Happy Monday BOD'ers.
Listening to the second part of the Austin-Jim Cornette podcast had me wanting to find another Midnight Express and this one they had with the Southern Boys at Great American Bash 1990 is one of the best tag matches I've ever seen. Awesome action and a tremendous finishing sequence caps off a match that ranges anywhere from ****1/2 to ***** depending on who you ask. I'm closer to five stars for what it's worth. Enjoy this under appreciated match.
Listening to the second part of the Austin-Jim Cornette podcast had me wanting to find another Midnight Express and this one they had with the Southern Boys at Great American Bash 1990 is one of the best tag matches I've ever seen. Awesome action and a tremendous finishing sequence caps off a match that ranges anywhere from ****1/2 to ***** depending on who you ask. I'm closer to five stars for what it's worth. Enjoy this under appreciated match.
Threadjack: Schwartz and Schiano are gone.
ReplyDeleteThis was a great episode of Raw! I always love the shows where the crowd is super hot, makes everything come off better on tv.
ReplyDeleteThey had a match in Japan, it's one of the weirdest fucking things I've ever seen. It's on Youtube, I'd post a link if I wasn't doing this from my phone.
ReplyDeleteWatch a Giant Gonzalez/El Gigante match...
ReplyDeleteI was about to give you shit for not putting 20 in the top tier then you made a good point. I agree completely.
ReplyDeleteRemember that time they had Freddie Blassie 'rally' the troops before the invasion?
ReplyDeleteHakushi worked for Michonoku Pro in Japan. WCW got it's Japanese talent from New Japan. Since Haskushi wasn't part of New Japan he might not have really been able to latch onto WCW.
ReplyDeleteI think they mean the crowd would have accepted his push more easily thanks to the credibility gained from the 7 on 7 match.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Nobody outside of New Orleans cared when Brees got the record, and nobody outside of Denver cares that Manning broke it. Football isn't baseball. The records aren't treated like sacred objects.
ReplyDeleteHere you go. With Bruce Pritchard (not Brother Love) as Taker's cornerman, no less.
ReplyDeleteAlso, for shits and giggles -- and for the tremendous entrances -- here's Hakushi vs. Great Muta.
I'm not sure he could have gotten a job in WCW due WCW's relationship with New Japan (Hakushi didn't work for NJPW).
ReplyDeleteAppreciated. My opinion (even pre-2007) has always been that show has a LOT of shovelware. The 6-7 big matches are all fine and well, but when you get to, say, the Cruiserweight open, the Women's title match, and both 4-way tag matches? It's really easy to feel like the show should've been shortened.
ReplyDeleteHe was. He even broke Flair's record from the previous year on time alone. The major difference being that he didn't win it.
ReplyDeleteThere's an argument that every show is deliberately filled with shite. This was especially so at VII.
ReplyDeleteWell, sure. Every show has at least one bad match. Even X7 had Chyna/Ivory and the Gimmick Battle Royal.
ReplyDeleteI loves me some Midnight Express...
ReplyDeleteI heard a rumor Bryan was pissed they called the match (they thought db was legit hurt) and even had the balls to yell at vince when he got to the back?? anyone else here this?
ReplyDeleteHe actually had a tag team with Muta (who created a new character Kokushi Muso)
ReplyDeleteThis match is insane and available on the best of WCW DVD.
ReplyDeleteThe first match disc on the Rise and Fall of WCW might be the best single wrestling DVD ever.
ReplyDeleteI think the Gimmick Battle Royal about to the spectacle of X7, myself.
ReplyDeleteIt's a solid list though, Lenny.
Or save yourself the time and watch paint dry. Same difference.
ReplyDeleteI'd imagine that Pettengill was somewhere in the late 20s-early 30s range.
ReplyDeleteECW was an option. He had a good match with Hayabusa against Sabu and Rob Van Dam too.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/eAhspD5QG5k
I can agree with you on Ziggler, but I really don't think Ryder was ever going to be more than he was. Maybe they can utilize him more on TV as fodder for some of the heels, but I don't think the WWE is going to have a lot of "what could have been" moments with Ryder.
ReplyDeleteI will be shocked if Schwartz doesn't end up with the Redskins, just because it would be the absolute dumbest (and therefore, Redskinsiest) outcome possible.
ReplyDeleteOr Nov Turner
ReplyDeleteI remember hearing this as well on 411. I'm not sure it they ever retracted it or not.
ReplyDeleteI'm kind of surprised that Schiano got canned, and considering how he turned the team around in the latter parts of the season going with a new coach seems like a dumb move to me, rampant MERSA infections aside.
ReplyDeleteNorv DOES get a lot of shots to coach, doesn't he? (Or at least it seems that way.)
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile Bill Cowher is doing shitty (and I mean SHITTY) commercials for Time Warner cable...
ReplyDeletehttp://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10111402/nfl-baylor-art-briles-seattle-darrell-bevell-top-candidates-washington-job
ReplyDeleteHe was like that terd the never flushes in SD. They always won JUST enough games to keep him around. Hes b pretty bad tho imo
ReplyDeleteI thought Browns management would sell their ass on the street corner to make this happen.
ReplyDeleteI would imagine that any Eagles fan feels the same way about Andy Reid.
ReplyDeleteHe's doing well in KC.
ReplyDeleteThey probably tried, but would pay hard-earned money for Browns ass? I sure wouldn't.
ReplyDeleteOh God, the Art Briles thing is REAL? And he's at the TOP of their wish list? Holy hell, I take it back. THIS would be the dumbest (and most hilarious) outcome possible!
ReplyDeleteExtremely well done.
ReplyDeleteWhen you put it like that....
ReplyDeleteOh, I know, it's like Lindy Ruff (who is a shitty coach, BTW, and so is Norv) and the Sabres. Eventually a coach has just been there too long and fans just want him gone. In Ruff's case that moment came in 2005, he didn't get shitcanned until early 2013.
ReplyDeleteFair. One could even say the same for Hogan/Andre at WM3, in a way. It's definitely not remembered fondly for the match quality or anything.
ReplyDeleteWhich is one of the rarest photos in life. I would say we'd NEVER see it only I once thought that is never see footage of ALF being puppeteered and I did, so now I have at least sole faith that eventually, any and everything will surface.
ReplyDeleteNot Browns ass, but Greys ass... As in Sasha Grey.
ReplyDeleteOr Greens ass. Rachel Greens...
ReplyDeleteWhat's the issue? Isn't that the Raw before Royal Rumble? It would be kinda silly to have him flounder around for a month before doing anything significant with him.
ReplyDeleteGreat match. Never seen it before
ReplyDeleteI had a crush on Downtown Julie Brown
ReplyDeleteYou know, something to think about:
ReplyDeleteAn underrate title match for an opener.
A great second match to follow on.
An overhyped match in the middle of the card.
A main event that failed to deliver above "okay"...
...that was then hijacked by someone who wasn't in the match to start.
WM 9 and WM27 look awfully similar if you squint at them, don't they?
Why the WWE never brought in Muta to work a program with the Undertaker is beyond me.
ReplyDeleteWhat was the overhyped midcard match in WM27? Triple H/Undertaker?
ReplyDeleteEven if he peaked with the US championship, it's still absolutely insane the way they nutted him. Somebody that loves the business and got himself over with a cheesy character? Nuts they couldn't have let him have a gentle landing and created another Santino-level character to push some merchandise.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/_teTgjGTD98?t=46m16s
ReplyDeleteYeah. he sold that DDT on the concrete like he had a migraine.
Wrestlemania XI is a special sort of bad, IMO, because it is probably the blandest of all the Wrestlemanias. Seriously, if it wasn't three hours, you could have easily mistaken it for an In Your House.
ReplyDeleteThat might very well be true.
ReplyDeleteIt's got Steiners vs. Luger/Sting on it, which is my favorite tag match of all time, plus all of the glory which was late 80's/early 90's WCW, which is imo the best era of wrestling
Curious to what Meltzer gave this, if anyone might know?
ReplyDeleteThis is a great match. I've been making a list of great tag team matches for my own amusement and I'm sure when I'm done this will rank pretty high.
ReplyDeleteThe whole past fall season?
ReplyDeleteTaker knew how to work the little man/big man match. A match against Hakushi hits 4 stars easy.
ReplyDeleteWow, just noticed how close he is. Guess I gotta work the live thread tonight.
ReplyDeleteHe was a TV/US title kind of a guy.
ReplyDeleteI read 411 and I sometimes post on there but the comments can get really exhausting since it's a cesspool of negativity and trying to be cool. Some of that bleeds over to here but it's a much better environment.
ReplyDeleteIt had more than a few celebrity appearances as well, so maybe not so much. Granted, most of those names won't hold up well in 2014 or anything, but for the mid-90's, they were all a big deal.
ReplyDeleteI could also see the argument that Diesel/Shawn is a good match, and it is, but the roles are just wrong. It was so much better when they switched at Good Friends, Better Enemies the following year.
You're a TV/US title kind of guy!
ReplyDeleteLosing that match did the Nexus no favors. In all honesty, the only guy who seriously benefited from being in the Nexus was Daniel Bryan, and he was fired right after the group debuted.
ReplyDeleteAfter he got crushed in the final one on one match against Cena in December, he slid down the card. Hard.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about the Monty Brown name was that WWE announced on their website that they signed "Monty Brown" then renamed him on television.
ReplyDeleteHe's the only guy on the roster besides Bryan and Cena that gets pops like a megastar so...
ReplyDeleteMagneto killed Kennedy by using his powers on the one bullet.
ReplyDeletePost it here when your done.
ReplyDeleteMxe at their best. This is fucking great
ReplyDeleteThe Pouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunce was awesome.
ReplyDeleteCalm down. No need to boil that water just yet.
ReplyDeleteSchiano is a complete asshole who is hated by many others around the league.
ReplyDeleteThe defense had Jared Allen and that is about it
ReplyDeleteGranted, but at the same time, Hogan-Andre was the feature attraction of 3. The battle royal at X7 was just kinda there. The features were Austin-Rock, Taker-Trips and TLC 2
ReplyDeleteAt his very core, he's a Punk. Not very many Punks I've come in contact with are comfortable with having tons of cash.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure I can eventually. It's going to be a while still as I have a bunch to still watch, no real time frame. I ws thinking of a top 100 or 150. Also I'm not going to review any Japan or international matches, so it will strictly be USA territory promotions. I would add Stampede but their matches are so clipped it's hard to judge them fairly. That's why I figure just stick with USA.
ReplyDeleteRight; that's why I said "in a way." The major difference was that a lot of people purchased WM3 for that match specifically. It's the biggest drawing match of all time.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the Battle of the Billionaires from WM23 is a better comparison.
I can understand Jeff still being pissed at Edge and Lita. Although, I will say if Matt can move on from it, then Jeff should consider the same.
ReplyDeleteI was a big Bret fanboy at this time. I was very worried that Yoko would win. A few people i knew got the PPV so I ran into school that Monday and all I asked was 'who is the champion' and they told me it was Hogan. I couldnt believe it.
ReplyDeleteThere's a ton of MX matches that could fit it your list. Any of the ones vs. the Rock 'N' Roll Express obviously. They had some great matches against the Fantastics. And a few weeks ago Princess posted their classic against Flair/Windham. Not sure if there's any good clips of the Eaton/Condrey vs. Rhodes/Magnum feud (I think it was mostly house shows).
ReplyDelete4.75 stars.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.profightdb.com/top-rated-matches.html?year=1990
I forgot Punk was on the Talking Dead last season.
ReplyDeleteThat match is great, just 10 minutes of four guys pulling out every big power move in the book and it all looked good.
ReplyDeleteIn 1994 if your options were to be a mid-carder in the WWF or a headliner in ECW, 99% of wrestlers out there would have chosen 'mid-carder in WWF'.
ReplyDeleteYeah, true, it certainly didn't help.
ReplyDeleteI had this one at ****3/4. It's fucking fantastic.
ReplyDeleteI also recommend seeking out the MX v. Fantastics matches from 1988, as they had a ***** match on Worldwide where the Fantastics won the US tag titles, and then a ****3/4 rematch at Bash 88 with Cornette in the cage above the ring. I have no idea how anyone could rate Eaton & Condrey as a better MX than Eaton & Lane given the caliber of stuff they put out, but then the original version was slightly before my time so it might be a "This team is the one I grew up with" effect, I dunno.
Raven was definitely one of those "I don't give a flying fuck if I burn all my bridges on the way out" type of guys.
ReplyDeleteI'm mad we never got an HBK-Hakushi match. They should've booked that at the 1995 KOTR.
ReplyDeleteI like both versions for different reasons. Eaton/Condrey was less athletic, much more heelish.
ReplyDeleteBut I'm also in the minority that think Eaton/Anderson with the Dangerous Alliance was a better tag team than Eaton/Condrey
Not really, no. Also, who underrates HVK v. Tatanka? Or overhypes Luger v. Hennig?
ReplyDeleteEven Peyton admitted as much in a CBS interview this weekend with Dan Marino. He said that the records of Marino don't really compare with what guys do today because of what defenses could do during Marino's time.
ReplyDeleteExactly how I felt when I watched that show. I was very angry that the Nexus didn't go over, since it virtually killed the angle. However, there were other boards at the time that defended Cena going over.
ReplyDeleteWhat defense could there possibly have been of Cena going over?
ReplyDeleteNexus should of gone over and imo, in very dominate fashion.
Disagree. I'd have loved to see Hakushi-Undertaker in 1995. Way better than Undertaker versus the Million Dollar Corporation that stole his urn!
ReplyDeleteThe Smoking Gunns are an underrated tag team. Their problem is that Billy kept getting hurt when they established momentum in 1995-1996. It's easy to forget that they debuted in 1993!
ReplyDeleteThey were also a victim of a poor tag team division at the time. The New Rockers, the Bodydonnas, and the Godwinns weren't exactly setting the world on fire. When the Apter mags would do their yearly WCW vs. WWF preview they would just write off the Gunns and the WWF tag division as no match for WCW and how can you blame them? WCW at that time had Harlem Heat, Sting & Luger, the Blue Bloods, the Nasty Boys, the Road Warriors, the Steiners, etc. I felt any of those teams (except the Nasty Boys because I hated those guys) would beat the crap out of the Gunns and twice on Sunday.
Monty Brown was great. I didn't watch much TNA, but when I did that guy really stood out.
ReplyDeleteHey this is McBoobie McSchnuffleschnook, and I came into your store...
ReplyDeleteSorry, not convinced, but nice try!
ReplyDeleteVince hates Raven because Raven used to take out an 18 year old Shane partying till 5 AM, not because of any burned bridges. Though that it his style, I'm of the same Costanza mindset when I leave a job. "Man, that guy git CANNED!"
ReplyDeleteThey announce his return on a show no one was watching and announce the date in an article no one will read.
ReplyDeleteEaton/Lane had more chemistry.
ReplyDeleteInsane to think that Bret was ELEVEN years older than Yoko at this time. Also, you failed to mention the fantastic ass on the last of the four girls holding mirrors for Lex. It's ingrained in my mind.
ReplyDelete9 was much better than 2.
ReplyDeleteOne good thing I'll give Gonzales is that at least he knew how to "rock" when taking shots.
ReplyDeleteIt's one of those things where I SWEAR I've seen it, but I've never seen the photo produced anywhere. Ever.
ReplyDeleteNot sure where the "Hogan went off to do movies
ReplyDeleterather than do the house show circuit" rumor got started, although it's been around for a long time.
Hogan did work house shows in 1993, mostly as a tag team partner with Brutus, although he had a few rematches with Yoko after his "final appearance" in the WWF.
Source: http://www.thehistoryofwwe.com/93.htm
I only speak the truths.
ReplyDeleteThe Clash match was the one that sold me on the NWA as more than a weekend TV curiosity; the mid-match table spot was maybe my first Holy Shit moment.
ReplyDelete"This gave the WWE it’s best three-month (ppv) span of the year." More than that, I'd say this was their second best 3 straight ppv run ever. 2001's trilogy (Rumble NWO, WM) probably tops it, but not by much. All six shows get an "A" from me, so really, you win either way.
ReplyDeleteAgain, haven't seen anything to make me say that with 100 percent certainty.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he did. You weren't there and neither were any of the rest of you.
See, you were doing well right up until the end.
ReplyDeleteAll I've ever said was that I have seen nothing to definitely say with 100 percent certainty that he did the things the guys on TV told us he did.
And no, I don't believe it was Bigfoot.
Dick.
I haven't seen anything to make me say with 100 percent certainty that people didn't walk on the moon. I wasn't on the moon and neither were you.
ReplyDeleteHey, this is fun!
I haven't seen any proof to make me say with 100 percent certainty that Oswald shot Kennedy. I wasn't in Dallas at the time, and neither were you.
I haven't seen any proof that makes me say with 100 percent certainty that the earth is round. I wasn't here when the universe was created, and neither were you.
The fact that you ignore the proof that has been presented to you doesn't make it not true.
Via fluke pin.
ReplyDeleteI remember being amazed when I first saw this match. Wasn't expecting it to be as good as it was.
ReplyDeleteI think the Hogan stuff is a double edged sword. I don't think Vince dumped him simply for "doing movies," or a house show circuit.
ReplyDeleteHe was in the F until August 1993. He was still doing interviews for the short lived WWF radio in early 1994. He did his last wrestling match in Japan in Jan 1994 before joining WCW later in the year. Hogan thought he was bigger than any company at that point, and Bischoff fell for it. To be fair, Hogan was a big name - but he never really had earth shattering drawing power after 1991.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely, 27 was hands-down the worst WM ever.
ReplyDeleteRE: (in no particular order with a given grouping)
ReplyDeleteI only ordered them by number within a specific grouping. Don't get me wrong, 27 is awful, but I'm not convinced it's the worst ever (though certain the worst in the 21st century thus far). That's fine that you think so, however.
A little old, I know, but random question: People always say "the black eye was caused by a feud over Elizabeth."
ReplyDeleteHowever, recent times have claimed that a reason Vince blackballed Savage was because Savage was head booker at the time he jumped to WCW.
If you assume Savage was on the booking team, and Savage caused the black eye in a fight, does it make sense that the reason for the fight wasn't Elizabeth, but rather "Hogan went to Savage and said 'Give me the World Title or I'm not showing up'?
It also makes a lot of other choices make sense (The KOTR Andy said here, the fact they tried making Luger a "new Hogan" less than a month later, and WWE letting Hogan walk to WCW for not being worth it and refusing to match their deal, even though WWF knew Hogan was the prosecution's star witness in the steroid trials and they absolutely HAD TO keep him on their side by any means necessary)