Undertaker Update
As of now, the plans for the Undertaker at WrestleMania still include him facing off against Brock Lesnar
Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Vince McMahon Says There Are No More Faces and Heels
At a recent meeting, Vince said that there are no more faces or heels, with the belief that no one in real life is either completely good or completely bad.
Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Kayfabe Commentaries "Breaking Kayfabe" Preview with Jim Cornette
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As of now, the plans for the Undertaker at WrestleMania still include him facing off against Brock Lesnar
Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Vince McMahon Says There Are No More Faces and Heels
At a recent meeting, Vince said that there are no more faces or heels, with the belief that no one in real life is either completely good or completely bad.
Credit Dave Meltzer, Wrestling Observer Newsletter
Kayfabe Commentaries "Breaking Kayfabe" Preview with Jim Cornette
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"No more faces or heels"--so is this the modern-day version of the "Not insulting our intelligence" promo from after Survivor Series '97? Maybe it was a statement, not a promo, I forget but it seems like that sort of idea.
ReplyDelete'No more faces or heels.' What's new? Brock Lesnar is a 'heel' who routinely saves Paul Heyman from being beaten up; Sheamus is a 'face' who bullies heels and makes jokes about how fat The Big Show is.
ReplyDeleteVince McMahon apparently channeling his inner mid-90's Paul Heyman and late 90's Vince Russo.
ReplyDeleteSo THAT'S what's been going on with Miz/Kofi
ReplyDelete....at this point, reaaaaally hoping Shawn has one more in him. Dance card's filling up and Bryan needs a partner
ReplyDelete1. Taker vs. Lesnar = No Buys (for me)
ReplyDelete2. Didn't he say that in 1997 too? Still makes Punk a generic, chickenshit heel in 2012 and Cena & Sheamus into smiling goofy babyfaces.
3. I will watch anything with Cornette, especially since I disagree with him a good bit of the time. Always an entertaining interview.
Arguably the greatest heel ever says there are no faces or heels. *facepalm*
ReplyDelete...and honestly, nothing inherently wrong with blurring the lines, but there needs to be an internal logic to it at least. In the past 10 days, Punk and Henry had to team with Cena, I think outside of the Shield mentioning Punk/Cena, nothing much mentioned about their past feuds. If you're getting rid of faces and heels, no reason Henry can't be a face with Langston, but still pissed at Cena for from the summer.
ReplyDeleteMy limited understanding of wrestling goes like such: fans hate one guy so much that they pay money to see the guy they do like beat the one they do not like. Without the face-heel designations what exactly is going to draw money? Fans paying money to see the guy they like sometimes beat up the guy they kind of hate sometimes?
ReplyDeleteI understand the part about blurring the lines, but the face-heel dynamic can never be completely abolished.
My 2 cents about Vince's statement.You're basically lying because Cena is booked as a smiling goof and orton as a coward villain.Also breaking the basic formula for a wrestling feud,you need a hero fighting the bad guy,however I do believe you can have a anti-hero guy sometimes.I hope everybody can understand my viewpoint.
ReplyDeleteHonest question: Has Brock done anything for the WWE in the past two years? Would you say bringing Brock back has been worth it? This can be from a monetary or publicity standpoint.
ReplyDeleteThey dropped the ball by making him lose to Cena,making him job to HHH,his feud with punk was good but the damage is already done.
ReplyDeleteStroked HHH's ego and gave Vince revenge? He probably would have paid out 5x what he did to get Brock pinned first match back
ReplyDeleteHow the hell are they not doing Cena-Undertaker?
ReplyDeleteEverytime Kayfabe Commentaries needs a topic to discuss they should just bring in Jim Cornette, because whether he's right or wrong, he's always entertaining to listen too.
ReplyDeleteWho knows, if Shawn doesn't commit, do Punk/Brock 2, Cena/Taker, Bryan/HHH
ReplyDeleteHonestly, there's no way in my mind that they AREN'T trolling the internet. Unless Vince has completely lost it, he can't be serious about any of this. Despite how he's been going on these past few years, Vince isn't stupid. Cena/Taker IS the money match, and Vince knows this. No way Cena/Wyatt happens, and no way Cena/Taker doesn't happen
ReplyDeleteI agree. Threw away so much money with that job to Cena, but as ProjectBlue stated, they probably didn't bring him back to make money with him.
ReplyDeleteI always got the impression with Henry that it's never personal. It's about respect. He fought Cena like a man, he lost like a man, and now he has no issue with Cena. I mean it'd be nice to have this brought up, but sometimes you can read between the lines and roll with it.
ReplyDeleteAs for Punk, just say he was humbled after he lost to The Undertaker and realised he dropped the ball in terms of focus. When he came back, he made it about the title until Heyman betrayed him.
Batista/Brock would probably draw more, and Punk's the only really logical challenger for Orton unless they're gonna somehow build Ziggler back up which I highly doubt they're going to do
ReplyDeleteThat'd sell WM 31. Makes sense to use Brock-Taker now, when it doesn't need to be the sole focus for a show.
ReplyDeleteTrue, I think I'd rather see Batista/Brock and Punk/Orton. Was kinda figuring Batista/Orton but would rather not do a Rock part-timer as champ redux
ReplyDeleteIf the faces/heels thing is true, good idea, Vince. I once saw a UFC fight in the days of yore where 200 pound Keith Hackney beat 700 pound Emmanuel Yarborough in about two minutes with punches. That was real life, so I expect to see Daniel Bryan beat bigger opponents without the 'he's not big enough' trope getting in the way.
ReplyDeletethey should have done the old school monster heel approach,let him destroy everyone,so when someone finally a facebeats him,it's a event of epic proportions.
ReplyDelete.
They've become accustomed to ignoring the past. They can go so many places with Punk but they just drop every interesting story he is in. IMO his feud with Vince and HHH is still unsettled.
ReplyDeleteMakes too much sense. Especially with his contract. Every few weeks, he'd come in, drop a couch on Miz and depart
ReplyDeleteThat made the most sense. Might have eventually turned Cena babyface
ReplyDeleteThat wouldn't be a monster heel approach. That would be turning him babyface.
ReplyDeleteI don't see them going with a part timer as champ post-Mania, and besides, even if Batista's going full time, why would they not do Brock vs Batista? It's a money match and a jizzfest for Vince, so it'd be perfect for WM 30
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I don't see most wrestling fans being able to accept that yet. I'm with you though, the bigger equals better booking needs to be phased out. It's just something fans have to be trained to accept.
ReplyDeleteYES! that's the spirit,brock comes around once in a while,destroy some main/upper mid card,building as someone even the heels cheer for his loss.Basically make him Ivan drago of wrestling.
ReplyDeleteNope. You need clear cut faces and heels to sell in wrestling. No, faces and heels don't have to be perfectly moral and can be edgy, but they must be in aligned as a heel or a face.
ReplyDeleteTo preemptive strike the myth of "Austin was a heel who got over as a face"...Austin was booked as a clearly defined face pretty much after the double turn until he started stunning women at the end of his careeer. He did edgy things but he was booked as after babyface with his core ideology being a "good guy"
Week one:miz
ReplyDeleteweek two:Big show
week three:Mark henry
Just goes on and on until he would challenge punk and destroy like the others.
Austin was a tweener til he broke his neck.
ReplyDeleteIf true, someone needs to tell Vince sports entertainment isn't a special little flower where none of the basic tenets of storytelling apply.
ReplyDeleteThat's fair, I should have been more specific. I was referring to more of the start of his main event run.
ReplyDeleteBut you were right on the first part. They couldn't make money with him until he was 100% babyface. He could behave that way in early 97 cause he didn't have to draw money
ReplyDeleteI was being sarcastic when I said, 'good idea'. Read the rest of my response :-)
ReplyDeleteAh. My bad then. Never know quite know with the Daniel bryan sentiment around here.
ReplyDeleteUnlike in 1996 and 1997, this "no more faces and heels" junk just sounds like a justification to keep shoving Cena down our throats.
ReplyDeleteI hope Brock goes back to UFC, they have completely fucked up his WWE run in every way possible. Wyatt vs. Cena and Taker vs. Brock isn't getting my money. Last Year was Wrestlemania - Unwanted Rematches, this years should be Wrestlemania Unwanted Matches. Also, Vince is losing his fucking mind. Vince's "faces and heels" comment is just an excuse to keep Cena in his same role and never have to turn him heel despite the fact that the audience has been begging for it for 8 years.
ReplyDeleteUFC would easily take him back,he was their highest draw.
ReplyDeleteMacklemore comments on the blog now?
ReplyDeleteProbably no Cena/UT because they don't want to job Cena at WM again right now..
ReplyDelete1) I've been commenting here for a long, long time and 2) Who?
ReplyDeleteIt would not hurt him,Cena is that guy that can afford a few jobs.
ReplyDeleteExactly, Vince has a permanent hard dick for babyface Cena.
ReplyDeleteBut even the whole shades of grey of 97 had slight alignment to heel or face side.
ReplyDeleteif SummerSlam topped 500,000 buys, he'd have one for Bryan too
ReplyDeleteWhy would Cena be a star like this today,he constantly makes "services" to vince,that's why.
ReplyDeleteCena is bullet proof at this point. He even lost to Tensai for christs sakes and he turned around and beat Lesnar.
ReplyDeleteBryan must have wrestled himself in that match. I recall a lot of people being turned off from the show with the addition of Triple H and impending MITB cash in looming.
ReplyDeleteThey even 50/50 book Cena!
ReplyDeleteI agree but maybe it is their line of thinking
ReplyDeleteSuperCena can run away from kriptonite,but he can't from 50/50 booking.
ReplyDeleteHe lost to freakin Tensai and still was over after the match.
ReplyDeleteYea Orton cashing in was the most obvious tell since Big Show saving Lauranitis at that ppv he wrestled Cena. (6 heel/face turns ago for Show).
ReplyDeleteLosing on Raw doesn't matter, WM is the "feel good" PPV, Vince probably wants the kiddies to go home happy with John Cena overcoming the odds again. I don't agree with it, just my theory..
ReplyDeletescrew the kids,it's for them to learn that you can have everything.
ReplyDeleteTaker winning would still send crowd home happy, especially if booked well. Also see WM6 where Warrior beat Hogan. Face V Face the outcome always has a feel good ending. (if done right)
ReplyDeleteThey could tease Cena turning heel in the build up and then have them bro hug after the match.
ReplyDeleteThe product desperately needs an anti-hero.
ReplyDeleteDafuq kind of revisionism is this? I just rewatched a few RAWs from early '97, pre-Wrestlemania 13. Austin was still being booked as a clear heel even in the weeks leading up to the show. The RAW where Sid wins the belt off Bret had Austin being a completely dick throughout the show, constantly interrupting the match. He wasn't booked as a face. Oddly enough, Sid was the only real face between the three of them.
ReplyDeleteIn hindsight, what turned Austin fully face wasn't so much Austin himself. Crowd reactions on those shows are still confused. He'll get some pops, as in the 1997 Rumble after his Diesel run, but by and large he's still getting booed. It was the Bret Hart character having a complete meltdown. The RAW before Mania, where Bret loses to Sid in the cage, is the one where he goes on an expletive-ladden tirade blaming everyone else for his problems. By the end of his rant, the crowd has pretty much turned on him. We like to think the turn actually happened in the match with Austin but Bret pretty much went full heel in that segment, so it wasn't so much a double turn as it was one heel being so much of a dick that the fans get behind the other guy.
Brock vs. Taker already happened as a PPV main event (three times) and back when both guys were a decade younger. There is nothing fresh about this match-up. Brock is not a threat to the Streak even a little bit, which is the only appeal of Undertaker in 2014. I have no clue what they see in this match helping sell Wrestlemania.
ReplyDelete4 heel/face turns, actually. And yes, I really counted
ReplyDeletePunk is the perfect guy for the job.However they dropped the ball in the summer of punk storyline.
ReplyDeleteTrue, maybe Undertaker has a few shows left in him too.
ReplyDeleteIf they kept Brock undefeated,this conversation would never exist.
ReplyDeleteYou couldn't prototype a better anti hero then punk
ReplyDeletethey could, but they wont. If anything the build would be a carbon copy of Rock V Cena from Last year. Cena needs this yaddy yaddy yadda, tombstone handshake at the end. (or if their real ballsy AA handshake at the end)
ReplyDeletejust watched this gem from 97
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlGqdvGzZvg
canadian stampede main event, heat off the charts!
I'm with you. This has to be WWE just floating rumors. That way it will seem fresh or organic when they shift gears toward whatever the actual matches are going to be. The Cena-Wyatt rumor sort of tips their hand a bit in that regard. There is nothing about the way Wyatt has been booked that tells me he is headlining a B-ppv, let alone a Wrestlemania.
ReplyDeleteIf they do it my way the whole thing would be nice trial run if they ever do plan on turning Cena heel. Sort of like the darkside of Hulkamania crice 1995. Or another take on it is turning Undertaker evil again. I recall him getting the "what" chants the last few times he tried talking on TV. They could still bro hug after the match.
ReplyDeleteSure, if they had kept him "special" since returning in April 2012 I could see it. But he is just a guy at this point and I can't imagine even the marks believing Brock has a chance of ending the Streak. That is the ONLY appeal of these matches--the idea that the other guy has some chance of actually doing it.
ReplyDeleteThere are literally 10's of guys I'd want to see Taker and Lesnar wrestle before they wrestle each other. I have no desire to see it.
ReplyDeletethe HHH series really ruined Brocks appeal 10 fold. If only the god damn LA crowd gave that jerkoff the cheers he wanted after tapping we might of been saved from 2 more brtually boring matches and they could of put Brock to better use.
ReplyDeleteand isn't this also how they are portraying him at the moment? it is very clear that he is a "good guy" but still he isn't the same kind of guy John Cena is (or even himself during his horrible 2011/2012 babyface run).
ReplyDeleteAgreed. For a moment, I had a lot of respect for HHH going out and tapping clean to Brock at SummerSlam. Part of me thought it was part of HHH doing what's best for business and building to a bigger pay-off (Brock challenging the Streak at Wrestlemania 29, or a title reign, or something useful). Then it just became painfully clear that it was about HHH getting his win back and nothing more
ReplyDeleteIf I could go back in time and undo anythign in pro wrestling history it would be Austin starting that damn What? trend. and doing that to Taker at this point in his career is just downright asinine and disrespectful.
ReplyDeleteI thought his intestine issues kept him from fighting. Plus he lost just as much in ufc.
ReplyDeleteWM 6 was 24 years ago when WWE had bookers & 2 red hot faces.
ReplyDeleteI doubt modern WWE writers can understand that concept, they are still wondering why Rock/Cena got booed out of the building after their big bro-hug
kind of like Shawns winking eye heel turn against Hogan with the "I had to Know" ending? Ps that was the most dick head thing I have ever seen someone do in the ring. That big boot bump looked like he got shot close range with a 12 gauge.
ReplyDeleteTo a point. Since his face turn they haven't gone full fledged anti hero with him yet, whether it's the pg restrictions, the wishes or creative, or they're just waiting for The WM build, they haven't gone all in with the anti hero character yet.
ReplyDeleteI just cant believe with all the tapes and history they can study to see what works and what doesnt that the WWE struggles to find compelling storylines. The statute of limitations done on things 20 years ago would be ok to recycle, especially if it was awesome!
ReplyDeleteI don't get the appeal either. It's not the worst match up ever but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a slow plodding match (like Brock/HHH). If they do it I want over the top violeent brawl with some blood
ReplyDeleteI clarified below, I mean more so on the build to WM through when he started stunning women. Essentially his duration as the top guy. I agree that he was tweeter pretty much during the times you mentioned
ReplyDeleteThe bigger point I was making was that some people think that since Austin gave the finger, stunned authority figures, and was a loner that he was a heel that got over as a face. His core characteristics were always that of a face tho...always wanted a fair fight, stood up for himself, didn't cheat, etc.
I just don't get UT/Lesnar at all. There is zero chance of Lesnar ending the streak, very low chance of a particularly good match, and no one who wasn't already buying the PPV is now buying it for that. What's the point?
ReplyDeleteAt this point, the only draw of UT at WM is if the streak will end.
At this age is pretty risky to make a bloodbath with Taker in it.
ReplyDeleteThose matches didn't end with Undertaker hitting Brock with the Tombstone and they need one for Undertaker's next DVD,
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the WWE actually watches those DVDs they make.. they could run a whole year worth of programs with just the Mid-South DVD alone.
ReplyDeleteCena/Bray Wyatt, Taker/Lesnar, Batista/Orton, HHH/Punk....this year's Mania is one big pile of bleh so far except for the chance of getting Bryan/HBK.
ReplyDeletethan seek out their HIAC match, bloody brawl and definately their best encounter.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how Cena's bulletproof when his shows do terrible buyrates. Because if the show DID do 500,000 buys, they'd just assume it was because people wanted to see Cena beat that dweeb with the beard
ReplyDeleteI've seen it. That's what I want if they do it, not another plodding HHH/Brock type of match, which is also a possibility.
ReplyDeleteHere's is my card for the main matches
ReplyDeleteBryan vs lesnar for the wwe title,HHH makes the deal with the devil and calls Brock since he no longer trusts Orton
Reigns vs Ambrose for the US title.Really simple,just repeat the whole batista turn in 05
Taker vs Cena.
I can dig all of that.
ReplyDeleteThe only guy I don't know were to book is Punk.Also no HHH or HBK wrestling .
ReplyDeletethats what I think is the best part of only one world title is now the secondary titles are more important. Letss see the WWE screw it up though. :(
ReplyDeletethey should unify the Ic/us.
ReplyDeleteI can also dig that.
ReplyDeleteas an NWA/WCW fan I would hate to see the US title go though.
ReplyDeleteHe'd have to be a complete idiot to go back there.
ReplyDeleteHere's a idea,Reigns becomes Ic champ and slowly starts his turn,just like Big Dave he starts to see how ambrose is pulling strings against him and with that Reigns leaves the shield.Ambrose then attacks him and challenges him at wrestlemania
ReplyDeleteI hope the fantasy booking makes sense to you guys.
such a shame, alot of their booking/creative problems can be solved by just looking into their huge library and SEE WHAT WORKED! I mean they own pretty much every tape from every company that ever existed (sans TNA).
ReplyDeleteIt's the best thing I've seen out of Brazil since the wax.
ReplyDelete"Hear that, Monsoon? No more faces and heels! I guess you'd better drop the heel act."
ReplyDelete"Heel act?! And just what are YOU supposed to be, Brain?"
"A broadcast journalist!"
"WILL YOU STOP?!"
Taker is so stubborn. We get it. You love MMA and want to play fight Brock Lesnar.
ReplyDeleteNobody else cares.
The U.S. title has been gone since 2001.
ReplyDelete"No faces and heels" worked in 1997 when the feuds felt legit. The show felt like absolute chaos, and people had their favorites based on who they liked, not who Vince told them they liked. Now the product is so bland, if the commentators don't specifically tell us who we are supposed to like and hate, how do we remember?
ReplyDeleteBrocks got 2 WMs left on his contract. The thought process is probably along the lines of...let's get 1 money match out of Brock this year because we don't know what we can get out of him at 31. I'd bet they are fearful of a WM 20 moment with Brocks match next year so they are hesitant to put him in a headline match at 31.
ReplyDeleteUndertaker v. Cena or GET THE FUCK OUT.
ReplyDeleteTwo secondary belts is fine. Just take them seriously.
ReplyDeleteLesnar v. Punk
ReplyDeleteLesnar v. Bryan
Lesnar v. Cena
Lesnar v. Batista
Lesnar v. Ryback (if they rebuild him)
Lesnar v. Big Show (to tease the collapsable ring spot)
Lesnar v. Henry
Lesnar v. Big E
Lesnar v. The Wyatts
Lesnar v. The Sheild
Undertaker v. Cena is the only match I want to see either guy in.
Exactly. Tweeners don't really draw IMO
ReplyDeleteThreadjack: Andrew Bynum suspended indefinitely.
ReplyDeleteWho's andrew Bynum?
ReplyDeleteWhy can't the IC and US belts be the main belts with the World and tag champs floating between brands?
ReplyDeleteYou mean outside of Austin?
ReplyDeleteCenter for the Cleveland Cavs. This dude is very talented, but very stupid.
ReplyDeleteI meant more present day. But yea Austin was better
ReplyDeleteNo more heels and faces is Vince's way of covering up for what they have done with The Miz. It's alllllll about The Miz.
ReplyDeleteis he from what,baseball,football?
ReplyDeleteI'd be ok with that.
ReplyDeleteOnly reason is because I plan on being there.
I agree with everyone below, especially in Brock's losses to Cena and HHH.
ReplyDeleteBut you know what? I bet Brock doesn't even give a shit. They're paying him stupid amounts of money to perform, what? Three times in a year? He's laughing all the way to the bank.
No faces or heels. Except Cena who is awesome and the people who don't like him are H-EIGHT-RZ.
ReplyDeletenot nene or thiago splitter.
ReplyDeleteWhat'd he do this time?
ReplyDeleteI kno, I just still like to see it, sometimes can bring back good memories of what that title was and what secondary titles can be.
ReplyDeleteI could get behind that in theory but they've already shown that they can't keep track of that sort of system. I think it's best to go back to the old system of main title, secondary title, and tag titles. And if you must have a girl's title, then that too, I guess.
ReplyDeletePersonally it's hard for me to complain about the ****1/2+ matches w/ Cena and Punk, not to mention the return pop and no selling a pedigree and making Triple H tap at Summerslam. On the other hand the WM match and extreme rules cage match bored the hell out of me
ReplyDeleteBasketball.
ReplyDeleteBut, Taker payed his dues to ask for said match.
ReplyDeleteThis is going to get my smark card revoked but I don't care for great matches that exist in a vacuum. I'd take a great feud over a great match any day. Brock has been awesome in the ring but all of his feuds have been meh to me.
ReplyDeleteIf I were him I wouldn't care either. Now I hear he's trying to start a bidding war between the UFC and WWE.
ReplyDeleteA jerkoff with bad knees.
ReplyDeleteBy being the single most protected character in the history of wrestling
ReplyDeleteLast year during Axxess, Taker replaced Flair as a part of that Axxess VIP Autograph Session the E was hawking for, like, 500 bucks.
ReplyDelete411mania ran a story hyping that a guy who got Undie's autograph had the inside scoop on Taker's opponent at XXX. I can't find the link at the moment, but the guy claimed that after asking Taker if he was calling it quits after 29, Taker thumbed through the autograph packet to an 8 x 10 of Lesnar, tapped it with his finger and said "I think I got one more left."
All the DISQUS comments shit all over the dude's story, I guess, because Taker was booking a year in advance.. but fuck...
here we are, a year fucking later.
If Cena beat Taker the crowd would shit all over it, especially at WM.
ReplyDeleteYep. People need to realize that it's not Undertaker who is so "special" or "unbeatable"--it's the Streak. And the Streak is fake, like anything else. The only appeal of the Undertaker's Streak is the idea that just MAYBE someone might end it this year. That's been the build and the appeal for years now. It takes someone truly convincing to be Taker's opponent in one of these matches. Brock Lesnar is not that guy, partly because of how he has been booked and partly because everyone knows he's a part-timer and former "defector" who will NEVER be chosen to be the guy to end the fake Streak. John Cena is the only legitimate Streak opponent they have available this year. Sure, they can build someone like Reigns for WM31, but at this year's event, Cena is the only guy who doesn't seem like a check in the box win for Taker
ReplyDeleteIt's official! Vince has gone off the fucking deep end! Trips has to take over as soon as possible, that's how far he's fallen.
ReplyDeleteExactly. It's not just that Taker-Cena is their true money match, it's that the individual alternatives (Cena/Wyatt and Taker/Lesnar) are SUCH a step down. I'm not sold on Cena-Wyatt actually being a thing, but any other Cena match just packs nowhere near the punch of him challenging the Streak
ReplyDeleteI still think that Punk should have been the guy this year, though I can understand why they didn't do it, seeing as how Punk will probably retire within the next couple years.
ReplyDeleteThat's the thing. It's not that the match would be "bad". They would get enough of the token false-finishes and trading finishers in order to build a hot match out of it. It's just that we've seen it several times before and probably BETTER (like the HIAC match you guys mentioned). It's the YouTube Era--you can look the match up and see Brock-Taker headline three different PPVs. Not so with Taker-Cena.
ReplyDeleteAs a re-match of last year's Punk-Taker? Or you mean this year for the first time?
ReplyDeleteI mean Punk should have gone over at WM29.
ReplyDeleteOh, gotcha. "This year" is still 2013. My bad
ReplyDeleteI can see him staying until 31, because XXX has a built in '30th anniversary' (it's not, but this is the WWE so fuck logic) hype. 31 has nothing built in.
ReplyDeleteCan't we just start with Brock tapping out to the Hell's gate finish, so we can just skip the awful build and match?
ReplyDeleteUT: You know, if Lesnar hadn't been so "misused" since returning... that match could have SOLD WM XXX by itself. Now? No thanks.
ReplyDeleteMcMahon: Sports Entertainment, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, and fuck you Dixie.
Cornette: That series just hasn't interested me, at all.
RF: Cool.
So Orton isn't a heel he's just a regular douche-bag who takes short cuts to get ahead and Cena is an everyday good guy who wants to find justice and do things 'the right way'... I guess life imitates art. It would a lot easier to just call them 'face' and 'heel'. Vince is a funny man.
ReplyDeleteNah, that's Austin up until he, ludicrously, lost twice to Jericho. I don't understand how they convinced him that was a good idea.
ReplyDeleteBray Wyatt vs Cena!
ReplyDelete3mb vs Cena!
ReplyDeleteThis "Report" comes from the same guy who "reported" John Cena vs Bray Wiyatt. In other words, NOTHING TO SEE HERE. Again, until it's officially mentioned on WWE TV or wwe.com, NOTHING IS OFFICIAL.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't hate Taker/Brock as much as some others here, but I'm still 100% on the Cena/Taker train for sure.
Neither of the losses to Jericho hurt Austin (or helped Jericho for that matter except on paper). They were both dirty as hell.
ReplyDeleteTitles don't matter because people don't care about titles. Wins and losses don't matter because people don't care about wins and losses. Heels and faces don't matter because no one in life is completely good or bad. Apparently the only thing that matters is who gets to feud with John Cena. The "stories" they tell are stories that have no consequences, no stakes, no meaning and no continuity.
ReplyDeleteThis could just be Vince throwing his hands up and realizing that Cena will always get boos/Punk and Bryan will always get cheered/HHH will usually be treated with indifference, but "No more faces and heels" doesn't really vibe with a PG product. If you're marketing to kids, you need clear good guys and clear bad guys.
ReplyDeleteUndertaker clearly wants this match with Lesnar so why not just book it? I agree that it would make much more sense to have UT/Cena and put Lesnar against someone like Sheamus or Bryan, but you can always 'save' UT/Cena for yet another year. With WM32 in Dallas, I wouldn't be surprised if that one has been earmarked as Taker's last Mania, so WWE will get two more chances to give Cena a crack at the Streak.
"At a recent meeting, Vince said that there are no more faces or heels, with the belief that no one in real life is either completely good or completely bad."
ReplyDeleteJohn Cena must be relieved, because he believes "that you have to a be a bad person in real life to play a bad guy on television."
I could have sworn it was reported at some point that Taker has been hand picking his opponents for the past couple of years.
ReplyDeleteEh, why not? He knows both places want him badly. Milk them both dry for all I care. Good on him.
ReplyDeleteSo we're going to see Lesnar/Taker at Mania because Lesnar still owes taker a couple of jobs from over 10 years ago.... and also Vince is saying no faces or heels because he still doesn't want to admit to the blunder of turning Miz heel only to forget he had a movie to promote. Does that sound about right?
ReplyDeleteWWE doesn't do bloodbaths any more, so the point is moot anyway.
ReplyDeleteWith gang rape.
ReplyDeletePlus, using the "people aren't like that in real life!" argument is a funny thing for pro wrestling, of all things, to be doing.
ReplyDeleteIts easier to just say that than to book a strong face that gets over with the whole crowd...so sure Vince, everyone is just in the middle
ReplyDeleteT jack: how great is wifi on planes. I'm watching snme April 15 1991 on YouTube and reading the BoD. If you ever get a chance watch the warrior vs savage match on it to see a perfectly booked sports entertainment finish. The match is **ish but from Paul bearer wheeling out the casket to all the crazy shit after its pure WWF awesomeness
ReplyDeleteAlso tugboat and hogan starting some kind of feud I don't remember in the battle royal is pretty hysterical
ReplyDeleteI'd way prefer to see undertaker vs lesnar so I'm actually glad I'm getting a bone tossed to me.
ReplyDeleteAlso it looks like cena vs Orton vs Bryan is the rumble main event right?
I call bullshit on this story
ReplyDeleteI think Shawn throwing the temper tantrum in mid-match because Vader was out of position for an elbow drop was probably more dickish, but that's just me.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, wasn't there a story that Hogan was supposed to return the job in a future PPV match and all of a sudden, on the day of the first match, he suddenly had a knee injury that required surgery and he wouldn't be able to have that second match after all? Sure, what Shawn did was pretty unprofessional...but meh,..it's Hogan. I'm willing to let it slide.
Agree. Even my favorite matches have almost zero replay value to me because out of the storyline of the moment it is just hard for me to get invested.
ReplyDeleteWhen did Vince McMahon become a relativist?
ReplyDeleteHas a contract they can waive on 1/7/14 to save 6 million so the cavs leaked a story saying he was a negative influence and suspended him. Hey they aren't tanking and saving money, they're doing the right thing and getting a bad guy off the team because they love the fans!
ReplyDeleteVince is right. We don't need another hero... we don't need to know the way home... all we want is life beyond... thunder dome.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Brock never cared. He wanted to be the champ, but only because the champ makes the most money.
ReplyDeleteAlthough if they want to start a bidding war, good for Brock? Though WWE has to be the easiest money he's ever made at this point. Does he even do house shows?
Or we are all being fed a bullshit fake story by one of the sleaziest owners in sports (quicken loans...smh) because he doesn't want to pay 12 million for a luxury risk guy on a team that isn't going anywhere.
ReplyDeleteWhen they finally convinced him he could never air an incest angle?
ReplyDeleteTaker-Lesnar holds limited appeal at any time. How would they book it? Lesnar destroying him in the run up? He's already been destroyed by the Shield so until that is sorted, vulnerability remains anyway.
ReplyDeleteHey its not that they have no idea how to book a face turn, or even a face in general, its that the wwe product is so sophisticated they are way past black and white cookie cutter stuff like a protagonist and an antagonist!!!
ReplyDeleteI also think that the undertaker himself is a legit draw too. I think if they booked him for another ppv and didn't completely fuck up the build that buy rate would spike
ReplyDeleteI get the appeal of cena taker but cmon dude.. lesnar vs henry, ryback, Wyatt, big e, or big show... you'd really rather see lesnar work with any of that dead weight over the undertaker???
ReplyDeleteI rather see them bring Hogan back for SummerSlam and have someone beat his SummerSlam streak of 6-0
ReplyDeleteOr broadcast Hogan vs. Undertaker at both Wrestlemania 30 and SummerSlam 14. Wrestlemania vs SummerSlam streak.
ReplyDeleteBTW I 100% think that cena vs punk is the biggest match they could run. Obviously its not gonna happen this time but could you imagine if hogan vs savage hbk vs Bret or austin vs rock never happened on a wrestlemania?
ReplyDeleteA Cena/Punk/Bryan 3-man match would be pretty sweet.
ReplyDeleteKnowing Hogan, he probably knew Shawn was going to do that all along. Hogan sold it too well for them not too. I bet when Hogan gets political, he goes - you know what brother, just put me over, shake my hand, and then no sell it the next night. I'm not coming back until they let me squash standby Orton anyways.
ReplyDeleteI would much rather see the physical NWA/WCW belt than that piece of shit they use now.
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