I think Bayless did Val Venis and it didn't sound like any fun. It seemed like he tied every question into politics and not the fun to hear about wrestling politics either.
I wouldn't have a problem with them doing the Timeline concept with different people yet keeping the same year. For example, having Bret do a 1995 shoot would be interesting to me since it would be a non-Kliq perspective.
Maybe if Ivory were naked. Man would she still get it. The problem of course is that so many of the real big names are either still tied to the company or would cost insane money.
For sure. Jim Cornette's was real fun for that year, but it was more about ranting about his frustrations with creative than some of the exact booking of the time. For these, I want more discussions of the booking of angles or crazy stories of the period.
She's an interesting case. I found her so unattractive during her run, then saw her in lingerie for that Divas dvd(with Torrie on the cover) and she looked amazing
Yeah, same. I just gave it to a friend since after you see one of these shoots, you really don't need to see them again. The only shoot interview I've ever kept is an autographed copy of the Ultimate Warrior shoot he did for Ringside Collectibles.
KC announced two other timelines that have wrapped filming
1981 WWE as told by Rick Martel 1998 ECW as told by New Jack
RF Video has filmed shoots with Teddy Long, Curt Hawkins, and Brodus Clay. They have also announced shoots to be filmed with Eric Bischoff and Ricky Steamboat
Any one of those would be fine... but Jerry Lynn is the only one that could do something like that now. Unless they got rid of Dreamer's office job.... I don't remember.
Such a question might require making a video with water streaming all over your face. "Bret, I have so many tears in my eyes just for getting to ask you a question!"
$10 says you don't get past late January w/o hearing how great he was at something. Love ya Bret, but you've had every bit as much smoke blown up your ass as Hogan has.
Jim Cornette should do 1996. I can't think of anyone else they could get for it that was anything. Unless they wanted to toss a shit ton of money at Steve Austin or HBK.
1990 and 1991 WWF are hard because you can't do Warrior, Savage, Perfect due to their deaths. Heenan is hard to understand now (unfortunately). Hogan would be hilarious, but he isn't doing it.
Marc Mero would be a decent '96 pick, but obviously his stuff may be a little foggy before his debut. Not sure how involved or around he was in WWE at the time.
Now re-dos... definitely because like said before 99-01 is just atrocious and early in the timeline series that definitely need a redo.
But also because I think that there should be TOP talent and a creative side as well for each year so you can get a good look from both sides of the coin.
Mero wouldn't be bad, as he was in the upper midcard and facing Steve Austin and Faarooq and such. However, since he came in after WrestleMania, he wouldn't really know much about anything prior to that. Of the people they could get, Sunny may be the best one for the whole year.
Even Ahmed Johnson is a problem because he got injured in the summer of '96, so he wouldn't have much to say about the fall.
The problem with Jack isn't his acumen, its that he really wasnt a fixture in 98 ECW on top.
By that time, The Gangstaz had passed and moved onto the Dudleys, Now Bubba Ray for 98? That would be better cuz of how intertwined he was with promotion as well as being half of the top tag team of the company.
Missed Opportunities. TNA had 12 years to hook fans, but found new ways to muck things up at every possible turn. Instead of going in the direction of being an alternative product to WWE, they slowly regressed into being a painfully mediocre, watered-down version of WWE, or if you want to get really nasty, later year versions of WCW. Poor management and nearly non-existent advertisement campaigns have almost made their decade plus history completely irrelevant.
The 2003 Super X Cup weekly PPV show was just classic. Juvi was in the zone, and I thought for sure Teddy Hart was going to star in the promotion after this. One of my all time favorite wrestling shows, a perfect tournament. Plus I think the show ended with a War Games style cage match.
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Yeah ... It was just so random ... you were conditioned to think of a certain guy as champ and I honestly would never in a million years in 1992 pick Bret Hart to be WWF champ.
The Scott D'Amore and Dutch Mantell booked Knockout Division. When they booked the division they had compelling storylines, good matches, and interesting characters. The Gail Kim-Awesome Kong feud, the Beautiful People bullying Roxie LaRue, ODB being outrageous. Even when the rest of the roster was involved in badly booked nonsense you could always count on the Knockouts to be entertaining. Of course once Vince Russo started booking the division and it got integrated into the rest of the TNA booking it became really bad, really quickly.
The tears thing only happened once or twice, but in the WWF years of the book, every chapter Bret talks about people coming up to him after a match and telling him how great it was (or it was the best match of the night/its type).
I found it off putting at first. But these days, I find his boasts somewhat cute and endearing in a crazy grandpa kind of way.
From what I've been able to gather from that time period + what I remember seeing, I think it was Simmons responsibility because he was way too stiff with some of the kicks he gave to Ahmed. Simmons has a reputation as a stiff worker, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Just think, wrestling history may have been forever changed because of a few stiff kicks (and that doesn't even tough Goldberg smashing Bret in the head).
2 things: 1) Jeff Jarrett's insistence on always being the centerpiece for the first 8 years of the company.....and still not being over 2) TNA Had as close of a chance at re-creating the Goldberg-like phenomenon that they needed: Monty Brown....and they dropped the ball by turning him into a heel gopher for guess who? Which in a sense goes back to #1: Jeff Jarrett has to be the centerpiece of everything. Monty Brown - if used correctly - could have been big enough to singlehandedly save the company.....and they screwed it up, and he left to become a little-used bit player in WWE and left the business entirely. It's a shame really. The guy was a monster and should have been allowed to be just that, not to mention he had the "look" and possibly could have went more mainstream. TNA has screwed up other ways (releasing Jay Lethal, not pushing the X-Division, incredibly botching the whole Pacman Jones thing, Vince Russo....period) but that is #1.
The thing was that the Faarooq incident occurred during the live portion of Raw. They still had another week or two to tape, including Ahmed's battle royal victory to guarantee him a title shot (I always wondered what that was setting up). Simmons was to blame, I believe, but: 1. Ahmed has proven that he has a brittle body. 2. He wrestled afterwards (I think) while not knowing something was wrong.
I'd buy a Cornette shoot about the SMW in general. Just in terms of how he ran it, what he wished he could change, how it declined, etc. I wouldn't do a timeline of a specific year of the promotion, though.
I really enjoyed that Number 1 contender's battle royal they ran on RAW. The finish between Ahmed-Goldust is red hot. I also wonder what they were going for with Ahmed winning. I have to think the plans were still for Vader to beat HBK and run Vader-Ahmed?!? No way they were thinking of running Ahmed-HBK, but 11 year old me was excited as hell about the possibility of that match. HBK-Ahmed was sort of like the big dream match for the WWF in 1996.
The one negative I will think of is how Samoa Joe never got to the level he could have. I'm still foggy on the details, but I just remember he was going to be the top monster badass heel, and then he was just some guy.
For a positive, I will think of how they did actually provide an alternative to WWE by having guys that WWE didn't. AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, the Motorcity Machineguns, Kaz, Petey Williams, America's Most Wanted, Bobby Roode, etc. These are guys who could put on great matches on television, and at times, TNA seemed like ROH at a higher level with a TV deal.
Especially coming off that loss to Davey Boy... I was sure he went down the ranks. Now of course, I know that dropping the IC title was the stepping stone to the main event.
Absolutely. The only problem with some (AWA) is the age of the people who would be good candidates. Verne and Nick aren't well, so it would have to be Greg.
Ohhhh I gotta get on that asap
ReplyDeleteI think Bayless did Val Venis and it didn't sound like any fun. It seemed like he tied every question into politics and not the fun to hear about wrestling politics either.
ReplyDeleteThey should do Bret timelines for 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, and 1997 too. Then have him do some WCW ones as well until 1999. I'd buy them all.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it was really bad.
ReplyDeleteHere is the review for that
http://www.rspwfaq.net/2013/12/kayfabe-commentaries-timeline-series_26.html
I wouldn't have a problem with them doing the Timeline concept with different people yet keeping the same year. For example, having Bret do a 1995 shoot would be interesting to me since it would be a non-Kliq perspective.
ReplyDeleteI hope you review this one Bayless. It sounds interesting and you always do a great job. Thanks Brian!
ReplyDeleteMaybe if Ivory were naked. Man would she still get it. The problem of course is that so many of the real big names are either still tied to the company or would cost insane money.
ReplyDeleteThey have to do 1997 with Bret. That would print money.
ReplyDeleteI can't tell you how shocked I was as a sort-of-mark in 1992 that Bret Hart one the title ... in a good way.
ReplyDeleteFor sure. Jim Cornette's was real fun for that year, but it was more about ranting about his frustrations with creative than some of the exact booking of the time. For these, I want more discussions of the booking of angles or crazy stories of the period.
ReplyDeleteYeaaa it was rough to say the least. "So the I Quit match...Foley and Rock..." " Well you know who needs to fucking quit is the republicans...."
ReplyDeleteShe's an interesting case. I found her so unattractive during her run, then saw her in lingerie for that Divas dvd(with Torrie on the cover) and she looked amazing
ReplyDeleteFor what it's worth that's probably my favorite timeline overall
ReplyDeleteThank You
ReplyDeleteAnd next week, I am reviewing the Bret Hart Timeline
Yeah, same. I just gave it to a friend since after you see one of these shoots, you really don't need to see them again. The only shoot interview I've ever kept is an autographed copy of the Ultimate Warrior shoot he did for Ringside Collectibles.
ReplyDeleteThat was a great Saturday to watch Superstars and find that out.
ReplyDeleteThat or "I don't really remember," "I wasn't involved, so I'm not sure" or "eh, you know, it was whatever it was."
ReplyDeleteIn other shoot interview news
ReplyDeleteKC announced two other timelines that have wrapped filming
1981 WWE as told by Rick Martel
1998 ECW as told by New Jack
RF Video has filmed shoots with Teddy Long, Curt Hawkins, and Brodus Clay. They have also announced shoots to be filmed with Eric Bischoff and Ricky Steamboat
I know nothing about 1981 WWE, but Rick Martel is a good interview. He's very well spoken and tells some good stories. That might be a good shoot.
ReplyDeleteThe Martel one sounds interesting... the New Jack one... well... not so much.
ReplyDeleteWho should do 1998 ECW? My picks would be RVD, Dreamer, Heyman, or Jerry Lynn.
ReplyDeleteAcquired mines last night.
ReplyDeleteAny one of those would be fine... but Jerry Lynn is the only one that could do something like that now. Unless they got rid of Dreamer's office job.... I don't remember.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I was just being hypothetical.
ReplyDeleteMartel might be well spoken but he has a thick ass accent that i cant really cut through.
ReplyDeleteRVD would be very good.
ReplyDeleteTaz would be nice as well since it was the start of his main event push
Taz would be a good one too. He seems like a guy who was pretty close to everything.
ReplyDeleteYikes, this one's really gonna set off that HartKiller dude.
ReplyDeleteYou wanna hear 2 hours of how many wrestlers came to him with tears in his eyes?
ReplyDeleteYes. Tears come to my eyes just thinking of it.
ReplyDeleteBret Hart YouShoot Question #1: C'mon Bret, were you really seeing "Sunny days"?
ReplyDeleteNash's '95 tops my list.
ReplyDeleteSame here.
ReplyDeleteBut I also like 93-95 with Luger/Pac/Nash respectively
If Bret does a YouShoot, Im asking why in your book everyone had "tears in their eyes" after your matches?
ReplyDeleteSuch a question might require making a video with water streaming all over your face. "Bret, I have so many tears in my eyes just for getting to ask you a question!"
ReplyDeleteYUP.
ReplyDelete1. Cornette 97
2. Nash 95
3. Waltman 94
For me.
ughh never again am I sitting thru that
ReplyDeleteYes. Bret is bitter and doesn't give a shit and he'll rip on everyone who crossed him.
ReplyDeleteThat...might be the greatest idea in the history of the BoD.
ReplyDeleteThat's strange. Val Venis is practically a Republican. Why was he complaining about them?
ReplyDeleteHmm so what years are we missing at this point? Lets just stick with 90s. WWF- 90, 91, 96, 98 ( I think). WCW - 90, 92, 94-99.???
ReplyDelete$10 says you don't get past late January w/o hearing how great he was at something. Love ya Bret, but you've had every bit as much smoke blown up your ass as Hogan has.
ReplyDeleteI was just using a random politcal complaint, I dont know or remember what side he is on
ReplyDeleteIt was actually in my local newspaper the day after it happened.... with a huge picture of Flair's pulled down trunks.
ReplyDeleteJim Cornette should do 1996. I can't think of anyone else they could get for it that was anything. Unless they wanted to toss a shit ton of money at Steve Austin or HBK.
ReplyDelete1990 and 1991 WWF are hard because you can't do Warrior, Savage, Perfect due to their deaths. Heenan is hard to understand now (unfortunately). Hogan would be hilarious, but he isn't doing it.
I also think New Jack is a good choice for an ECW Timeline
ReplyDeleteHe understands wrestling and is a lot more business savvy than people give him credit.
Sullivan did 96 WCW
ReplyDeleteDidn't it just happen twice?
ReplyDeleteThey should get Nash for 97 or 98 WCW.
ReplyDeleteI was actually thinking Bischoff.
ReplyDeletePritchard just did a RF video, if you like creative side.
ReplyDeleteI'm drawing a blank on 96 WWF as far as talent.
Ahmed Johnson (googily moogily!) was pretty much on his way to being a top guy in 96.
He has all his books. Have you ever read Jim Cornette and the Midnight Express scrapbook 25th anniversary?
ReplyDeletelol.
Not bad either
ReplyDeleteBisch for 1997 would be a good choice
Cornette is doing 1989 WCW too. I think it is being released in early 2015
ReplyDeleteOn second thought, they should do Sunny for 1996. She was the best manager in the company.
ReplyDeleteMarc Mero would be a decent '96 pick, but obviously his stuff may be a little foggy before his debut. Not sure how involved or around he was in WWE at the time.
ReplyDeleteI only read the book once but im guessing it happened more often, especially the way the IWC says it.
ReplyDeleteThats a miss in my book.
ReplyDeleteFlair needs the paydays, he would have been my shoe-in for 89
Yeah, because the IWC never exaggerates anything.
ReplyDeleteThe only person who I can remember doing it was Jimmy Hart, who seems like an emotional dude.
Sunny would awesome. She knows the business and was on top... giggity
ReplyDeleteMero didnt come in until after WM12 IIRC
ReplyDeleteSee I would more inclined to not have repeats.
ReplyDeleteNow re-dos... definitely because like said before 99-01 is just atrocious and early in the timeline series that definitely need a redo.
But also because I think that there should be TOP talent and a creative side as well for each year so you can get a good look from both sides of the coin.
Mero wouldn't be bad, as he was in the upper midcard and facing Steve Austin and Faarooq and such. However, since he came in after WrestleMania, he wouldn't really know much about anything prior to that. Of the people they could get, Sunny may be the best one for the whole year.
ReplyDeleteEven Ahmed Johnson is a problem because he got injured in the summer of '96, so he wouldn't have much to say about the fall.
That string of shows early on with Russo where they had a surprise return every single week. I nearly died when Ahmed Johnson returned.
ReplyDeleteFor 96 WWF, I think that Austin would be the ideal choice
ReplyDeleteHope followed by dismay followed by 05-06 hope followed by dismay and then indifference.
ReplyDeleteAlso like to add the cage match between AMW and Triple X with the infamous Elix Skipper tightrope frankenstiener.
ReplyDeleteFor sure. My dream 1996 list would be (excluding Vince obviously):
ReplyDelete1-Austin
2-HBK
3-Sunny
4-Jim Cornette
That said, I bet we get the damn Godwinns or something.
The problem with Jack isn't his acumen, its that he really wasnt a fixture in 98 ECW on top.
ReplyDeleteBy that time, The Gangstaz had passed and moved onto the Dudleys, Now Bubba Ray for 98? That would be better cuz of how intertwined he was with promotion as well as being half of the top tag team of the company.
Everyone's answer should be Willow.
ReplyDeleteYeah, 99-01 is awful.
ReplyDeleteTaz, like you said, would be a good choice.
ReplyDeleteMissed Opportunities. TNA had 12 years to hook fans, but found new ways to muck things up at every possible turn. Instead of going in the direction of being an alternative product to WWE, they slowly regressed into being a painfully mediocre, watered-down version of WWE, or if you want to get really nasty, later year versions of WCW. Poor management and nearly non-existent advertisement campaigns have almost made their decade plus history completely irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteThe 2003 Super X Cup weekly PPV show was just classic. Juvi was in the zone, and I thought for sure Teddy Hart was going to star in the promotion after this. One of my all time favorite wrestling shows, a perfect tournament. Plus I think the show ended with a War Games style cage match.
ReplyDeleteCan you pay for Austin though is the question?
ReplyDeleteI mean for every year I would pick Pat Patterson. or Vince, but really its either a deal of
1. Still in mafia
2. cant afford
3. both
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ReplyDeleteThat is the thing.
ReplyDeleteAustin has his podcast too and might not want to do anything with another company that is not the WWE
Thats true he was injured by Simmons or was that kayfabe?
ReplyDeleteWow if I make that, I can save TNA!
ReplyDeleteJIM ROSS!
ReplyDeleteNo, it was legit. He almost died.
ReplyDeleteFlair is under WWE contract right now though.
ReplyDeleteBut Flair would be great for that year
Ahmed Johnson returned?! How did I miss that one?!
ReplyDeleteim just saying... the joke has been established.
ReplyDeleteYeah ... It was just so random ... you were conditioned to think of a certain guy as champ and I honestly would never in a million years in 1992 pick Bret Hart to be WWF champ.
ReplyDeleteOh hell yeah. Ross would be great for 1996 or the Attitude Era in general because of his work at talent relations.
ReplyDeleteHe's way too big of a vagina to really go into detail with any of the good stuff.
ReplyDeleteThe Scott D'Amore and Dutch Mantell booked Knockout Division. When they booked the division they had compelling storylines, good matches, and interesting characters. The Gail Kim-Awesome Kong feud, the Beautiful People bullying Roxie LaRue, ODB being outrageous. Even when the rest of the roster was involved in badly booked nonsense you could always count on the Knockouts to be entertaining. Of course once Vince Russo started booking the division and it got integrated into the rest of the TNA booking it became really bad, really quickly.
ReplyDeleteOh thats right.
ReplyDeleteYou know he aint fucking over Vince now... well... it is about WCW, so he could get a pass on that.
My bad, I meant was Simmons injuring him kayfabe? I know the kidney was legit, but was Simmons the reason he got put out?
ReplyDeleteThe tears thing only happened once or twice, but in the WWF years of the book, every chapter Bret talks about people coming up to him after a match and telling him how great it was (or it was the best match of the night/its type).
ReplyDeleteI found it off putting at first. But these days, I find his boasts somewhat cute and endearing in a crazy grandpa kind of way.
Didn't he have an interview on the show and got into a fight with Triple H after Warrior squashed him and he was blaming Sable?
ReplyDeleteJeff Hardy's Inner Monologue for the win.
ReplyDeleteThis. 1000% this.
ReplyDeleteTaz would be a good get.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I've been able to gather from that time period + what I remember seeing, I think it was Simmons responsibility because he was way too stiff with some of the kicks he gave to Ahmed. Simmons has a reputation as a stiff worker, so it wouldn't surprise me.
ReplyDeleteJust think, wrestling history may have been forever changed because of a few stiff kicks (and that doesn't even tough Goldberg smashing Bret in the head).
I liked how Bret called George Steele a mother fucker.
ReplyDeleteYeah. That was how they introduced him and paired him with Sable, which gave us Mero's first feud with Triple H. That lasted until the KOTR.
ReplyDeleteThat they gave their company the acronym most closely associated with tits and ass.
ReplyDeleteHe looks more and more like Stu each day
ReplyDeleteI cracked up at the story of Owen tossing the Halliburton (which I assume was Steele's?) off a bridge and into the river.
ReplyDelete2 things:
ReplyDelete1) Jeff Jarrett's insistence on always being the centerpiece for the first 8 years of the company.....and still not being over
2) TNA Had as close of a chance at re-creating the Goldberg-like phenomenon that they needed: Monty Brown....and they dropped the ball by turning him into a heel gopher for guess who? Which in a sense goes back to #1: Jeff Jarrett has to be the centerpiece of everything. Monty Brown - if used correctly - could have been big enough to singlehandedly save the company.....and they screwed it up, and he left to become a little-used bit player in WWE and left the business entirely. It's a shame really. The guy was a monster and should have been allowed to be just that, not to mention he had the "look" and possibly could have went more mainstream. TNA has screwed up other ways (releasing Jay Lethal, not pushing the X-Division, incredibly botching the whole Pacman Jones thing, Vince Russo....period) but that is #1.
Bad Influence. The show hit rock bottom the minute they left. I still watch somewhat, but the show just isn't fun without them.
ReplyDeleteHas Jimmy Hart done a timeline? He seems like a great guy to do the early WWF.
ReplyDeleteHere's my question?
ReplyDeleteDo you think there would be an audience for Timelines or AWA/SMW/WCCW?
I don't think anyone could miss Ahmed Johnson.
ReplyDeleteHE'S FAT.
The thing was that the Faarooq incident occurred during the live portion of Raw. They still had another week or two to tape, including Ahmed's battle royal victory to guarantee him a title shot (I always wondered what that was setting up). Simmons was to blame, I believe, but: 1. Ahmed has proven that he has a brittle body. 2. He wrestled afterwards (I think) while not knowing something was wrong.
ReplyDeleteI'd buy a Cornette shoot about the SMW in general. Just in terms of how he ran it, what he wished he could change, how it declined, etc. I wouldn't do a timeline of a specific year of the promotion, though.
ReplyDeleteSo basically, no.
"I’m fairly sure you just became the most popular female (only female?) on the BoD."
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Princess will have something to say about this.
I think he came in 84 as well... maybe 85.
ReplyDeleteNever saw 85 WWF (thats Valentine IIRC)
But he has never done a timeline though
By the way, Jessexpress = Total Awesomeness lol
ReplyDeleteThat whenever given a choice between a logical option and a stupid option they unfailingly chose the stupid option.
ReplyDeleteSo a year by year would be out, but a general TIMELINE: WCCW hosted by Kevin Von Erich highlighting specific dates?
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed that Number 1 contender's battle royal they ran on RAW. The finish between Ahmed-Goldust is red hot. I also wonder what they were going for with Ahmed winning. I have to think the plans were still for Vader to beat HBK and run Vader-Ahmed?!? No way they were thinking of running Ahmed-HBK, but 11 year old me was excited as hell about the possibility of that match. HBK-Ahmed was sort of like the big dream match for the WWF in 1996.
ReplyDeleteI think that would work. They could get Greg Gagne for AWA or something.
ReplyDeleteThe one negative I will think of is how Samoa Joe never got to the level he could have. I'm still foggy on the details, but I just remember he was going to be the top monster badass heel, and then he was just some guy.
ReplyDeleteFor a positive, I will think of how they did actually provide an alternative to WWE by having guys that WWE didn't. AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, the Motorcity Machineguns, Kaz, Petey Williams, America's Most Wanted, Bobby Roode, etc. These are guys who could put on great matches on television, and at times, TNA seemed like ROH at a higher level with a TV deal.
Elix Skipper walking the cage.
ReplyDeleteEasy: whenever I think of TNA, two things immediately come to mind: WCW version 2.0, and Jeff Jarrett. And neither one of those is a good thing.
ReplyDeleteAlso the Ultimate X matches with the six sided ring was something that I will always remember about TNA. Ultimate X and AJ Styles.
ReplyDeleteEspecially coming off that loss to Davey Boy... I was sure he went down the ranks. Now of course, I know that dropping the IC title was the stepping stone to the main event.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely. The only problem with some (AWA) is the age of the people who would be good candidates. Verne and Nick aren't well, so it would have to be Greg.
ReplyDeleteIt was like savage/steamboat
ReplyDeleteFailure
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