Kayfabe Commentaries YouShoot Interview with Perry Saturn

For those not familiar with the “YouShoot” series, it is a shoot interview that is comprised of fan questions submitted by either email or video. A majority of the questions are submitted by people from the F4W message board and video submissions by several recurring folks. Sean Oliver is the moderator. They also play games during the shoots (The first few did not include games but all of the newer installments have them), including “What’s in the Bag, “Ho Bag,” “What a Dick,” and “Medicine Man.”

This was released July 2011. The shoot is divided into chapters and that is how I will break down the review.

LOST

The first question asks where the fuck has he been? Perry says that he had to get his demons in check due to ten years of being a severe drug addict. He adds how it was amazing that he was even able to make it to work.

The next question asks him about being homeless and on drugs and is triumphs that occurred during his struggle? Perry said that drugs cost him everything. He said that he would inject Nubain under his tongue, so it would not leave any track marks and from there went on to Demerol. He would be spending hundreds of dollars on pain pills monthly. He said that his ex-wife died of an overdose at some point too. Perry said that he dated a chick that introduced him to meth. He went from living in a big house and driving an Escalade to sleeping under bridges and digging into trashcans for food. He was homeless in Georgia and from there went to Iowa, as he was friends with Sonny Onoo, who set him up with a job and a place to live but he relapsed and got kicked out and from there wound up in Minnesota. Sean follows up by asking if his use began in ECW. Perry said that he was relatively clean there, only sometimes going out for drinks after the show and never took anything before a match. In WCW, Saturn says he was high all of the time. He then tells a story of how he failed three drugs tests at WCW and they asked him what they should do about it so Saturn told them to stop testing him, and they did, as he told them he would go to the WWF if fired. Saturn said that he was sober when traveling with Dean Malenko in the WWF but when he retired to become an agent, he was stoned 24/7. He goes on state how he couldn’t remember matches and was surprised that no one caught on to his use.

He is asked about his face tattoo and he says he so fucked up that he doesn’t even remember doing it.

Perry is then asked about if he knew that people were making death speculations as to why he fell of the grid. Saturn says that when on drugs, he did not want to acknowledge who he was and wasn’t able to face his problem.

The next question asks Perry what made him clean up and come back? He states how he was sick of worrying how he was going to get high and wanted to get back to the person who he used to be. Saturn says that he started to get clean five years ago and has been clean for the past 2.5 years. He then adds how he would like to come back and wrestle.

Adam K., a guy who sends in constant video submissions, asks Perry if he was backstage at 2010 “Bragging Rights” PPV. Perry confirms that as true and that he wanted to say hi to Dean Malenko, who he did not talk to while high He also saw his friends Vicki Guerrero and Fit Finlay. Perry denies that he was looking for a job but did say hi to Vince, who he states was extremely busy running the show.

SHOOTING

Perry is asked if he actually did get shot while intervening during a mugging/raping of a woman and what was going through his mind as it happened? Perry said that it was true and he got shot twice, in the neck (which now has plates and screws as a result) and in his shoulder. He said that he really got bad into drugs as a result because he was unable to do anything active for a while as a result of the injury.

The next question comes from someone at the F4W Message Board and asks Perry how he learned to no-sell bullets? Perry then details the incident. He says that he saw two guys on top of a woman then ran over and pushed them over. One guy took off and Saturn thought that he got punched twice then pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed the other attacker. The police arrived and tried to get Saturn to go into the ambulance but he claimed he had no idea what was going on and had no clue that he was shot.

DRUGS

The first question asks Perry if he thinks cocaine is a hell of a drug? He said that he never liked cocaine but did use a lot of opiates. Perry then adds that meth has the greatest effects and after you stop, it takes years before you can enjoy anything. He started by snorting, then went to smoking before he began shooting it up.

Perry is asked to name the best party city? He says that New Orleans is number one but loved going to El Paso as they would go to Eddie Guerrero’s mother’s home then the local bar afterwards. The next question asks Perry his favorite person to party with and he says it was Raven, noting that they were both out of control. He is then asked if he ever partied with Scott Hall and tells a story of him and Kevin Nash driving to New Orleans so Nash could meet up with a stripper. They all partied the entire night and missed the show the next day. He says that he has partied with Flair, adding that just about everyone has seen him walk around with his pants around his ass.

Sean then pulls out the gimmick bag as it is time to play “What’s in the Bag.” In this game, Sean pulls out a substance and the guest says the first person that comes to his mind. Here are the results:

Jack Daniels-Terry Gordy

Marijuana-Sabu

Pills- Perry says himself then tells a story about how him and Raven used to play a game in which they would take Vicodin, Percocet, Soma, Halcion, and Valium then stick them into the pill bottle and shoot them down to see what they would end up with.

Cocaine-Buddy Landell

Crack-Buddy Landell. Perry tells a story of how he was driving around and smelled plastic burning in the back seat and turned around to see Landell smoking crack out of a can.

Needle- Again, Perry says himself. He said that he took a lot of steroids and noted that when you have money, you can afford the drugs that make you look good.

Perry is asked how bad the drug use was in WCW? He said that he can only speak for Raven and himself then tells a story of how they would fly to Philly and get 5,000 tabs of Ecstasy. They would take 20-30 pills daily for weeks at a time then give out the rest to girls and other wrestlers. He is then asked about the biggest partiers in WCW? He said that he and Raven were the worst and that the wrestlers had a dead pool at the time and they were the top two on everyone’s list.  Saturn said that Mongo could drink all night and believed that he was doing coke, as he would be up all night long from drinking and act crazy. He denies a rumor that staed Hogan and Savage always had beer in the locker room.

He is asked if he has any good stories from ECW. He tells a story before their first PPV of how he, Kronus and Louie Spicolli brought a girl to their room for a dog-and-pony show. In the lobby bar, Francine said something to piss off the girl and Saturn said he yelled at her. He then claims that Shane Douglas said something to him then told Paul Heyman what happened. Heyman then called Saturn into a room with Taz, Douglas, and Bubba Dudley and lectured him. As they were walking out of the room, they walk by that same girl and Heyman said that he did her. Saturn is then asked if Heyman smoke pots with the wrestlers and he claims to have never seen that take place.

Saturn is asked if the drug use in the WWE was more rampant than in ECW and WCW. He says it was not and that there were a lot of younger guys in the WWE and that you were rewarded for working hard, compared to WCW where it was all about who you knew.

He is asked if he ever took steroids. He said that he did and between that and the other dugs he was abusing, his blood pressure was always sky high and he would have to lay down for fifteen minutes so he could pass the test. Sean asks Perry if he ever felt discomfort. Perry says that he did not because he was constantly high.

MIKE BELL

For this chapter, Sean shows Saturn clips of his match against jobber Mike Bell from Velocity, in which he beat the shit out of the jobber. Saturn starts off by admitting that he was in the wrong then does provides commentary for the clips. Saturn said that after Bell dropped him on his head twice in a row, he freaked out and started laying into him before tossing him out of the ring, with Bell landing directly on his head. Saturn said that the office was pissed about that spot more than anything else and that he tossed him out of the ring so he could calm down. Outside, Saturn rams bell into the steps hard, but Saturn said that he did that spot all the time and that it was safe because your ass would hit the stairs. After that, the match went on normally. Perry then said after the match ended, Vince was waiting for him in the locker room and asked what the fuck happened he was doing. Saturn said that he apologized and asked if Bell was okay. The follow up question was from a guy who asked that if Bradshaw giving him two hard powerbombs on the next RAW was a receipt for the Bell match. Saturn said that it was not and that is just how Bradshaw worked. He said that he, Bradshaw, Faarooq, and Malenko all went out that night.

MOPPY

Saturn said that Moppy was not punishment for the bell incident, but rather an idea from Vince. He then said that his only idea during the whole angle was to put Moppy in the wood chipper. He said that he absolutely hated the Moppy storyline. He said that it was much worse than wearing a dress in WCW then goes on to state how the dress was actually his own idea.

TERRI

Perry is asked who came up with the idea of pairing him with Terri and if Dustin was mad. Perry said that he has no idea who came up with it and that he doesn’t know why Dustin would be mad, because those two had been split up.

He said that he liked Terri, putting her over as a good friend and a professional. She would do anything to get the idea over and would stay in character, even backstage. Saturn then said how Terri told him she would do anything to get over, except for having sex. The next question asks Perry who weighed more, Terri or Moppy. Saturn said that Moppy weighed more. He then is asked if he ever popped wood while touching her. Saturn doesn’t believe that he did. He is then asked why the duo ended so abruptly and Perry said that he was too fucked up on drugs at the time.

SEX

Perry is asked if he has any got “rat” stories. He then tells us about him and Raven were in Universal Studios at the WCW TV tapings and had a ton of time to kill. They were all fucked up at the hotel with a pair of strippers and decided to go out and get a Slip-and-Slide. They set it up in the hallway then took apart the sink and attached a hose to get it wet. One of the strippers was naked at the end and Perry had a strap-on attached to his head and Raven tried to slide him across, but it did not work so they then decided to use the fire hose. Well, they ended up flooding the floor below and security chased them out, with Saturn running away and naked still wearing the strap-on.  After that, they got every single person associated with WCW kicked out of the hotel.

The next question asks im about his wildrest rat story and Sean presumes the previous one was but Perry tells another story. He said that he was with Raven and Billy Kidman. They created something called “The Rhino,”which was a strap-on attached to wrestling head gear, like Rick Steiner used to wear. He and Raven picked up Kidman, who was wearing the Rhino, and fucked the girl. The girl then starts to have an intense orgasm and ends up snapping Kidman out of their hands. Saturn then tells us that the next night on Nitro, Lodi held up a sign about the Rhino, then tells us that a majority of Lodi’s signs were sex-related. Saturn also tells us that Raven used to carry the Rhino through airport security all of the time.

Saturn is then asked about Chastity from ECW and if she is as nasty as New Jack claims. He said that he only went out with her a few times and it was nothing serious, then mentions that it might have been a fling.

Saturn is then asked a bunch of questions, like how big was Batista’s dick and how big was Chyna’s dick. He has no idea. He then said that Terri would have been the diva that he wanted to sleep with but glad he didn’t as they were friends. He is asked if he has any Tammy Sytch stories and said that he doesn’t and they got along fine.

Saturn is then asked to play “Fuck,Marry,Kill” between Trish Stratus, Lita, and Missy Hyatt. He is asked if he can kill two of them, saying that Missy is annoying and that he hates Lita. He tells a story of when he and Malenko were teaming against the Hardy’s. Lita would tell Dean how to lead the match. Saturn said that was bullshit as Dean is the more experienced one by a mile and that is who always gets to lead. He does state that Trish is way cool.

Up next, is the “Ho Bag” game. For this, Sean gives a name and the guest decides whether or not to put her in the ho bag. This was not an eventful edition of the ho-bag. He puts in Stacy Keibler, Tammy Sytch, Missy Hyatt, and Debra. He calls Lita a “cunt” then throws in her the bag as well. Besides Lita, he didn’t bury anyone before throwing them in the bag.

Saturn is asked if he ever fucked a chick while making her wear a mask, bringing up a story Raven told about nailing a chick while making her wear the Mortis mask. Saturn said that he did not but he did once put a condom on Moppy and fuck a chick. He then said that at TC one day, Vince came up to him (He heard a rumor about the Moppy story) and brought him into the production meeting to tell everyone and they all laughed.

DRESS

Saturn is asked about the dress and if he had to wear it in airports. He said that he was facing Jericho, who was going to leave for the WWF in a few months and he was supposed to go over but at the last minute, the match was changed to Jericho winning. He said that Bischoff was not there but on a hunting trip. He then said he would have to go the mall and get a dress for TV. He is then asked by frequent YouShoot video contributor Hess Express (A complete loser) about if he liked wearing a thong. Saturn said he wrestled in a thong because his first match he wrestled in, his regular underwear was showing and got ripped. He claims that his match in Minnesota wearing the thong got him two strippers after the show.

HEAT

He is asked about the biggest asshole he worked against. Says it was Matt Hardy because he wouldn’t let Malenko run their matches. He goes on to say how Jeff was the complete opposite of his brother and was cool. He then said that they did not get along with Public Enemy in ECW because he and Kronus came in to take their spot. He never had heat with the Steiners. He is asked about Vito DeNucci calling him the most unprofessional person he has ever worked with. Saturn says he has no idea who that guy was then goes on to tell us how Gerry Brisco would joke with enhancement talent that they had to get in their stuff during the matches and one time, told a kid to no-sell any offense because his family was in attendance. Saturn said that he got pissed and stiffed a kid and when he went out back after the match, all of the agents were laughing.

Saturn is shown a clip of Mike Graham during his “Guest Booker” DVD with Kayfabe Commentary stating that the little band of midgets (Benoit, Malenko, Guerrero, and Saturn) went up to New York and that they never drew anything for WCW, bragging about how they saved the company a lot of money. Saturn tells us that Graham is a half-foot shorter than he is and how he and Sullivan were nothing but backstabbers. Saturn also goes on to say how his six-man tag with Kanyon and Raven was one of the highest drawing segments in the history of Nitro.

They then play “What a Dick,” which is like the Ho Bag but with males. The only two names that he puts in are Mike Graham and Kevin Sullivan. He calls Bubbay Ray Dudley a dick but keeps him out because he liked him. He doesn’t put in Johnny Ace, which was a first.

POTPOURRI

In this segment, he is asked a bunch of random questions. He is asked about being billed from Boston and if that is really his hometown. He said that he was born and raised in Cleveland but trained in Malden, MA with Killer Kowalski. He is then asked if he is more behind on his child support payments than Ricky Morton but says that he is not behind at all. His first big money item he bought was a Sebring convertible. He said that he could bench 525 lbs three times but was roided up at the time. He says that Paul Heyman got him a spot in the “House of Pain” music video. His favorite shows are Criminal Minds, Seinfeld, and Family Guy.

THE BOYS

He is asked about his craziest New Jack story. Perry said that everyone was crazy in ECW at that time and nothing stuck out from him. He is then asked which wrestler didn’t look tough but really was. He said that Chris Jericho doesn’t get enough credit for being tough and that he never backs down. He said that while wrestling for the WAR promotion in Japan, they made him work with a 6’8 tall kickboxer who left him covered in bruises and he wouldn’t complain. He also says how Scott Steiner tried to rough him up on Nitro once and Jericho still wouldn’t back down.

He is asked about who the last man standing would be in the 1998 WCW locker room. He said it would either be Meng or the Barbarian and no one else would stand a chance.

RIP

Perry is asked about Eddie Gilbert. He said that when he passed, he left a message for his brother Doug and tells a story how Eddie walked him through a 45 minute broadway when he was stating out in Memphis. He then says the rumor that his son died in a car accident after he signed with WCW was untrue. He is still saddened about Eddie Guerrero’s death and continues to struggle with the Benoit tragedy. He is asked about Kronus and Perry states that he did not go to the funeral as he was all fucked up on drugs and didn’t even find out until he sobered up a few years later.

RADICALS

Saturn was asked if he was really tight with the rest of the group. He said that he latched on with them when Arn couldn’t wrestle anymore and he was considered a replacement for him in the Four Horseman stable. He is then asked the first moment that he wanted out of WCW. He said it was when Bischoff was fired and Sullivan took over as the booker. He talked about how even though he was a tag-champ, he would have to job in singles matches all the time. He then says he does not fault Sullivan for thinking that he couldn’t draw as that was what he thought and he had a job to do.

Saturn is then asked how Sullivan stated that he treated the Radicals well. Sullivan said that Russo would have them winning matches, then Sullivan and Graham would switch he finish to them jobbing at the last minute. Russo asked why they jobbed after the match ad Saturn said that he was just doing what he was told. Saturn then tells a story of how one time he asked Bischoff why he kept Sullivan around. Bischoff told him that sometimes, he creates a finish that makes money. Saturn told him that Sullivan would fuck him over one day and that is why Eric got fired and Sullivan kept his job.

Saturn is asked about Shane Douglas and if he was supposed to be part of the Radicals. Sean brings up how Shane felt betrayed. Perry tells us that it was a “double fucking” as Vince did not want Shane and was only willing to take him if he had too. At the same time, Shane was telling Bill Busch that he wasn’t going anywhere and was trying to get the group to stay. Sean asks if there was any interest in Konnan and Rey Mysterio. He said that Vince was not interested in Konnan and that Rey did not want to leave.

ELIMINATORS

He gets asked about Kronus. He says that after sleeping with a woman, he would tell him how it was the best pussy he has ever had. He then lets us know that Kronus was illiterate and tells a story of how they were driving from Evansville to Memphis and he made the mistake of falling asleep in the passenger seat and when he woke up, they were crossing the Mississippi River. Saturn said that he would give Kronus the number of the exit but he would forget, then adds how they were had been making this same drive for the past six months. He said he always knew that Kronus had issues mentally and believes he had some form of mental retardation. He denies the rumor that Taz caused the team to split.

REFLECTIONS

He is asked what his career would be if he was not a wrestler. Saturn said he would probably be a career criminal as he grew up a violent kid living in the ghetto. He says the wrestlers that he still remains friends with are Raven and Dean Malenko and that the ECW Eliminator character was more like himself than any of his other characters.



Final Thoughts: One of my favorite YouShoot interviews. Saturn was honest and took full responsibility for becoming an addict, which is something a lot of addicts struggle to do. He also told some crazy stories about his time in WCW, which were a riot. Saturn did not have an agenda and was not here to bury everyone, which is what can happened in these shoots, especially during the games. Perry appeared honest and I am glad he was able to overcome his addiction and get back on the right track.