What's incredibly encouraging is that if you listen to the people behind all this they actually...appear competent, are fans of the comics (but understand how to make it commercial without alienating those fans), and seem to have good heads on their shoulders
here's Kevin Feige on the Nerdist: http://www.nerdist.com/pepisode/nerdist-podcast-kevin-feige/
It doesn't say much for my life, but the only thing better than this announcement would be them announcing the cryo-sleep technology used on Bucky....Wake me up on every release day chop quick like
There's a lot of characters on that list that never appealed to me much, but if you're going to flesh out a universe, you need bodies and I'll give Marvel the benefit of the doubt.
One day I might even watch GotG, even though it's about space pirates, which is an idea that I hate like death.
Yeah, Marvel becoming their own movie studio was a game changer. Feige paints the broad strokes and finds the creative visions that weave into his overall plan.
Yeah, those are pretty much the 3 that I'm talking about. Never liked Strange one bit, Mar-vell was before my time, and Panther was an ok background character in weaker Avengers line ups.
Chris Pratt filled the Han Solo void in my life that's been missing since the 1997 re-release of the Star Wars OT. Seriously, see Guardians, just a hell of a fun time.
They may turn out to be good movies but I doubt I'll pay to see them in theaters. Some of these characters seem more appropriate for a guest role in movie than their own solo flick but I could be wrong.
It's just really exciting to hear writers/directors talk about things from the comics that they want to bring to life in a new way. NOt even until recently did I think they'd really pull the trigger on a Civil War arc and now HOLY SHIT
I'm sure this will offend comic book nerds everywhere just to ask, but at what point do these type of movies officially become oversaturated?
I'll go see Batman, X-Men, and Iron Man movies until the end of time, but I've never even heard of "Ant Man" or "Black Panther". And do Thor or Captain America really need multiple sequels?
I feel like critics are going to turn on them sooner than later because they're running the well dry.
I think Marvel's movie division has done a good job not oversaturating(until today potentially) they've averaged 2 movies a year which is a good pace where you don't burn the audience out.
As for Captain America: The second movie was awesome and the 3rd one is poised to be the biggest Solo Marvel film on the schedule.
Some of the ones they announced today run the risk of oversaturation though and don't do much to get me excited. As long as they maintain a 2-a-year pace they should be fine.
They can't really control the other comic book movies being made by Fox, Sony and DC though.
Aside from Guardians (which was mostly good, hampered only by the parts where it has to explain the stupid overarching plots for the next fifteen movies), these films have been the absolute baseline of acceptability. Totally generic, not a hint of style, no characters to connect to or interesting ideas or anything that you might find in a good B-movie. Except for the occasional totally wretched mess, like Iron Man 2 and The Avengers.
I love the trolls on movie boards that rag on the MCU output. Phase Two has had consistently entertaining movies. Sure, they do have a certain template, but so do any major blockbuster from Bond to Star Wars.
Blockbusters used to be total shit - Wild Wild West anyone? - but now internet trolls aren't even happy when they are averaging 70% or better on Rotten Tomatoes or even up to the 90% range like this year's MCU films.
Good. But Iron Man had Robert Downey Jr and Jeff Bridges. Ant Man has Paul Rudd.
It's not really a question of whether these comic IPs can be translated into good films or not, but whether Marvel can maintain quality with their quantity.
At Benedict Cumberbatch being picked to play Doctor Strange? Yes. That dude is lame. At the rest of these movies? No, they just kinda suck, but in a really flat way that's not even interestingly bad.
I can't help but think that InHumans will still be a bit of a hard sell. The story doesn't seem to have the room for the Star Wars like fun and adventure that James Gunn brought to GOTG. I also have no problem w/ how FOX has handled the X-Men franchise (well, except for W:Origins and Last Stand).
A difference of opinion automatically means trolling? I just think these movies are mediocre. The only one that actually seemed like a movie rather than a puzzle piece is Guardians.
And seriously, are you really trying to sell right now as a golden age of blockbuster movies? There's good and bad blockbusters in every year. 1999 may have had Wild, Wild West, but it also had The Matrix.
Hah! I guess a long Marvel movie is still shorter than Raw.
But I usually end up seeing them on DVD/streaming with friends or my dad. The only one I really took a shot on in theater was Guardians, because hey, talking raccoon and tree monster and Batista.
Haha, to be fair, he was the one who calmly explained why he didn't like the movies, and you were the one who jumped on him for daring not to like them.
I'm thinking that Marvel is going to make the Inhumans into their version of the X-Men. Since they can't use "mutants" they will go deeper into the Kree storyline.. especially with AOS skirting around the issue and Captain Marvel down the line.. exciting shit!!
I've also seen (unfortunately) Ghost Rider, both Fantastic Four movies, and five Spiderman films since the attitude era ended which varied from "pretty good" to "downright awful".
I also really liked UFC before they started doing a PPV or Fox special every other weekend.
Agreed, if people think Marvel films are the height of film-making...get out more.
Are they generally fun romps? Yeah, but that's all they are. They're carried by the charisma of their actors and the special effects budget, everything else is sub-par to bad.
That said, Hollywood right now is in a major creative slump, so workmanlike and tolerable is as good as we're going to get.
One of the big things is that none of those seven films you mentioned (Ghost Rider, FF4 1 & 2, the Spiderman movies) came from Marvel Studios themselves, which is quite the difference. That would be like me saying I wouldn't watch WWF in 2000 because I saw a few episodes of Nitro and holy shit, wrestling sure can suck.
Well, it won't be exactly the comic version of the arc. Same way that Age of Ultron won't be the same. Feige said that Civil war won't be about registration, but more about which government answers to who and which super answers to who.
No style, except for the operatic style of Thor with its wide shots in order to show off its grandeur.
No style, except for the pulp-like, Rocketeer-like 40s adventure like Captain America. It was the first superhero period piece.
No style, except for Cap's sequel that was completely different by playing it like a 70s spy thriller or a Bourne movie.
And I really don't get what you're saying about no characters to connect to or interesting ideas. They've taken some very colourful, sometimes silly characters and managed to make them believable enough for the big screen and general box office audience. Iron Man's redemption arc wasn't interesting?
Also, I don't even get how Avengers was a wretched mess. You're saying that like it's no better than the Transformers movies.
base it on the Paul Jenkins Marvel Knights limited series and let it rip. Huge teleporting dogs are going to be all the rage after it. Lockjaw will be the Groot of the movie, I can see it already.
I'm a regular comic book reader and spend around 15 dollars or more every week on comics. That said, I'm feeling pretty burnt out on the superhero genre in movies already. The one constant I have though is knowing all the marvel studios films will be good. So while I'll probably skip stuff like sinister six, suicide squad or the fantastic four reboot, I'll more than likely go see all the movies marvel just announced.
I dont enjoy on the whole the DC movie plan, but by god I am a huge fan of Suicide Squad and if Deadshot is there I am in BABAY!! Also this may force DC to finally continue reprinting the 80's Ostrander series.
Inhumans is such a genius move. Let's them basically say fuck off to Fox and all the mutants they have.
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ReplyDeleteYeah, DC is done.
No Fancy Ghosts?!?
ReplyDeleteWhat's incredibly encouraging is that if you listen to the people behind all this they actually...appear competent, are fans of the comics (but understand how to make it commercial without alienating those fans), and seem to have good heads on their shoulders
ReplyDeletehere's Kevin Feige on the Nerdist: http://www.nerdist.com/pepisode/nerdist-podcast-kevin-feige/
It doesn't say much for my life, but the only thing better than this announcement would be them announcing the cryo-sleep technology used on Bucky....Wake me up on every release day chop quick like
ReplyDeleteCap and Avengers and the Daredevil netflix series is all I need. The rest is extra.
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ReplyDeleteOh wow, crazy talk.
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot of characters on that list that never appealed to me much, but if you're going to flesh out a universe, you need bodies and I'll give Marvel the benefit of the doubt.
One day I might even watch GotG, even though it's about space pirates, which is an idea that I hate like death.
How do you hate space pirates? Han Solo dude!
ReplyDeleteI have a Solo exception.
ReplyDeleteI knew nothing about Guardians before watching it. It was awesome. Very different vibe from the other Marvel films I've seen.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Marvel becoming their own movie studio was a game changer. Feige paints the broad strokes and finds the creative visions that weave into his overall plan.
ReplyDeleteI feel you there. Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange don't excite me much but Cap and The Avengers is very exciting.
ReplyDeleteYeah, those are pretty much the 3 that I'm talking about. Never liked Strange one bit, Mar-vell was before my time, and Panther was an ok background character in weaker Avengers line ups.
ReplyDeleteYou're doing yourself a big disservice in not seeing GotG.
ReplyDeleteChris Pratt filled the Han Solo void in my life that's been missing since the 1997 re-release of the Star Wars OT. Seriously, see Guardians, just a hell of a fun time.
ReplyDeleteMore assembly line crap
ReplyDeleteThey may turn out to be good movies but I doubt I'll pay to see them in theaters. Some of these characters seem more appropriate for a guest role in movie than their own solo flick but I could be wrong.
ReplyDeleteSay what? Explain.
ReplyDeleteI probably will. I've enjoyed all of the Marvel flicks to a decent extent.
ReplyDeleteMore like secondwrongline
ReplyDeleteChadwick Boseman as Black Panther is an excellent choice, dude is a fantastic actor, lots of charisma.
ReplyDeleteIt's just really exciting to hear writers/directors talk about things from the comics that they want to bring to life in a new way. NOt even until recently did I think they'd really pull the trigger on a Civil War arc and now HOLY SHIT
ReplyDeleteI'm sure this will offend comic book nerds everywhere just to ask, but at what point do these type of movies officially become oversaturated?
ReplyDeleteI'll go see Batman, X-Men, and Iron Man movies until the end of time, but I've never even heard of "Ant Man" or "Black Panther". And do Thor or Captain America really need multiple sequels?
I feel like critics are going to turn on them sooner than later because they're running the well dry.
The big name characters like Thor and Cap have more than enough history, and internal universe to justify sequels.
ReplyDeletePeople said that about the first Iron Man. How'd that turn out?
ReplyDeleteI think Marvel's movie division has done a good job not oversaturating(until today potentially) they've averaged 2 movies a year which is a good pace where you don't burn the audience out.
ReplyDeleteAs for Captain America: The second movie was awesome and the 3rd one is poised to be the biggest Solo Marvel film on the schedule.
Some of the ones they announced today run the risk of oversaturation though and don't do much to get me excited. As long as they maintain a 2-a-year pace they should be fine.
They can't really control the other comic book movies being made by Fox, Sony and DC though.
Batista is great.
ReplyDeleteAside from Guardians (which was mostly good, hampered only by the parts where it has to explain the stupid overarching plots for the next fifteen movies), these films have been the absolute baseline of acceptability. Totally generic, not a hint of style, no characters to connect to or interesting ideas or anything that you might find in a good B-movie. Except for the occasional totally wretched mess, like Iron Man 2 and The Avengers.
ReplyDeleteI wish I was more of a comic book nerd so I could be more excited about all this. Sounds like a windfall for Marvel fans, though.
ReplyDeletelol u mad bro?
ReplyDeleteI love the trolls on movie boards that rag on the MCU output. Phase Two has had consistently entertaining movies. Sure, they do have a certain template, but so do any major blockbuster from Bond to Star Wars.
ReplyDeleteBlockbusters used to be total shit - Wild Wild West anyone? - but now internet trolls aren't even happy when they are averaging 70% or better on Rotten Tomatoes or even up to the 90% range like this year's MCU films.
From his comments, it sounds like he'll go see em all anyway.
ReplyDeleteThere's, uh, tons of ways of seeing these movies without spending money on them. Legal ways at that!
ReplyDeleteYeah I'm just gonna change my direct deposit to Marvel I think.
ReplyDeleteGood. But Iron Man had Robert Downey Jr and Jeff Bridges. Ant Man has Paul Rudd.
ReplyDeleteIt's not really a question of whether these comic IPs can be translated into good films or not, but whether Marvel can maintain quality with their quantity.
If they're consistently good? They don't.
ReplyDeleteAt Benedict Cumberbatch being picked to play Doctor Strange? Yes. That dude is lame. At the rest of these movies? No, they just kinda suck, but in a really flat way that's not even interestingly bad.
ReplyDeleteI can't help but think that InHumans will still be a bit of a hard sell. The story doesn't seem to have the room for the Star Wars like fun and adventure that James Gunn brought to GOTG. I also have no problem w/ how FOX has handled the X-Men franchise (well, except for W:Origins and Last Stand).
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter how well known the character is, it matters how good the movie is.
ReplyDeleteIt's all building up to the Infinity angle.
ReplyDeleteu so mad bro
ReplyDeleteI would not describe GOTG as space pirates. It's more of a mix of Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Avengers
ReplyDeleteA difference of opinion automatically means trolling? I just think these movies are mediocre. The only one that actually seemed like a movie rather than a puzzle piece is Guardians.
ReplyDeleteAnd seriously, are you really trying to sell right now as a golden age of blockbuster movies? There's good and bad blockbusters in every year. 1999 may have had Wild, Wild West, but it also had The Matrix.
Hulk smash?
ReplyDeleteYou haven't seen or heard of Guardians of the Galaxy?
ReplyDeleteYour argument has been proven consistently invalid by Marvel. Thank you.
people liking stuff makes me so angry! why can't everybody hate stuff that everybody likes like me!
ReplyDeleteWhy do you watch them if they bother you so?
ReplyDelete(He says on a wrestling blog.)
Same. Bring them all on if they're as good as this year's Cap 2, GOTG, and DOFP.
ReplyDeleteAlternately, "Everyone likes this, so you're obviously wrong if you don't join in." Which is why I'm still carrying around my Tamagotchi.
ReplyDeleteHah! I guess a long Marvel movie is still shorter than Raw.
ReplyDeleteBut I usually end up seeing them on DVD/streaming with friends or my dad. The only one I really took a shot on in theater was Guardians, because hey, talking raccoon and tree monster and Batista.
So let's go over all of the heroes who will be Marvel Cinematic/Television properties by the end of 2019:
ReplyDeleteCaptain America
Thor
Iron Man
Hulk
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Ant-Man (Hank Pym)
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Wasp (in some form)
Falcon
Iron Patriot
Lady Sif
The Warriors Three
The Winter Soldier
Dr. Strange
Mockingbird
Daredevil
Elektra (unconfirmed, but a sure shot)
Jessica Jones
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Black Panther
Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)
Black Bolt
Medusa
Karnac
Gorgon
Crystal
That is insane.
Haha, to be fair, he was the one who calmly explained why he didn't like the movies, and you were the one who jumped on him for daring not to like them.
ReplyDeleteYou forgot Howard The Duck.
ReplyDeleteThe Inhumans is wild.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking that Marvel is going to make the Inhumans into their version of the X-Men. Since they can't use "mutants" they will go deeper into the Kree storyline.. especially with AOS skirting around the issue and Captain Marvel down the line.. exciting shit!!
ReplyDeleteCorrect.
ReplyDeleteHe's technicaly confirmed in universe
Also Cosmo the Dog.
ReplyDeleteand Adam Warlock's cocoon was in GOTG too..
ReplyDeleteSo uhh, I was talking with some people who were saying DC wasn't as far behind as everyone said they were.
ReplyDeleteIn terms of film, Marvel have become the big boys in the super hero Genre.
nah, he mad bro
ReplyDeletePoor Triton. Always forgotten. Does Lockjaw count as a hero?
ReplyDeleteIt's not about space pirates, there are space pirates in it, but they're not like...the key characters.
ReplyDeleteBy that standard, you'd say no to Cowboy Bebop.
You're wrong.
ReplyDeleteI'd say "What?" to Cowboy Bebop.
Strange has the opportunity to be fantastic film if they let it be super trippy and weird.
ReplyDeleteIf they stick with their tried and true formula...it'll suck hard.
Yes, and I don't think it has.
ReplyDeleteI've also seen (unfortunately) Ghost Rider, both Fantastic Four movies, and five Spiderman films since the attitude era ended which varied from "pretty good" to "downright awful".
I also really liked UFC before they started doing a PPV or Fox special every other weekend.
Agreed, if people think Marvel films are the height of film-making...get out more.
ReplyDeleteAre they generally fun romps? Yeah, but that's all they are. They're carried by the charisma of their actors and the special effects budget, everything else is sub-par to bad.
That said, Hollywood right now is in a major creative slump, so workmanlike and tolerable is as good as we're going to get.
"...but I have a new Star Wars coming out"
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One of the big things is that none of those seven films you mentioned (Ghost Rider, FF4 1 & 2, the Spiderman movies) came from Marvel Studios themselves, which is quite the difference. That would be like me saying I wouldn't watch WWF in 2000 because I saw a few episodes of Nitro and holy shit, wrestling sure can suck.
ReplyDeleteThank you.
ReplyDeleteMarvel is playing chess while DC/Warner Bros are having trouble with Chutes & Ladders.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Lockjaw.
ReplyDeleteWow!
ReplyDeleteA load of films about characters I've never heard of by company who routinely develops bland, generic, cookie cutter films.
I can barely contain my excitement!
For a given value of great.
ReplyDeleteOne of the greatest TV shows of all time.
ReplyDeleteWell, it won't be exactly the comic version of the arc. Same way that Age of Ultron won't be the same. Feige said that Civil war won't be about registration, but more about which government answers to who and which super answers to who.
ReplyDeleteYeah, we all now how that's gonna go.....
ReplyDeleteEither way, I'm still gonna see them.
ReplyDeleteBetween The Avengers trailer and this announcement, I think it's safe to say all the films DC announced just became obsolete
ReplyDeleteHeck, DC should just sell themselves to Marvel at this point.
ReplyDeletePretty well.
ReplyDeleteYeah, it's gonna go the exact same way these are: into Disney's pockets.
ReplyDeleteIt's not Mar-vell, it's Carol Danvers.
ReplyDeleteNo style, except for the operatic style of Thor with its wide shots in order to show off its grandeur.
ReplyDeleteNo style, except for the pulp-like, Rocketeer-like 40s adventure like Captain America. It was the first superhero period piece.
No style, except for Cap's sequel that was completely different by playing it like a 70s spy thriller or a Bourne movie.
And I really don't get what you're saying about no characters to connect to or interesting ideas. They've taken some very colourful, sometimes silly characters and managed to make them believable enough for the big screen and general box office audience. Iron Man's redemption arc wasn't interesting?
Also, I don't even get how Avengers was a wretched mess. You're saying that like it's no better than the Transformers movies.
Can we please have Red Skull return in some form? I always liked him as a villain.
ReplyDeleteAn Avengers vs Justice league movie would be the biggest thing ever!!
ReplyDeleteNow that Lucas is not around to make them boring snoozefests.. they should do well.
ReplyDeletebase it on the Paul Jenkins Marvel Knights limited series and let it rip. Huge teleporting dogs are going to be all the rage after it. Lockjaw will be the Groot of the movie, I can see it already.
ReplyDeleteI'm a regular comic book reader and spend around 15 dollars or more every week on comics. That said, I'm feeling pretty burnt out on the superhero genre in movies already. The one constant I have though is knowing all the marvel studios films will be good. So while I'll probably skip stuff like sinister six, suicide squad or the fantastic four reboot, I'll more than likely go see all the movies marvel just announced.
ReplyDeletethat movie only needs 2 things. Hot ass lead and her in the Ms Marvel costume with the sash.
ReplyDeleteI dont enjoy on the whole the DC movie plan, but by god I am a huge fan of Suicide Squad and if Deadshot is there I am in BABAY!! Also this may force DC to finally continue reprinting the 80's Ostrander series.
ReplyDeleteI called it up above. Lockjaw is totally going to be that movies "Groot" in terms of marketing and fan love.
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