As promised, a look into nostalgia
heaven for me: the late 80s and early 90s are my favorite wrestling
time, and so...
The PG Era Rant for WWF on MSG Network,
June 3, 1991.
From New York City.
Your hosts are Gorilla Monsoon, Bobby
Heenan, and Jim Neidhart. As commentary goes, Anvil doesn't really
add much, but he doesn't detract either. He's a clear third wheel,
there to stir the pot.
Opening match: Smash v. The Dragon.
Smash is on his own here. Dragon is a newcomer to the WWF who does
the fire-breathing trick from circus sideshows and is absolutely not
Ricky Steamboat no matter how much they look, talk, and wrestle
alike. Smash with a knee to the gut to start and he slugs away,
working the arm. Dragon reverses the arm and wrenches away, dropping
an elbow on the arm repeatedly. Dragon gets the best of a tackle,
but gets dumped, only to skin the cat back in. Not as well as
Steamboat would, but he makes up for it by dumping Smash. Back in,
Dragon hits an armdrag and works the arm some more. Gorilla wants to
see Dragon take on a Heenan Family member, which causes the Brain to
scoff. Dragon keeps working the arm and adds head chops, then slams
Smash off of a whip and goes to the armdrag again. Heenan praises
his armdrags, though they're not as good as Steamboat's. Anvil:
“Weasels don't like fire, Gorilla.” Smash escapes the arm work
with an inverted atomic drop and a Hotshot. Smash pounds away some
more, getting a chokeslam and holding the choke. Back suplex follows
for two. Neck cranking follows, but Dragon gets to his feet. Smash
dumps Dragon to the outside, adding a big right and sending the
Dragon into the post. A slam on the floor as Gorilla complements the
cameraman. Smash slinghots Dragon back in. Backbreaker gets one.
Gorilla: “That wasn't exactly a Hitman type backbreaker.”
Heenan: “How much does he pay you to sing his praises?” Gorilla:
“He'll be here when you're gone, Brain.” Anvil finds this
hilarious. Dragon fights out of the crank with some weak chops
(Steamboat's are much better), but Smash with a series of
clotheslines to stop momentum. Sleeper by Smash. Gorilla notes the
lower arm is wrong. They test his arm once, twice, three times...
four times? See, Steamboat would never make a mistake like that.
The announcers are surprised there was no bell. Dragon remembers to
put the arm up on the fourth try, though. Dragon chops out in the
gut area, then the head, but Smash whips him only to put his head
down. Dragon with the comeback, dropkicking Smash to the outside.
Dragon dives onto him from the second rope. Eh, Steamboat would've
gone from the top. Smash catches Dragon and suplexes him back in for
two. Smash sends Dragon into the buckle, but a blind charge misses.
Dragon with the bodypress to finish at 10:15. *3/4
Okay, fine, it is Ricky Steamboat, but you'd never get Vince to
admit it.
Warlord
v. Koko B Ware. Anvil says “a definite size advantage for the
Birdman.” This is why he didn't last long on commentary, I guess.
Heenan wants nothing to do with Frankie. Koko taunts Heenan to
start. Gorilla doesn't see Slick and wonders if Warlord ate him.
Warlord throws Koko out of a lockup and poses. Gorilla and Anvil
claim Heenan skims some money out of Barbarian's paycheck, saying he
lies and cheats. Gorilla: “You forgot steal.” Koko with
headbutts and he sticks and moves, with Warlord unable to keep up and
losing his cool. Koko slides out of the ring before slowly
returning. Warlord goes CLUBBERIN, THEY BE CLUBBERIN TONY to take
control. Koko to the eyes to get in control, though. Warlord visits
the turnbuckle, but Koko gets the worst of it. Gorilla and Heenan
agree on something, which scares them both. Warlord tries again, but
Koko blocks and fires back. Warlord no-sells a clothesline before
running Koko down with a big boot. Choking on the ropes follows,
then a shot to the kidneys. Bearhug follows, with Koko “picked up
like a bucket of chicken”. Heenan really said that. Heenan claims
that Slick is in a skybox with Diana Ross. Monsoon claims that was
just Slick in drag. Every time Koko tries to headbutt out, Warlord
adds a crunch. Koko avoids the KO and tries to squirm out, but to no
avail. He's not allowed to choke Warlord to escape, but he rings the
ears to get out only to get clotheslined hard. Warlord with more
clubbing blows, but Koko cuts one off and works the head. Warlord
catches Koko and dumps him, however. He drags Koko to the apron and
smashes away. Koko gets a shoulder to Warlord's gut and tries a
sunset flip only to get punched. Big slam follows, but an elbowdrop
misses. Koko with a small package for two. Blind charge by Warlord
misses, and Koko with a missile dropkick for two. Warlord with a
Stun Gun to win at 10:34. *1/4
Jim
Duggan v. Colonel Mustafa. Mustafa is, of coure, Sheiky Baby
repackaged as an Iraqi soldier, and given the history of Iraq and
Iran he could not have enjoyed that. Duggan sends General Adnan to
the floor through intimidation. Mustafa stalls to start as Duggan
tries to keep the crowd into it. Mustafa clubs him in the ropes, but
gets run over with clotheslines and bails. Heenan wonders why people
go to the fans when you're the one wrestling. Gorilla: “Nobody
ever cheered for you.” Duggan wins a slugfest, complete with
Popeye punch to send Mustafa bailing again. More stalling. Mustafa
with a cheap shot off of a corner lockup, and he keeps pounding and
choking. More shots at Duggan while he's draped on the apron, and
Adnan adds a shot of his own off-camera. Mustafa with another right
and into a chinlock. Duggan elbows out, but runs into an Iranian
Hammer. Mustafa loads up the boot, but Duggan reverses a suplex try.
Mustafa back in with throat shots, but Duggan gets a slam to
counter. Football lariat time, but Adnan trips Duggan and steals the
2x4 for good measure. Duggan chases him to the back, where Sgt.
Slaughter ambushes him for the countout at 5:46. Of note: Danny
Davis is seen on camera waiting about 10 seconds before trying to
stop the beating, but he's Danny Davis so of course he'll give the
heels some leeway. Iron Sheik was more or less done at this point.
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Barbarian
v. Bret Hart. Since Heenan is stuck at commentary, Mr. Fuji manages
Barbarian for this match. We have a Heenan Family member against a
Hart Foundation member, so don't expect unbiased commentary or
anything. Hitman has his Skull and Wings jacket. Gorilla asks what
the insignia means, but Anvil says it's personal. Barbarian throws
Bret into the corner on a lockup. Barbarian with a headlock, but
Bret shoots him off and gets run over. Bret falls right next to
commentary as Heenan shows he's staying out of it. Back in, Bret
gets another lockup. Gorilla tells Anvil to keep an eye on Heenan.
Barbarian nails Bret hard with some shoulder tackles. Bret ducks a
back chop only to get slammed on the rebound. Elbowdrop misses and
Bret fires away, causing Barbarian to bail. Back in, Bret works the
arm, driving knees into the elbow. Barbarian backs Bret into the
ropes, but puts his head down and Bret goes back to the arm. Big
boot to the shoulder by Barbarian. Seated senton drop on Bret's back
follows. Barbarian kicks away, nudging Bret to the floor. Barbarian
follows him and catches him, knocking him off the apron and ramming
his back into the post twice. Heenan: “I don't see too much
Excellence of Execution here.” Bret slowly rolls in, so Barbarian
steps on Bret's throat. Hammer Throw by Barbarian follows. Standing
punches to a prone Hitman follow, but a big boot misses and Bret...
runs into a bearhug. Bret escapes quickly. Barbarian with a chop,
then another Hammer Throw into another bearhug. Bret avoids the KO,
putting him one step up on Dragon, and bites Barbarian to escape.
Heenan: “I'd expect that out of you [Anvil], but not the Hitman.”
Barbarian recovers first with a sidewalk slam. Second-rope
elbowdrop misses. Heenan criticizes Fuji for not telling Barbarian
to go faster. Bret pops up out of nowhere to fire away on Barbarian,
getting an inverted atomic drop and clothesline for two. Ten punch
countalong follows in the corner, then a backbreaker. Second-rope
elbow by Bret connects, getting two. Heenan desperately wants to get
to the ring. Bret with a Russian legsweep for two, with the kickout
sending Bret out of the ring. Bret's favoring his leg as Barbarian
drags him to the apron, suplexing him back in. Bret reverses and
tries a rolling cradle, but Barbarian shrugs him off and Fuji trips
Bret. Fuji goes onto the apron, but a cane shot nails Barbarian and
Bret gets the pin at 12:08. Heenan chews out Fuji in the ring as the
two managers nearly come to blows. Barbarian takes Heenan's side on
this one. Anvil loves seeing the fight. This one picked up once
Bret got on offense and was pretty slow otherwise. **1/4
Jim
Quinn of the World Bobybuilding Federation is at ringside. Anvil:
“Look at the veins in that guy's arms!” All the better to find
where to put the needle.
Bob
Bradley v. Jimmy Snuka. Bradley was a WCCW alum who is just a
jobber. Heenan unloads a racist tirade on Fuji. Bradley pushes
Snuka into the ropes and shoves him, which annoys Snuka. Snuka gets
shoved out of a second lockup. Bradley with a headlock, but Snuka
gets a criss-cross and leapfrog before Bradley bails instead of
getting the Island Chop. Snuka slingshots Bradley back in, then gets
a hiptoss after a long whip sequence, followed by the Island Chop.
Bradley gets a knee in Snuka's stomach (Anvil: “That looked low.”)
before sending him into the turnbuckle... which only fires Snuka up.
Bradley maintains a headlock, tackling Snuka. Snuka with his reverse
leapfrog and another Island Chop, followed by a backbreaker.
Superfly Splash ends it at 4:04. Just a squash. 1/2*
Earthquake
v. Jake Roberts. No sign of Jimmy Hart in town. This, of course, is
after Quake killed Damian on an episode of Superstars. Jake hides
Lucifer – his replacement snake – under the ring and away from
Quake. Neither man waits for the bell, with Roberts getting a
kneelift and backing Quake into the ropes. The ref separates the
two, with Roberts telling the ref to make sure the snake stays safe.
Roberts dodges Quake and keeps him in the corner. A second dodge and
Roberts with some shots to the gut. He keeps sticking, moving, and
punching away. Quake tells the ref the fists are closed, and Roberts
tells the ref he'll personally demonstrate. Quake backs Roberts into
the corner and slams his shoulder into Roberts' ribs. Hammer Throw
and Quake with a goozle, but Roberts breaks and gets kneelifts to
double Quake over. DDT, but Quake hangs on to the top rope to stop
it. Quake stomps Roberts out of the ring, and Quake finds the bag.
The referee tells him to back off, which allows Roberts to get
another kneelift. Quake smashes Roberts into the corner, but a
running tackle misses and hits the post. Jake with a kneelift as
Quake returns, then a short clothesline. Another DDT try, but Quake
bulrushes Roberts into the corner. Gorilla says Jake needs to move
to the center of the ring. Quake steps on Roberts to keep control.
Gorilla threatens to leave and have Anvil and Heenan alone, which
freaks Heenan out. Quake measures Roberts and does another shoulder
ram. Hammer Throw and Jake falls to the outside. Quake goes up top
as the crowd freaks out, but Roberts bails out of range before Quake
can jump. Roberts rolls back in, only for another Hammer Throw to
follow. Quake plays to the crowd, which allows Roberts a right hand,
but Quake clubs him to knock him over. Roberts refuses to let the
ref stop the match, but Quake pulls him up and rams him in the gut
again. Another Hammer Throw follows. Roberts falls with his foot on
the rope, which means... something. Quake begs Roberts to come to
him, and Roberts slithers over and takes hold of his leg. A confused
Quake asks Roberts to keep crawling up, but when he does, Roberts
with a shot. Quake keeps control, but misses a clothesline and
Roberts clobbers him in the back of the head, felling Quake. Jake
tries another DDT, but Quake's in the ropes again. Quake with a
single-leg trip and he drops the elbow on Jake's leg... but Jake gets
the knee into the rib and both men are hurting. Quake is up first
and keeps control with more shoulders to the ribs, and Jake can't
even finish an Irish Whip with his bad leg. Quake signals for the
Earthquake Splash, but Roberts bails. Roberts' leg is hurt, so the
ref checks in on him. Quake takes the opportunity to drag the bag
into the ring and threaten to crush it. Roberts trips Quake this
time, and that's enough to get Jake to pull Lucifer out. The ref
throws the match out at 10:59 as Quake bails. I know this match
sounds bad, but this needs to be seen in my opinion. It was basic,
but it was how they used their basic moves to build to the finish.
**
Sean
Mooney interviews Mr. Fuji about the events of earlier, and he
challenges Heenan to a tag match. Likely he means Orient Express
against Faces of Fear, but he doesn't name any names.
Mooney
now interviews Big Boss Man about his upcoming match with the
Mountie. Boss Man respects law, order, and justice, and that's why
he hates the Mountie, who allows Hart's posse to beat up Boss Man.
Boss Man's life flashes before his eyes whenever the Mountie zaps him
with the cattle prod, seeing all the men he's arrested and put on
Death Row. Mountie's on the Most Wanted List for his actions, and he
will serve hard time. Boss Man's so furious he drops his nightstick
while twirling.
Mooney
is now with Sgt. Slaughter and General Adnan, who talk about the
Desert Storm Match they'll be having with Hulk Hogan. He tells Hogan
to be ready for an ambush, like the one he put on Duggan. Hogan is,
by the way, the Immortal Slime in this promo. Mooney explains the
Desert Storm Match, which is basically an I Quit match.
Mooney
now is with Hulk Hogan, who is wearing a gas mask and military camo.
He says he saw what happened to Duggan, and now he has the green
light to break all the rules. He warns the little Hulkamaniacs that
Slaughter may have put napalm in their popcorn. He really said that.
He says it's all-out war between the two, and though he won the
battle at WrestleMania, he's got to win the war tonight. As long as
Slaughter is in the WWF, the war is still on. He has white sand from
Venice Beach, and he's loaded with it and just about any weapon you
can think of. He doesn't care about the title – it's all about
ending Slaughter.
We
look back at how Hacksaw Duggan was ambushed and left laying by
Slaughter. Duggan was dazed by the attack (Heenan: “How could they
tell the difference?”) but he was more shaken up than injured and
very angry.
Mountie
v. Big Boss Man. The Mountie is a corrupt policeman played by
Jacques Rougeau who managed to do the unthinkable: get Canada upset.
Heenan makes a point that both men carry weapons as their police
issue items. Mountie won't let Bossman in, but the ref yanks away
the cattle prod and Bossman's ready to go with uppercuts. Fifteen
visits to the top buckle follow (Mountie adds two or three more in
momentum) and Bossman slugs away. Jumping rope straddle follows,
then a second one. Bossman with an Oklahoma Slam (dedicated to
Anvil) for two. Mountie bails out, but Bossman follows with a
running punch. Back in, Bossman shoves Mountie around and slaps his
back as Mountie turtles up. Uppercuts by Bossman and Mountie timbers
down. Bossman up top, but Mountie moves and Bossman gives himself a
Hotshot. Mountie with a shot to the throat as both men are dazed,
and Mountie drops an elbow on the outside. Mountie smashes Bossman
against the barricade and punches him in the neck. Jumping back
elbow by Mountie gets two. Slugest follows, which Bossman wins.
Mountie caught with a back elbow and big splash. Bossman punches a
defenseless Mountie, who falls out of the ring and grabs his cattle
prod. Bossman shoves the ref aside, and Mountie jams the prod into
Bossman's stomach for the pin at 5:53. *3/4
Bit of a Raw match feel to this one, and with good reason: it was
setting up their SummerSlam match where the loser would spend the
night in New York jail. Mountie gets another zapping in, a long one
this time, as Bossman twitches and foams at the mouth.
Paul
Roma v. Animal. It's supposed to be a tag match, but Hawk is absent
or injured or something, so it's one on one. Roma wins the coin toss
to take the match. Anvil notes it's too tag team specialists in
singles competition and that they may not be comfortable. Everyone
shoves everyone to start, and Roma jumps Animal and pounds away.
Animal reverses the whip, but after another whip, Animal catches Roma
in an inverted atomic drop and lariat. Hercules distracts the ref,
so Animal drops a headbutt to Roma's groin. Ten punch countalong is
stopped at six as Roma dumps Animal. Hercules adds a shot or two on
the outside. Roma stomps Animal and throws him back-first into the
apron. Back in, Roma fires away and gets a mile-high dropkick. Roma
with three locomotion backbreakers on Animal, but he shows off
instead of covering. He goes up top, landing a single axhandle.
Animal fires away to regain momentum, then catches Roma in a back
suplex. Roma kicks Animal to stop him cold, adding a piledriver for
two. Animal hulks up off of that, and he begins the comeback. Roma
reverses a whip, but the blind charge eats boot and Animal with a
running punch. Animal gives Roma a merry-go-round whip... into the
referee. Animal with a dropkick and shoulder tackle for nothing
because the ref's out. Hercules breaks it up and a double-team
begins. Hercules holds Animal, but Roman's missile dropkick hits
Hercules and a powerslam ends it at 4:59. Another Raw style match.
*1/2
Main
event, Desert Storm match for the WWF Title: Hulk Hogan v. Sergeant
Slaughter. As a reminder, Desert Storm Rules mean there are no
rules, you can do whatever it takes, and there will be unconditional
surrender to decide the winner (as Fink puts it). Heenan questions
whether Hogan putting the belt on the line in a match like this was
smart. Hogan still has his military gas mask thing on. He throws
the belt in the ring, knowing Slaughter will try to hit him with it,
then throws the Venice Beach sand into Sarge's face as Slaughter
tries to use the belt. Beltshot follows by Hulk, then a shot with
Sarge's Army helmet. Hogan uses Sarge's riding crop liberally. He
headbutts Sarge with the mask. Hogan tosses Sarge out to the floor
and follows, sending Sarge into the steps. Hogan chokes Sarge with a
TV cable and punches away. Another stiff right, and Hogan throws
Sarge back in. Hogan throws Sarge over the buckle and into the post.
Sarge blades at this point, so Hogan takes a Desert Storm flag and
chokes Sarge with it. Sarge slumps over by the broadcast table, so
Hogan sends Sarge into Anvil's monitor. Hogan takes the house mic
and clocks Sarge with it. Hogan gives the Thumbs Down, then Hammer
Throws Sarge. Sarge is swinging blindly, so Hogan controls with his
running elbow. Hogan kicks away as Sarge is up to .4 Muta. Hogan
punches the cut in a ground and pound, then bites the cut. Even
Gorilla thinks Hogan is over-the-top violent. Hogan slingshots Sarge
into the post again, but Sarge finds the riding crop. Hogan is only
momentarily fazed, going back to a headlock and punches. Sarge kicks
Hogan off a backdrop attempt before punching away and raking the
eyes. Slaughter unlocks his utility belt and smashes Hogan with it.
He smashes Hogan a second time to send Hogan to the outside. Sarge
sends Hogan into the barricade, first his forehead, then his back.
Sarge with axhandles to Hogan's back as the crowd starts a
spontaneous USA chant. Back in, Sarge finds Hogan's belt and whips
Hogan with it. He chokes Hogan in the corner with the belt, putting
Hogan on his back in the corner. Both men are tired as Adnan throws
a chair in. Sarge gets it, winds up... and collapses from the blood
loss. Hogan uses the chair on Sarge's back, then picks Sarge up and
punches away. Sarge ducks a right hand and gets a Russian legsweep.
Sarge pounds away on Hogan, then slams the chair into Hogan's back.
Camel clutch try, but Sarge can't hook the right arm. Sarge is
smothering Hogan's face, so there's that. Hogan slips out the back
door and sends Sarge into the corner, where he nails his shoulder
into the post. Sarge recovers and pounds away on the back, but he's
exhausted. He goes up top, but he's too tired and falls off the top.
Sarge tries again, but by this time Hogan's up and slams him off.
Double clothesline follows for the double KO. Sarge is up faster,
but he's punch drunk and falls back down. Sarge unties his boot to
use that as a weapon, but Hogan throws a fireball at Sarge to stop
him. Hogan rips the camo shirt and gets an Axe Bomber. He gets
Sarge's boot and floors Sarge with it repeatedly. Now Hogan puts a
camel clutch on Sarge – a proper one, too, almost a Steiner
Recliner actually – and Adnan throws the towel in at 15:32. Hogan
throws sand in Adnan's face to stop him from a sneak attack, then
clears the ring of opponents before beginning the posing. Man, who
doesn't love a good street fight? **3/4
Hogan poses with a little kid who may be Nick for all I know.
FINAL
THOUGHTS:
This
was basically like watching what Raw would be in 1991. That's not
necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but there wasn't much angle
advancement and no feuds (Hogan/Slaughter, Quake/Roberts,
Bossman/Mountie, Animal/Roma) had what you'd call a feud ender. The
wrestling was very slow in places, which is too bad. Also,
commentary had a lot of kinks to work out, as Anvil really messed
with the chemistry of Heenan and Monsoon.
Still,
a blast from the past is fine, and it would be worth the $10 or
whatever I would have paid to go live. The street fight was a great
way to send the fans home happy, and although I would've liked to see
more effort out of Steamboat or Warlord, the last few matches helped
out quite a bit.
STATS:
MATCH
TIME: 80:10 over nine matches
BEST
MATCH: Hogan/Slaughter
WORST
MATCH: Duggan/Mustafa
NIGHT
MVP: Hulk Hogan
FINAL
SCORE: Meh, 4/10. No good matches, but the last few at least had
good heat to them.
Okay,
guys, thanks for reading and nitpicking! I'll see you on Monday for
Raw from my neck of the woods, DC!
I always thought the Barbarian showed brief glimpses of talent but sadly never developed into anything.
ReplyDeleteHe looked decent in the Survivor Series 90 match I reviewed, but honestly, he's best used in a tag team. He and Haku could've easily held the belts, either in the WWF or WCW.
ReplyDeleteWWF was definitely not a workrate friendly place in 1990-91, with a few obvious exceptions. Gimmicks were way more important than good matches. Heck, even Ricky Steamboat was having shit matches because he was paired with guys like Smash, Col. Mustafa, and the Warlord whenever he wasn't involved in squashes.
ReplyDeleteProper camel clutch and Steiner recliner seemed odd to me. Steiner did a garbage camel clutch.
ReplyDeleteIt was more that Hogan was leaning further back on it, almost sitting upright on Slaughter's back. He still had the arms hooked for a camel clutch.
ReplyDeleteBarbarian could work but they never put him in a position to.
ReplyDeleteThe way Steiner did it really showed off his arms though, which I assume was the point.
ReplyDeleteI remember that, and I was actually concerned for Jericho when it happened. My first instinct is to assume everything is a work, but to do a knockout bit on a clothesline of all things seemed like it could've been legit. I mean, an enzuguri or something, sure, but a clothesline?
ReplyDeleteLee Marshall blackballed the Barbarian's career
ReplyDeleteI think that was the last time Taker seemed to be in any genuine nature of losing at Mania.
ReplyDeleteThe theme of this show seems to be "Hammer Throw."
ReplyDeleteYeah, I loved Eddie and Batista trying to out-manipulate each other but wound up actually becoming friends anyway. That "friends gotta hug!" segment is one of my favorite promos ever, because Batista was so obviously onto Eddie's horseshit and Eddie had no idea what to make of it.
ReplyDeleteBatista/Reigns would be epic.
ReplyDeleteI think that becoming the youngest world champion in history, being kicked out of the top heel stable and then spitting in Triple H's face was a great way to get him over. You have to remember that for as mediocre as Orton is now, he was far worse as a 24-year-old and he's never been a good babyface. Nobody bought into him.
ReplyDeleteHe did lose the title back to Triple H, but the obvious direction they wanted to head to was Orton winning the Rumble and headlining WrestleMania. Once it was abundantly clear that Dave was the man, they turned him back heel and put him on Smackdown where he continued to suck the life out of everything.
I'm kind of hoping for that, or at least that he runs down to ringside to run interference on Orton's behalf. HHH has been booked as the lead heel in this angle. Bryan beating Batista or Orton might not be as big.
ReplyDeleteI was looking forward to a Shield trike threat this year, but I like what they've done rebuilding them so much more. They all look like top stars. Now I'm hoping they save it for a future WM main event.
ReplyDeleteHe had a bunch of matches vs Bret around this time that are good.
ReplyDeleteExactly. "Plenty of time!" was where it was impossible not to get onboard.
ReplyDeleteBarbarian/Bret sounds awesome.
ReplyDeleteI remember Bob Bradley. What always killed me back then was seeing how low Bradley had gone. He went from beating the Ultimate Warrior in WCCW to jobbing to everyone in the WWF.
ReplyDeleteI think I remember seeing a card very similar to this in Indy when I would have been around 12 or 13. I know I saw a Hogan/Slaughter match and a Bret/Barbarian match. But, oof, in hindsight some of those matches were bloody awful.
ReplyDeleteThis is amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m99Fn9PQ8kE
ReplyDeleteDecisively losing 3 straight ppv main events to him as well. I don't know how else to put someone over better
ReplyDeleteTrips put Batista over so convincingly that it's the *Asterisk* of even the most anti-HHH posters here.
ReplyDeleteI was a big Orton fan in 2004 (his IC reign was fantastic), but holy crap did that 2005 run sour me on him. The never-ending feud with Taker was boring as shit.
ReplyDeleteThe other thing I really liked about Batista at the time was that he was very soft-spoken. He didn't yell and scream that he was gonna rip your head off, he just stated very calmly that he would do so.
ReplyDeleteI think the best example of this was when he was told that he'd be facing both members of "La Resistance" in a handicap match; he just said "okay" and left it at that. Perfect.
That's EXACTLY what they did with Brock at the beginning - they kept going on and on about what an incredible athlete he was, but he was a VERY basic brawler (like, Ezekiel Jackson basic) for the first several months that he was on TV.
ReplyDeletePeople forget the huge backlash he got for winning the "King of the Ring" tournament and getting to go on to main-event "Summerslam" that year.
Right around that time, Benoit and Jericho were treating his clotheslines like atomic bombs. I'll always remember that, they really helped Batista's offense look amazing.
ReplyDeleteI'm betting it wasn't nick.
ReplyDeleteHe needed to spend a few more months at the IC level before going onto win the World Title. HHH should have just got the belt back from Benoit himself, then they could have done the slow burn with Orton instead of Batista.
ReplyDeleteI thought the first "title v. streak" match at WrestleMania 23 was going to have that kind of aura (Batista was also working his own 2-0 undefeated streak...) but once it came out how terribly disappointed the office was in Batista as champ it became apparent he wasn't going to keep the belt.
ReplyDeleteIt's a good thing Batista's back so HHH can get all those wins back!
ReplyDeleteI could get behind Orton turning face and feuding with the authority, especially if they sanction Batista as their new "face of the company." Cause then it would keep Orton and Batista away from the belts for a while.
ReplyDeleteAll of these reasons we used to like Batista are making it a little harder for me to hate him now.... although he's actiling like 1000% opposite of the way he was back then, isn't he. Instead of being like, "Whatever, boo me" he shouting at the fans, "IF YOU WANNA BO ME, BO ME!!!!" And as I pointed out earlier, he's being shoved down our throats instead of being chosen like he was 9 years ago.
ReplyDeleteAnd maybe also he's from nine years ago.
This is why they need to upload the JCP shows. The Barbarian was a much better wrestler when he was managed by Paul Jones.
ReplyDeleteThis. There was nothing wrong with Orton winning the belt, bringing the title back to Evolution and HHH being such a jealous dick that he kicked Orton's ass for having HIS belt.
ReplyDeleteThe concept was sound. Orton just sucked shit at that point and always has as a babyface.
I'm supposed to cheer a guy because he got kicked out of his heel group? That doesn't sound very hero-like.
ReplyDeleteThis is something Keller always rants about...face turns should always be initiated by the face turning on the heels, not vice versa. Thinks that's sound logic
ReplyDeleteThe only one I can think of that kinda worked was Diesel saving Shawn from a Sid beat down. But by that point, Shawn was getting cheered anyway.
ReplyDeleteI was at this show live. And despite Andy's (probably spot-on) 4/10 rating, the Garden was electric all night, especially when Hogan won the main event. I really need to watch this show again on the Network, as I had a lot of fun at this show, and left with a HULK RULES bandana.
ReplyDeleteThe only time this kinda worked was Sting and Horsemen, but that was more the Horsemen turning bad and telling Sting to give up the shot, and Sting standing up for himself... so yeah it's not at all the same.
ReplyDeleteOrton came off as a real pussy. Maybe if he had at least kept the belt in the first match with HHH?
Yea, that probably would have helped. I'm with you, the combination of him just getting chumped by evolution and then losing the belt set him back in his babyface turn. He was so unsympathetic also, it was just an awful series that made him look bad
ReplyDeleteThey did everything right with Batista to get him over as a face. I was so juiced when he won the Rumble and going into mania, I was a huge fan of him. I felt like his main event at Mania 21 exposed him as an average at best worker, though and I don't think he ever recaptured the magic of his early 05 push.
ReplyDeleteSee, all I remember about his first few months was killing people with powerbombs. Lesnar was over with me the first time he showed up.
ReplyDeleteI remember watching this live as a kid and not liking how the crew messed up the ring rope colors--it was blue White and then red at the bottom for some reason.
ReplyDeleteI think it was one of Steamboat's biggest complaints too -- why am I curtain jerking it with Smash when Flair is right here? It's kind of insane that their paths didn't cross even at a house show in that era.
ReplyDeleteHogan's interviews around this time are hilarious re: Slaughter and the war references.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite one is the one where he accuses Slaughter of trying 'drown the Hulkamaniacs in millions of gallons of oil" and "taking cheap shots at them with scud missles, while they're doing their homework or something".
MSG shows never failed
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