Everyone is talking about Orton cashing in at Summerslam against Bryan like it's a forgone conclusion...but I feel like we're missing the most obvious scenario of them all.
Cena beats Bryan in a war, and Orton cashes on Cena...doesn't that really seem the most plausible of all of the scenarios? It keeps Bryan hot, gives him a built in feud, and keeps Orton in the grey area of heel/face.
Right?
No, because I honestly think they're pulling the trigger and making Bryan a member of the Tippy Top Guy Club out of necessity. They NEED a new top guy and they've invested this much in him already, so they're gonna keep pushing until people see him at the CM Punk level for good. And that means he beats John Cena to win the WWE title. And then if Orton screws him out of the belt immediately afterwards, all the better.
If Orton cashes in on Bryan at Summerslam, he needs to punt kick him. Get Bryan off tv and build to a big comeback match between the two at Survivor Series.
ReplyDeleteI'm of the opinion that Bryan should beat Cena, then Orton goes for the cash-in...and Bryan wins with a fluke small package.
ReplyDeleteOrton loses his mind, beats the hell out of Bryan, boom, insta-feud. You can change the title the next month if you really wanted to.
Orton being the first to fail at an unannounced cash-in would be a great heel turn catalyst.
Just a little bit of a different take than what most think is going to go down.
I think the obvious scenario we are all over looking is Cena pinning Bryan after a good match and simply moving on to the next feud of the month... I hate to be a cynic about this sort of thing, but that is what I am preparing myself for so I won't be let down, and will hopefully be surprised.
ReplyDeleteI really don't see them establishing Bryan as a Tippy Top Guy, regardless of whether he deserves it or not. His size alone will always turn Vince off to making him an A-lister. Hell, he's smaller than CM Punk and Punk had to claw and scratch his way to being relevant, and even then he was Bret Harted as champion.
ReplyDeleteBear in mind I'm not saying I agree with the size thing, it's just my opinion on how Vince sees him.
You'd take their hottest character off TV for three months?
ReplyDeleteFuck that. I'm going to be rooting my ass off and marking out for Daniel Bryan the entire match. Not being excited about this match if you're a Bryan fan is missing the entire point of watching wrestling.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I don't know why they're so hot to put the strap on Orton when he's one more piss test away from a year-long suspension.
ReplyDeleteHe isn't exactly moving the needle now, so it's not like ratings will drop.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but Punk is also kind of a dick to everyone. Bryan from what I can tell is super genial. And if that bit about Bryan going backstage and raising holy hell after they stopped his match with Orton is true? I think that Vince eats that stuff up.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's what I see happening too. Because, you know, Cena...
ReplyDeleteI'll still enjoy the match and hope I am wrong... but I won't be surprised and heartbroken if I am not.
ReplyDeleteOnce again shoving ideas into a head you don't have access to.
ReplyDeleteBlog of Doom rehash tactic #398
Hey, it's total opinion on my part. I can be totally off. Gotta remember I'm a moron.
ReplyDeleteDidn't consider Punk's temperament, true. He certainly doesn't do himself any favors with his attitude. My favorite story was featured on his recent DVD where he said when writers used to approach him with his script for a promo or interview, he would tear it up in front of them.
ReplyDeleteBryan also works hard to stay in shape.
ReplyDeleteBryan beats Cena in a war, Orton cashes in... Bryan wins. Orton loses it a la Bobby Roode, there's Survivor Series. The Gauntlet match makes me think they're establishing him as a marathon man (as is Brie Bella - HIYO!).
ReplyDeleteOops, should have read all the comments.
ReplyDeleteI'm all for the proposed scenario. Good storytelling. Orton is always better as the over-cocky jock douchebag. The money is in the chase with Bryan. And Cena is basically infallible in terms of taking a loss here and there. Everyone either maintains or benefits greatly. Bryan as underdog against condescending asshole Orton is classic NWA stuff if they do it right. Cena should move on to the Shield
ReplyDeleteIf Bryan beats Cena AND Orton in one night I will pull my dick out and fuck my TV
ReplyDeleteAre you serious?
ReplyDeleteI already fucked your TV, enjoy my sloppy seconds!
ReplyDeleteWhat if Cena beats Bryan, Orton cashes in ... and Cena beats him too? After all, 2013's overarching story has been that it's the Year of Cena.
ReplyDeleteYou stuck your tiny dick in the actual socket though, I'm getting me some of that scart plug pussy
ReplyDeleteYeah... wow... so uh... TNA sure is in a lot of trouble amirite?
ReplyDeleteWhen the whole roster was out on RAW for Cena to pick, he should have chosen all of them as his opponent and simply pinned the entire locker room at once in a big dog pile... save us the trouble of letting it play out and seeing where it goes.
ReplyDeleteThis is why the Internet can't have nice things.
ReplyDeletedo you really want to see Cena clear the ring of all 3 members by himself every week?
ReplyDeleteFair point, but they only loose viewers in the fall (FOOOTBALL!) and I can't see Vince putting anyone who could stem that tide on the sideline.
ReplyDeleteNothing moves the needle right away. Hell even Austin was massively over as the spotlight guy for a year before the TV ratings caught up
ReplyDeleteThis would be amazing. Orton is still over enough that it would take something sleazy like attacking Bryan after a failed cash-in to really get the crowds to turn on him. The way they're building up the small package as Bryan's outta-nowhere finisher makes me think it could happen, too.....though he'll need the small package to beat Cena, since obviously Cena isn't tapping to the Yes Lock.
ReplyDeleteI'll admit I lol'ed at this.
ReplyDeleteThe Internet has all the nice things! (and bad)
ReplyDeleteYes, he actually admits to that on the bio. All signs seem to point to him being a self righteous asshole.
ReplyDeleteJesus Christ could show up on Raw and it wouldn't make a difference against football. If it didn't hurt Punk taking a few months off after WM, it won't hurt Bryan.
ReplyDeleteI think you just booked Survivor Series.
ReplyDeleteWhat about this scenario: Bryan has Cena trapped in the Yes-lock. Cena NEVER GIVES UP but is about to pass out from the pain. Just then Orton runs in, punt kick on Bryan for the DQ. Orton cashes in, RKO on Cena to win the title.
ReplyDeleteIn this scenario Bryan gets over because he was seconds away from winning the title, and Orton still leaves champ anyway. And he's probably even MORE over as a heel because he didn't allow a clean finish to teh Bryan/Cena match. From there both guys chase Orton, perhaps with bryan finally winning the title at Survivor Series and successfully defending against Cena at Royal Rumble. (AND FROM THERE, Cena decides it's time to go after the one accolade he's enevr had: ending Undertaker's streak.)
Anyway, my personal two cents is I would HATE to see Bryan win the title and immediately lose it. They've done a good job in the last year or two of reestablishing the idea of meaningful WWE title reigns, I'd hate to see them go back to hot-shotting it. Leave that shit for the WHC.
Meaningful reigns don't necessarily mean long reigns. Punk's run was awesome, but I don't really want to see another year-long title reign. I think hot-shotting the belt is OK once in a while.
ReplyDeleteSo CM Punk isn't in shape?
ReplyDeleteAgreed, not every reign needs to last 434 days, but it doubly sucks here because it would also be Bryan's first WWE title win. I still think they should try to make that first title win be as memorable and important as possible, especially for faces. Guys like Hogan, Warrior, HBK, Austin, Eddie, Batista and Cena himself got lots of mileage out of having super memorable title wins followed by decent-to-long title reigns. Hell, even though he lost it a month later, the biggest visual in CM Punk's career is blowing the kiss to Vince and leaving with the WWE title at MITB. I mean, Vince knew it would have fucked up Austin's run if Jeff Jarrett had rushed out with a briefcase and sneakily won the title right after Jim Ross shouted "The Austin era has begun!" at Mania 14.
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm saying is, if they want to put Bryan in the Mega-Over-Superhero-Face-Club, then they shouldn't treat his first WWE Title win as a subplot in the eternal feud between John Cena and Randy Orton. They should make the moment be about him, or wait until they're ready to do so.
And the winner for funniest post on the blog this year goes to you!
ReplyDeleteWhat about this scenario: Orton doesn't cash in at SummerSlam.
ReplyDeleteI prefer this scenario, as it's something that WWE hasn't done with the briefcase yet, at least not that I recall. The closest thing was the first cash-in, with McMahon announcing Cena vs. Edge right after the Elimination Chamber match.
ReplyDeletePlus, I agree that it doesn't give Bryan a cheap WWE Title win and allows for him to chase it and have a moment without it being ruined.
Ummm, here's the most obvious scenario:
ReplyDeleteBig Show attacks Bryan during his entrance and chokeslams him on the entryway. Cena tries to help but eats a WMD for his interference. Orton comes out with the briefcase, drags Cena to the ring, hands over the briefcase and hits an RKO the second Cena struggles to his feet. Orton pins Cena for the title and is immediately attacked by The Shield. The Shield hits the triple powerbomb, pose in the corners and are about to continue their assault when The Usos and Mark Henry run out and chase them away. The Usos continue the chase, but Mark Henry pauses to look longingly at the World title on the ground. He looks from the strap to Orton, picks up the new champ, gives him the World's Strongest Slam and shouts out, "I'm not done yet." He attempts to pick up Orton a second time when he's stopped by Cena, who's recovered enough to intervene and fight with the wig-splitter all the way to the back.
Crawling past this skirmish is the wounded but still alive Bryan who weakly climbs in the ring and demands that his title match still take place. Orton begins showing signs of life again, so the referee agrees. Bryan immediately goes for a Yes-lock but Orton improbably reverses to an RKO, which saps the last of his strength and leaves both men near unconscious on the mat. The ref begins a ten count. At the count of 9, Orton gets his arm over Bryan. A millisecond before the refs counts 3, Bryan swivels into a Yes-lock. Orton is on the verge of tapping, when "Here Comes the Pain" begins to play. All eyes turn to Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman on the entrance way. Meanwhile, Curtis Axel sneaks into the ring from behind and McGillicutter's Bryan. The ref turns back around and counts as the challenger makes a miraculous kick-out at 2. Brock charges the ring, but is jumped by Punk seconds before he can dive through the ropes. Axel comes to Brock's aid, but all parties are taken out by a Bryan suicide dive.
Orton tells the ref to count him out, but at the count of 9, the lights go out and The Wyatte family music begins to play. When the lights come back on, the ref is gone and Bray is sitting in his rocking chair and talking about how the WWE superstars have lost their way and are like rats turning on eachother as they drown in a barrel of fear and regret. He then begins singing a verse from Rod Stewart's "Young Turks" as his brothers attack the downed Punk, Lesnar, Bryan, Orton, and Axel. Just as they are on the brink of decapitating Bryan with the ring steps, R-Truth and Kane hit the ring for payback from their previous assaults.
Bryan tries to stand, is too weak and ends up on his hands and knees. Orton signals for the punt, but as he charges Bryan he is caught by Punk and given the Go-to-Sleep. The impact causes Orton to bounce off the ropes and collide with Punk who is knocked backwards, butting heads with Bryan who has finally risen. Punk falls out of the ring and Orton collapses on Bryan just as a new ref finally hits the ring and counts 3. Orton retains, going over Cena and Bryan in one night and cementing his role as the Apex Predator of the WWE.
Bryan feuds with Punk. Orton does a triple-threat feud with Cena and Henry. Lesnar and Axel team up against the Wyatte family. Big Show continues punching random people. R-Truth and Kane lose to Wyatte's on Raw the next night and transition to a feud with the Shield (after going over the Usos). This match just books itself.
Yup.
ReplyDeleteI think it'll be on RAW the next night.
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Still better than anything Jesse Baker books...
I can't like this enough. It's hilarious!
ReplyDeleteDrugs are bad for you?
ReplyDeleteWait are you replying to me? If so Bryan has a bio where he admits he works hard to stay in shape and comes off as a self righteous asshole?
ReplyDeleteThat's why I stick to Kool-Aid
ReplyDeleteI think you left a few guys back in the locker room.
ReplyDeleteHas Cena ever hesitated to put over babyfaces?
ReplyDeleteJust saying Daniel Bryan is working hard to earn his spot. don't get mad bro.
ReplyDeleteI can't see Bryan beating Cena. Cena will never tap out until they turn him heel. It just isn't something his character does. So I mean unless they're going to book a title change on "Bryan slips out of the AA and gets the small package" it just isn't possible from a match booking standpoint. And I just can't believe WWE would book their 2nd biggest show main event to end like that even if it's not "really" over and Orton is going to steal the title at the end.
ReplyDeleteThis is one of those things that I would absolutely love to be proved wrong on and that Cena will tap clean in the middle of the ring after a hard fought match but that's just not how John Cena is booked.
It's one of my serious problems with how WWE is booked in general and one of the cases where I prefer TNA's booking. Main event WWE faces never tap. HHH who never seems to have a problem tapping in the past only tapped to Lesnar when his arm was (storyline) broken. They've tried to counter that by having Orton tap clean to Del Rio last year and tap (mostly) clean to Bryan this month but it's just not a match finish that WWE books.
2 years ago, in the main event of the 2nd biggest show of the year, CM Punk pinned John Cena. He survived that, didn't he?
ReplyDeleteYou can just presume anyone who doesn't run out was also punched by the Big Show. Except Zach Ryder who tried to run in but was booked to job to a heavy door on the way out of the locker room.
ReplyDeleteNot mad... just don't see how you can think Punk is out of shape but Bryan is working hard to get in shape...
ReplyDeleteDid you even read his comment?
ReplyDeleteIt's not that they won't book Cena to lose, Cena isn't on full Hogan status. He still does jobs, usually by interference, but he does them.
ReplyDeleteIt's just a question of how they get through through previously established WWE logic. Cena can't tap. Even if interference is a factor Bryan doesn't have an established pinfall finisher other than the small package.
When you look at it from a wider standpoint the whole "main event faces don't tap" leads to a larger booking problem. Heels who have submission finishers can't win clean over guys on their level or above. It's why heel Bryan had such a terrible win record. WWE logic said he couldn't beat guys clean, only screwjobs. It's why heel Del Rio has such a bizarre booking pattern that they're just now trying to rectify. Orton tapping to him last year was rare enough for me to remember because that's just not how WWE books matches.
My comment was less a commentary on the match in particular (although it applies) as it is to WWE booking in general.
Even if it's not the finish, I just really wanna see Cena go for the Five Knuckle Shuffle, but when he does the "you can't see me" thing, Bryan grabs the arm and gets the Yes Lock.
ReplyDeleteHHH tapped clean to Cena. If that can happen, Cena can tap to Bryan
ReplyDeleteBryan is main eventing the second biggest PPV of the year. Win, lose or draw, he's made it.
ReplyDeleteWhile I don't doubt (ok maybe a little) the WWE want Bryan as a 'tippy top guy', the problem with fighting Cena is he never taps, and Bryan's finish is a submission. So how else does Bryan win matches? Well he wins a lot by rollup/small package etc, but in the WWE mainevent style that's the same as a cheap or fluke win, so even if Bryan goes over, he's still not "going over".
ReplyDeleteSolution: Have Bryan defeat 3 wrestlers in a gauntlet series on Raw by pinfall from various- ohhh wait...
They're very different characters though. As dominant as HHH is, he's supposed to be a crafty veteran who outsmarts his opponents, unlike Cena who's supposed to be a superhero. That's why Trips sells just about everything like death, whereas Cena tends to no-sell (not a criticism, just a fairly common observation) and that's why Trips has tapped several times as a main-eventer (both as a heel and as a babyface) whereas the last time Cena tapped was as a midcard babyface close to a decade ago at No Way Out 2004.
ReplyDeleteUm, cena might not tap, but they could do the 'passing out in the yes lock' finish.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sold on on Bryan being pushed for the "Tippy Top Guy Club" just yet and will not at all be surprised to see him buried (even just slightly) and/or turned heel in the aftermath of Summerslam (ala CM Punk in 2012). I know we think they NEED a new top guy, but I'm not convinced Vinny Mac does, and I will remain skeptical until proven otherwise.
ReplyDeleteNo words to describe it...they should have sent a poet.
ReplyDeleteAgree with this. If anything HHH seemed to have a serious problem with getting pinned. Outside of the Batista feud it seemed like when he had to lose the big match he preferred to tap.
ReplyDeleteEither one makes sense. I'm a fan of the "passing out" finish and I think it fits Cena's character. In kayfabe, he goes through a couple years of drama, finally overcomes the Rock to regain his title and isn't willing to tap it away. Bryan beats him clean in the middle, Cena keeps his tough guy image, and come-to in time to endorse the new champ (unless of course Orton cashes in before then)
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't need to tap clean. I actually think it makes more sense for Cena to keep fighting it until he passes out.
ReplyDeleteThat's a fair point. He has tapped in as many big match situations as laid on his back.
ReplyDeleteThis. This! A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!
ReplyDeleteI like this even more. Bravo
ReplyDeleteFair point...
ReplyDeleteWhatever we assume will happen at SummerSlam probably won't as creative has been making a point lately in 'tricking us" as to match outcomes.
ReplyDeleteNobody here even had Orton in their top 3 to win the briefcase. So im sure SummerSlam will result in the same of giving us a somewhat unexpected ending
We'll know a week before the show when Reddit guy hits the web.
ReplyDeleteThat said, even though the bare results don't really have everything to do with what makes a PPV enjoyable (i.e., Redditguy didn't out the Heyman turn, nor did he mention the manner in which ADR would retain, etc.), I think I'm going to avoid him on this go-around since this PPV has the potential to be the best of the year.
I don't think it's a conscious decision on HHH's part, or if it is, it's a silly one since tapping (especially as a babyface) makes you look a lot weaker than being pinned. Hence the "You tapped out" chants he got at SummerSlam last year.
ReplyDeleteCompared to Bryan, not really. At least from a physique standpoint.
ReplyDeleteJust like how The Miz made it after winning the main event at Wrestlemania.
ReplyDeleteThat's silly.
ReplyDeleteI'm not talking about Cena himself (I've never heard of him refusing to put over anyone), but the way he's booked.
ReplyDeleteIf they REALLY want to make Bryan a tippy toppy guy, have Orton come out and get small packaged.
ReplyDeleteNot suspension, termination.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's how I felt going into Cena/Punk at MITB '11. I'm taking the same, "yeah, but maybe..." attitude.
ReplyDeleteTHat's @White Thunder's gimmick to talk about how CM Punk isn't in shape.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to be watching this either in a Bailey's or a Hooter's. I'm going to be the BIGGEST SMARK ASSHOLE if Daniel Bryan wins.
ReplyDeleteIt's the small package, they're REALLY building that up as a finisher.
ReplyDeleteI think the same. He's great in the ring, very over, not a problem backstage in any way, great with the fans, his make a wish video last year was so much more awesome than any Cena's ever done.
ReplyDeleteHas Cena been booked over babyfaces? (Especially babyfaces that need the lift)
ReplyDeleteLet's see, lost to Batista, lost to Punk, lost to Orton. He put over all of them as babyfaces when they were just taking off or getting started.
Don't give them ideas. They'll probably have Cena win and Small Package Orton
ReplyDeletemabel in '95
ReplyDeletebam bam at wm xi
the 'yes i can fucking see you, you dumbass, now TAP!' lock
ReplyDeleteIt might be plausible because Cena rarely loses, but it's certainly not a better scenario for anyone, I don't think. Bryan looks worse because he lost to Cena. Instead of Orton cashing in on a red hot babyface everyone loves who finally managed to win the title, turning heel in the process, he cashes in on a guy that half the crowd will cheer him for beating, especially when Cena just beat Bryan.
ReplyDeleteAnd Orton doesn't need to be in a grey area. Why? WWE needs a top heel really badly right now. Here's a quick scenario for you. Let's play pretend and say WWE is going to do a Survivor Series, 5 VS 5, face vs heel match with their 5 top faces VS their 5 top heels, and you can't use part timers like Brock. Cena/Bryan/Punk/Sheamus/Orton are probably the face side, right? Who's the heel side? Seriously? Del Rio/...umm...Big Show if he doesn't come back as a heel.../i guess the entire Shield because who else do they have right now? And that's ignoring that guys like Ziggler, Henry, and Kane wouldn't even make the face team, it's so stacked. They really need one of those top guys to turn heel and REALLY turn heel, not some wishy washy in between thing, and since they won't turn Cena, Orton and Sheamus are the only two that really make sense. Orton to me is a better heel anyway.
I honestly think the money is in Bryan beating Cena (which elevates him), Orton immediately cashing in and turning heel, and then building to a big rematch down the line (not rushing it the very next month...a triple threat with Cena/Bryan/Orton would be okay, but save the Bryan/Orton singles match for later, maybe even Wrestlemania if guys like Punk, Cena, etc. are all busy with Undertaker, Brock, maybe Austin if he does come back).
...the aristocrats?
ReplyDeleteY'all overanalyzing everything. SummerSlam ends with Bryan as champ.
ReplyDeleteIf they want an Orton cashin, it would be 1000 times more effective on Raw.
They are banking on a lot of people buying SummerSlam to see Bryan win the title. You don't make people pay to get pissed off. You piss them off for free and then make them pay to see the conclusion.
Booking 101. Bryan is a license to print money right now. You don't get cute and mess that up. The WWE has made a ton of bad booking decisions in the past few years. This won't be one of them.
And as an added bonus, all the rumors will make the obvious ending seem like a surprise. Orton with the briefcase in a red herring. Without it, there is no intrigue...Bryan leaves as champ, buyrate does good and the McMahons count more money.
The money is in Bryan, period. The beauty of him is that as an underdog champ, they can make it feel like a continous chase.
ReplyDeleteThere is NO money in Orton as champ.
They got you. Bryan is the guy now.
ReplyDeleteCena is going to tap out. You don't half ass a push to the moon.
ReplyDeleteAnd you give Cena excellent motivation for the rematch.
The most obvious scenario is Nash comes out if the crowd, power bombs Bryan after he beats Cena, Orton cashes in then Nasg and HHH bore the entire Raw audience talking about text messages.
ReplyDeleteIf they're smart, they do the cashin at 8pm during the first night of Monday Night Football.
ReplyDeleteI don't mean Punk's out of shape in general, but as far as physiques go, Bryan's is definitely better than Punk's. Bryan isn't huge or anything, but he's actually pretty built. His physique reminds me of Stone Cold's. Punk's physique isn't terrible, but it's only slightly above average.
ReplyDeleteThere is money in Bryan chasing Orton for the belt.
ReplyDeleteBryan has pinned people after the flying headbutt and I vaguely recall him getting a pin after kicking someone in the head.
ReplyDeletePrecisely. At some point, they REALLY need to have someone lose the cash-in match (Cena last year doesn't count since he technically won the match by DQ). Orton is bulletproof enough in terms of being over to take the hit, and it would REALLY rocket Bryan into the stratosphere.
ReplyDeleteI thought Hooters stopped doing WWE PPVs a long time ago.
ReplyDelete"They are banking on a lot of people buying SummerSlam to see Bryan win the title. You don't make people pay to get pissed off. You piss them off for free and then make them pay to see the conclusion."
ReplyDeleteSee WM2000, exchange "Bryan" for "Rock".
I was going to post the exact same thing after reading this. =)
ReplyDeleteYou're going to watch LAD pull his dick out and screw his TV?
ReplyDeleteEveryone who works hard to stay in shape is a self-righteous asshole!!!
ReplyDeleteDaniel Bryan
Rick Rude
Ultimate Warrior
Vince McMahon
Need I go on?!?!
:)
Both made a shit load of money.
ReplyDeleteYou mean The Miz who main evented multiple other PPVs that year?
ReplyDeleteDear LAD,
ReplyDeleteIf you're not simultaneously gnoshing on a pastrami sando with spicy mustard, you might as well be fucking a telegraph.
Sincerely,
George Costanza
Oops...I thought you were replying to RLatimer. My mistake.
ReplyDelete"Booking 101. Bryan is a license to print money right now. You don't get cute and mess that up."
ReplyDeleteSo was a baby face CM Punk in 2011 heading into 2012.
Don't forget King Kong Bundy at WM II. Goes from main event to feuding with midgets one year later. Could that be Daniel Bryan's future.....or is he one of the midgets?
ReplyDeleteThey don't care, once they got your money for ordering the PPV they can do anything. I still think Cena wins and Orton cashes in, but fails and Bryan gets shunted down to feud with Fandango by Football season.
ReplyDeleteThey have half assed plenty. Punk tapping HHH would have been appropriate in 2011 too, but that moon-push became a shit show (Nash, HHH, Del Rio)
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