hunter was using weapons and props to beat up Brock. I agree with you though, it's hard to suspend disbelief when a professional fighter is begging a pretend fighter to have mercy on him. Brock looked like an idiot during his match.

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  157. His offense isn't flashy or unique but a lot of it looks pretty realistic. A lot of his moves look like they can hurt you for real.

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  158. SERIOUSLY. THAT SHIELD MATCH WAS AN EASY *** 3/4 MATCH. NEVER BEEN SO UPSET AT A MATCH ENDING SO SOON, ESPECIALLY FOR THIS GENERATION.

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  159. No argumenton this one.

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  160. The match at WM 25 should've gone on last. No one knew HBK v. Taker was going to be fantastic and HHH v. Orton would suck. HHH v. Orton was a hot feud too

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  161. Also, why would you spend $55 on an HD PPV when you've been so down on the current product? They don't deserve your $.

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  162. I may just have weird taste when it comes to HBO; I know a lot of people who hate "The Newsroom", but I love it, aside from Olivia Munn. Seeing her lack of talent alongside that cast is like the 2004 Survivor Series team of Benoit, Jericho, Orton...and Maven.

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  163. I'm on the fence on that one, but with my previous comment, I'm not necessarily talking about what should have happened. I'm talking about HHH's stance on title matches going on last and how it was apparent in WM18 and WM25. Compare this to now where his matches with Lesnar at this PPV and at Summerslam closed the show.

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  164. That's fair, but on paper, I have no problem with HHH v. Orton going on last.

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  165. "explaining to them why Punk and Lesnar should be their heroes" is really not the same as "telling them why I like punk/lesnar".

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  166. I think everyone knew HBK v Taker would be fantastic.

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  167. Not in 2009. I think we knew we were getting a good match, but come on, how could anyone expect the match we were getting? I have no problem with HHH v. Orton going on last.

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  168. Five to six ain't a bad ratio for something so awful.

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  169. All of that is ridiculous.

    If you have ADHD and don't have the patience to watch a slower-paced match, that's fine, but I'm of the mindset that something like Triple H vs. Taker would count as a good match.

    He doesn't look like the toughest or smartest guy. He lost the rubber match and he didn't use his Cerebral Assassining to outsmart Heyman or that lunkhead, Brock.

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  170. I lost you when you alluded to the notion that Triple H should have made Brock Lesnar a star.

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  171. Haaaaaaaaaaamburger!

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  172. Go watch the Big Bang Theory.

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  173. I thought the Jericho/Fandangoo match was incredibly botchy, Jericho missed tons of shit and Curtis, as good as a gimmick guy as he is, isn't much in the ring.

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  174. Yeah, Trips was really working heel in that match.

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  175. ...in 2006, Triple H was a heel.


    ...in 2013, Triple H is a face.

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  176. Uh...Kane beat him at WrestleMania 28.

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  177. I don't think that's a secret.


    I mean, good promo guy (if limited) good character (if derivative), but not a legendary worker by any means.

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  178. Ryback did look like a main-eventer.

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  179. I knew someone was going to say that. Let me clarify. The Shield won gold. And I was happier with the results here. That is all.

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  180. Watch the buildup, HHH shrugged off everything because God forbid Hunter look vulnerable. Do you listen to Steve Austin's podcast? Shawn Michaels had a great anecdote from Kevin Nash: everyone wants to be the badass flying the helicopter chomping on the cigar shooting the machine gun and getting the girl.

    As for HHH's recent matches, if you're so easily entertained that's fine, but I prefer my matches to have psychology and flow. The last two Undertaker matches and the Brock Wrestlemania match (admittedly, I haven't seen the Extreme Rules or Summerslam matches with Brock, so I could be wrong) have the same formula: HHH gets gassed at the beginning, spot, rest, spot, rest, spot, repeat until finish.

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  181. Months ago we were talking about how Triple H was welling up with tears and mourning Brock's attack on his hetero life partner, Shawn Michaels. Now you're giving me this bullshit about Triple H being invincible. One or the other, son.

    As for your second paragraph, all petty patronizing from a Ranga aside, everyone pretty much agrees that for better or worse, the HHH/Taker matches were methodical, slow-paced affairs. The Brock/HHH series has been mediocre, but so has the storyline so nobody cares either way.

    If I was so easily entertained, I'd go on a marathon of reading your posts. Yuck.

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  182. El pollo loco ftw

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  183. Yeah he's a bad worker whose had a half dozen 4 star plus matches since survivor series

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  184. I didn't say bad worker, I said he's not great.

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  185. Just giving you your petty patronizing back. All in good fun.

    The example you cited isn't one or the other. It wasn't HHH who Brock got one over on, it was HBK. But that might be picking nits. If you look at the recent feud look at how Brock breaking down HHH's office was supposed to be a big, heinous affair and HHH shrugs it off. HHH beats Brock clean at Wrestlemania and then it took Heyman-ference for Brock to win at Extreme Rules.

    Has HHH wrestled a match that wasn't "methodical and slow-paced" in the last three years? I don't mind methodical matches. My beef with HHH's matches are that they are disjointed and lack psychology. I haven't enjoyed the last three or four matches of HHH's that I've seen. If you have, awesome, different strokes for different folks.

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  186. Yeah, I'm a real asshole for not being wowed by Triple H. I'm just tired of him getting to look like the coolest, toughest, smartest, most badass guy EVERY FEUD. There's a lot of good stuff going on in the WWE and it gets overshadowed by the boring crap like HHH's ego stroking and Cena running in place.

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  187. "There's a lot of good stuff going on in the WWE"

    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA.

    Okay, okay, now that I know you're just kidding around... ahhh... you're all right, buddy.

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  188. The Shield (I respectfully withdraw my "Ambrose is not a great worker" assertion), Mark Henry (and I NEVER thought I'd say that), Daniel Bryan, Big Show turning into a well-rounded character (though a toss-up if he's good in the ring depending on the night), Ziggler taking off, Del Rio being a really good babyface, Team Rhodes Scholar being awesome, and Sheamus being every bit as great in the ring as he is terrible as a character. Outside of the main event the WWE is enjoyable to watch.

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  189. But he isn't even near prime Piper on the mic yet.

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  190. That's why the shows are so entertaining, and the PPVs worth ordering.

    Here are other things that may pique your interest:


    A pinwheel.
    The Big Bang Theory.
    A shotgun with a toe trigger.

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  191. C'mon man, that's too far, I'm personally offended... the Big Bang Theory? That's over the line.

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  192. Triple H and Orton have no chemistry in the ring. If they knew THAT was the type of match they would do. They should NOT have gone on last.

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