Scott, Adam here. I remember for a while you were calling Triple H "HHHH". What was the 4th H for?
BYOBB. That second B was a typo.
Anyway, I sent an e-mail to explain the joke, but in case anyone else cares and didn't get the obvious multiple layers of the joke, it's a two-parter:
1) The fourth H stands for "HGH", and he needed the fourth H because...
2) He was so gigantically bloated when he returned in 2002 that clearly he was bigger than HHH and had now expanded to HHHH.
So there you go.
Did he have a dates contract or not?
ReplyDeleteWait, punk did a podcast?
ReplyDeleteHow much of an embarrassment is it for Meltzer that he didn't know any of this stuff?
ReplyDelete3. Quad H was a play on Hunter's torn quad.
ReplyDeleteIt's all just Punk's side of the story, so I'm not sure what there is to "know". Meltzer has said several times that he doesn't have any kind of relationship with Punk and has only spoken to him once or twice.
ReplyDeleteTriple HHH
ReplyDeleteMore importantly: Who will be the next RAW GM or evil authority figure?!?! I can't stand to wait!
ReplyDeleteI've heard a lot of people on this blog say Punk should have main evented WM27 because he was a lot better than the Miz, and I always disagreed with notion. Yes Punk being in Miz' spot would have worked a lot better, but at the same time Punk didn't have the credibility to be a WM headliner either at the time, so people saying it should have been Punk in Miz' spot is akin to saying Henry Godwinn deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he has more credibility than Koko B Ware.
ReplyDeleteShouldn't his 'sources' have known that punk was as injured as he was? Or the whole 'suspension' deal?
ReplyDeleteI think the other part of his WM main event fixation, as evidenced by the documentary, is that he was passed up one year in favor of the fucking Miz, to which Punk flat-out said Miz was not in his league (I agree), esp. considering his hot act as the SES Savior.
ReplyDelete"but at the same time Punk didn't have the credibility to be a WM headliner either at the time"
ReplyDeleteBUT MORE THAN THE FUCKING MIZ
I agree--I don't think Punk/Rock/Cena would have done better business and Punk's idea to be eliminated that early would have backfired. Also, fans generally accepted that Punk would lose to Rock at the Rumble and that we'd get Cena vs. Rock II. Some fans were calling for Punk's inclusion, but they weren't "hijacking" segments like they did the next year with Bryan.
ReplyDeleteI think there's a high probability that Punk would have found himself in a Mania main event if he had stayed with the company (perhaps even last year). And there's certainly still time if he decides to return. But I think he's about the only guy who considers himself a "failure" for not main eventing the show.
Totally disagree on Punk at WM29 - sure, Cena and Rock were the bigger stars, but sometimes it makes more sense to let the bigger (biggest) stars have the middle-of-the-card "special attraction" match, and use the closer to help build for the future. Look at Hogan/Rock, Angle/Shawn, or Shawn/Taker at WM25 as examples.
ReplyDeleteThe Cena/Rock rematch still would have pulled a million buys whether it was in the middle or at the end of the show, and also whether it had a title on the line or not. If Vince insisted on having a title on the line, there's no reason it couldn't have been for the WHC instead (with ADR/Swagger being for the US Title).
The way things were done, it not only added unneeded gaga to Cena/Rock, but also marginalized Punk and Taker - Punk had lost the title in lackluster fashion and jobbed several big matches in a row, and Taker was presented as the consolation prize for the guy that couldn't hang with the "real" stars.
I'm not disagreeing more than the Miz, but I'm just saying neither guy had the credibility to be a WM headliner at the time and both guys would have ended up being a background character to the whole Rock/Cena feud anyway.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to the npp thread?
ReplyDelete" Taker was presented as the consolation prize for the guy that couldn't hang with the "real" stars"
ReplyDeleteJust like the Hunter match presented to him when he left, because the last time he was involved with an angle with HHH worked so well for him in 2011.
You never want to put your hottest match in the middle of the card because the crowd ended up being dead after the Hogan/Rock and Shawn/Taker matches.
ReplyDeleteI think Bryan vs Punk is a major money match right now. Work rate or not those are the two most over wrestlers in north america. Other than a match with the rock vs whoever that's the biggest thing they could have put on.
ReplyDeletePunk was a main event act with plenty of credibility by wm27.
ReplyDeleteNot really, it was before the whole pipebomb deal, and Punk had pretty much lost all of his high profile feuds just a year earlier.
ReplyDeleteHGHHH
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, if they had run Cena/Punk, we already know how that match would've gone because we saw it on Raw. And it likely would've challenge WM17 for the greatest Mania main event of all time.
ReplyDeleteWho didnt love fat, double-chinned, biker shorts HHHH?
ReplyDeleteIncredible answers. I just hope the blog doesn't turn on Scott for DARING to not 100% worship Punk there. He really did hit the nail right on the head. He just wasn't THAT big of a name or draw.
ReplyDeleteUmm, that isn't really my recollection. Punk was a main event from the spring of 2009 on. He would have been perfect to main event wm27.
ReplyDeleteI like him more now that he's called Rusev
ReplyDeleteThat was 03. Scott is referring to the enormous early 2002 return from surgery HHHH
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I'm glad he didn't main event WM27, because I'd hate for his potential star turn to have been hijacked by Rock treating the whole match as beneath him the way he did to Cena and Miz.
ReplyDeleteYes, Punk had a lot of credibility in 2009 because Hardy put him over in a big way, but then Punk worked with Taker, pissed him off behind the scenes and then Taker pretty much destroyed his credibility and undid everything Hardy had done to put Punk there.
ReplyDeleteHe was in a few main events with Jeff Hardy, but then he basically went on a streak where he lost 4 major feuds in a row (Taker, Rey, Big Show, and Orton at WM 27). He *MIGHT* have been able to pull it off, but it wasn't an automatic thing either.
ReplyDeleteThe only way he could have saved it was maybe if he did the pipebomb a few months earlier in the buildup to WM.
ReplyDeleteHa, is joke!
ReplyDeleteI thought wrestling wasn't real and it didn't matter who went over?
ReplyDeleteI want my wrestlers to have Punk's attitude. Be the best and don't compromise. The guy worked, believed in himself and produced. If there's nothing else bringing him satisfaction, fuck it. It's his body and his vision.
ReplyDeleteShush, he thinks he has a point.
ReplyDeleteAnd the pipebomb basically turned him into one of the biggest names in wrestling, so if he did get the WM 27 main event, (where he would have been an afterthought), then maybe he would have just floundered after that. Austin became "Stone Cold" because of his WCW bitterness, Punk had the "pipebomb" because of the WM 27 bitterness. So it could have been a blessing in disguise.
ReplyDeleteI still think Farva would say Punk is a petulant child.
ReplyDeleteHHHHHHHHH?!?! That's a keyboard full.
ReplyDeleteWhat about a BBBQ? The extra B is for BYOBB... sorry, love that joke.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I know some of Punk's bitterness was because how he was treated at WM27, but Punk still had other grievances to complain about, so he would have had to reword his pipebomb had he had done it during the buildup.
ReplyDeleteThere is no silver lining in a miz main event.
ReplyDeleteI've listened to his podcast three times now, and it makes me happier every time. I don't doubt all of his issues are true (Yes, I believe a disgruntled worker over his employer. Deal.) and as we see more talent get let go/leave over the next few years, this shit will all be repeated; It's no better a work environment then when everyone was blasted on coke and pills,and the creativity is so stagnate that mosquitoes breed in it.
ReplyDeleteHaven't watched the 'E since Summerslam. Support something else.
It's me, Austin! It was me ALL ALONG, Austin!
ReplyDelete"It's no better a work environment then when everyone was blasted on coke and pills,"
ReplyDeleteYou lost me right there. I mean seriously, they used to work like 27 days every month. Now it's usually 3-4 times a week, isn't it? to say it's as bad as the 80's is absurd.
Translation, he was gonna bitch about tons of things no matter what, lulz *rimshot*
ReplyDeleteThey probably made more money in the 80's.
ReplyDeleteGive them fucking insurance.
ReplyDeleteYes, then dropped dead 15 years later.
ReplyDeleteIs that insurance specifically for when they fuck?
ReplyDeleteDidn't exist in the 80s either. A lot of strides were made very recently.
ReplyDeleteYou are right about creativity. Vince needs to retire and stop rewriting Raw.
Well, in Punks case, it probably would have been a good precaution.
ReplyDeleteI wish Orton could have politiced that feud in the main event and they could have done the rock-miz-cena stuff in the mid card that year. What does rock care, it gets him on the plane sponer?.
ReplyDeleteI thought one of the reasons Punk didn't get the main event spot at WM 27 was that he mouthed off to the Undertaker about not wanting to be in dress clothes everytime he's out in public or something, and how Cena doesn't have to, so they kind of shunted him down the ladder for awhile, but I may have my dates wrong on that.
ReplyDeleteBut it was all their fault?
ReplyDelete"Dammit! Who put the question mark on the teleprompter?"
ReplyDeleteThat was in the fall of 09. He got kind of fucked up it didn't matter because he did the ses angle and it was better than everything else.
ReplyDeleteGoing back and rewatching some 09-10 wwe and its just shocking how much better punk was than everyone else.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't fuck up his WM27 spot, he fucked up his title reign when he mouth off to Taker.
ReplyDeleteHe owns the Rumble. Like, star-making, breakthrough, head-and-shoulders above everyone else performance.
ReplyDeleteHe's saying that the 80's wrestling lifestyle was better than it is now. Not even you can agree with that... Can you? Based on one misdiagnosis, where I fully agree that the doctor should be fired?
ReplyDeleteEvery little segment he was in just felt different and better.
ReplyDeleteI really think his big mouth/rebel attitude was his own worst enemy. I think that's truly what made WWE afraid of making him the absolute #1 guy. I think he's incredibly blessed to have been given such a big push, despite them not really trusting him.
ReplyDeleteNot just 09, but ever since Punk debuted in WWE he worked his ass off and was always determined to have the best match on the show. That kind of stopped when Daniel Bryan came into the promotion and Bryan decided he wanted to have the best match on every show.
ReplyDeleteWas that the one when he was on the mic and tossing dudes out?
ReplyDeleteAnd then you know who rained on his parade...
Honestly there are some parts that were better and some that our worse. The travel must be better, but the payouts and politics seem worse. Health might be a push.
ReplyDeleteHe stole the show in both the 2010 and 2011 Rumbles.
ReplyDeletePunk v. Miz v. Morrison at the 2007 survivor series. And Inn still wondering how Miz beat Punk to the WWE TITLE by a year.
ReplyDeleteI mentioned this yesterday, but in hindsight, I now find that part hilarious.
ReplyDeleteI'm a Punk guy through and through, but the main eventing Wrestlemania thing...he just wasn't there yet if Rock is on the card. I dunno...I also think the WWE messed up by not rebuilding around Punk and Bryan in the Hart/ HBK molds. Things are changing and they can't ride the Cena horse forever. I thini they need to scale back on Cena and have him wrestle once every 3 months months at something like the main event of Mania while they rebuild around a few younger guys.
ReplyDeleteIf there was one negative to the "pipe bomb" promo, it's that a lot of people forgot all of the amazing work he did BEFORE that promo.
ReplyDeleteHis feud with Jeff Hardy and his work with the "Straight Edge Society" were absolutely amazing.
The answer to this question is and always will be Austin.
ReplyDeleteWhere did I say the 80's lifestyle was better?
ReplyDeleteSES Punk is my favourite incarnation.
ReplyDeleteYeah a lot of wrestlers have tried to stand up for themselves and mouth off and try to be rebels, but in most of those cases, those wrestlers ended up getting punished/buried. It's understandable though, if a wrestler is going through the motions and being nice with little success and they see other guys getting what they want by being dicks they probably think they can try that too.
ReplyDeleteRight here.
ReplyDelete""It's no better a work environment then when everyone was blasted on coke and pills,"
The mention of cocaine basically implies the 80s.
ReplyDeleteI just want punk to give the list of divas he's fucked.
ReplyDeleteYou got 6 hours?
ReplyDeleteA year or two ago, absolutely, but I think the door has closed on that one. Sad.
ReplyDeleteNow, regardless of your opinion on how punk left and the podcast with colt, can't we all agree his promo where he challenged Jericho to give him a breathalyzer anytime was the real pipe bomb?
ReplyDeleteThe people who can't see Punk's side of things are people who have never been the best at what they do.
ReplyDeletebut, but, Austin was spotted doing 3 pushups last week. COULD THIS MEAN HE IS TRAINING FOR WRESTLEMANIA????
ReplyDeleteCena is going to be on top for a LONG time. Even when he's a part-timer, he's going over young stars at mania.
ReplyDeleteTUNE INTO NITRO TO FIND OUT!
ReplyDeleteWait, wrong running gag.
CHARLES IN CHARGE
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't understand is Austin always talks about working out on his podcast but has a HUGE gut on arsenio and that Wendy's commercial.
ReplyDeleteScott speaks the truth. I don't agree with Punk's notion that WrestleMania sells itself; there's a reason the three recent shows involving The Rock did great buyrates (29 fell below expectations but still did well) and 'Mania 26 headlined by Shawn/UT a year before Rocky's return did a relatively bad buyrate.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day, making money is the primary goal. You don't get rewarded for the quality of your work, you get rewarded for how much money you can make the company (and in fairness, Punk didn't get a 100% rocket push to prove how much money he could make, though he was still booked really well all things considered) on that night. If quality of work was the deciding factor, HHH should've been in the main event of WM 17, but he wasn't because it might've diluted interest in the main event. The same is true for Punk at 'Mania 29.
Beer. With all the gluten in there, he's lucky his dick doesn't fall off.
ReplyDeleteCan't say because that feud sort of bored me and I don't recall it too well.
ReplyDeleteI just now noticed Jobber's avatar. Well done.
ReplyDeleteI think he just lifts weights and doesn't work on his cardio. Plus he drinks a lot of beer,
ReplyDeleteFine, hyperbole then. It's better than the 80's...I mean, i'm sure not as many people are hooked on cocaine? And they only "suggest" that guys work hurt, back then they would have just fired you. That's a plus.
ReplyDeleteSo sure, we can say it Has gotten better.
Tons of people say "I like Cena the person, I just hate his character.".
ReplyDeleteJust for the record, I will say "I like Punk's character, I just hate the person."
Out of curiosity, do you think wrestling has ever been "good" by this definition? Wrestling has always been about sleazy promoters trying to bilk everyone of their money. WWE and Vince have been the best of a bad lot for some time.
ReplyDeleteComing to a BoD discussion...the day steve Austin's penis dropped off.
ReplyDeleteTotally disagree on that logic - the main-events of WM18 and WM25 weren't bad because of earlier matches, they were bad because they were bad. Dull, heatless matches with dull, heatless angles.
ReplyDeleteSavage/Steamboat didn't kill the heat for Hogan/Andre, Shawn/Razor didn't kill the heat for Bret/Yoko, TLC didn't kill the heat for Austin/Rock, etc.
Plus, while Cena/Rock definitely featured the biggest names, it's not like it was the hottest match. The build was limp, and the match itself featured a relatively dead crowd.
I can go with that.
ReplyDeleteApparently he was selling more merch than cena.
ReplyDeleteThat was just HH since he'd lost a lot of muscle mass by that point.
ReplyDeleteWasn't that for a short period in 2011? Mania 29 was in 2013.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I take back what I say kind of. When I say hottest matches, I ddon't mean matches with the highest star rating, but the match with the best/hottest build up.
ReplyDeleteIt was right until he turned heel in fall 2012.
ReplyDeletePunk beat him to a top title by two years. People forget Miz was really over in 2010
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the the wm18 and wm25 main events have anything in common other than being boring?
ReplyDeleteYou mean the best in the world
ReplyDeleteIs there some reason they can't buy insurance out of their six or seven figure a year salary?
ReplyDeleteYea and the main events of WM 18 and WM 25 died, so that's a pretty terrible example. The main events of WM 21 sucked too!
ReplyDeleteIs there some reason why WWE can't provide health insurance?
ReplyDeleteIts expensive and you're overestimating what they make?
ReplyDeletelol
ReplyDeleteI thought he turned heel at Raw 1000 in the summer. Anyway, I know that Punk said in the interview that he was selling more than Cena until he turned, but I remember reading in several places at the end of 2011 that Cena had overtaken Punk again. Maybe my memory's just failing me.
ReplyDeleteAnd even if he's right about the mercy sales, the summer of 2012 was still several months before WM 29, by which point he was well-established as the top heel.
Yea Im sure punk wouldnt have popped as big a buyrate as rock at any wrestlemania and I get wwe for not putting him in. But there have been alot of "stars" in the past that main evented it that werent on punks level IMO. So I understand both sides.
ReplyDeleteI blame the Miz demon girl. She probably put a curse on him that destroyed his career.
ReplyDeleteBut why would they give it to them? The wrestlers have little leverage and they can plug and play them more than ever now. The guys who most could afford to stand up wouldn't bc they're making too much. They'll be indep contractors for ever.
ReplyDeleteYou are the best at what you do. Or you were. You don't do it much anymore and might be washed up but I believe you've got one last great run in you dougie!
ReplyDeleteIt costs money and there is no need to. Ever go to a store an voluntarily pay more ? Same basic logic for the wwe.
ReplyDeleteVery few people will insure wrestlers. Lots of wrestlers in the 90s collected on insurance by having "career-ending" injuries before continuing their career because they're insane. Curt Hennig was a textbook example.
ReplyDeleteDo you expect them to do it for free? If they pay for insurance, their pay should go down. Some of you guys have the economics knowledge of 5yos.
ReplyDeleteI know why they won't give it to them. But its a dangerous sport and they should.
ReplyDeletePut me in the main event and The Rock in the midcard.
ReplyDeleteNo.
Okay.
While he's obviously not as talented as Punk, Miz was the more over of the two from some time in 2010 until the "pipe bomb".
ReplyDeleteThat's not health insurance.
ReplyDeleteYeah he totally thinks its free! You got him big Doug!
ReplyDeleteOnce the decision was made to run Rock/Cena at 29, Punk should have given up on main eventing until Mania 30 and taken all the time off he wanted after Wrestlemania 29.
ReplyDeleteThe WM21 match was disappointing but the build up was pretty good, which was the big reason the fans didn't die because they wanted to see Batista win.
ReplyDeleteI understand how the economy works, Dougie. No need to be condescending. We can have a normal well thought out conversation, so let's have one.
ReplyDeleteGiven how their wrestlers put themselves in harm's way four days a week, it's the least they could do. It's awful that they won't do it and I'm surprised Linda didn't give it to them when she ran for Senate.
He got two months off
ReplyDeleteWell I'm just saying he was making them money as a face
ReplyDeleteCena v. JBL was atrocious while HHH v. Batista was the wrong match
ReplyDeletePunk said In no uncertain terms he did not violate the stipulations of his contract
ReplyDeleteYeah that would have been terrible. Plus I'm pretty sure Rock had it in his contract to work the main event too because he might think it'd hurt his standing in Hollywood if he worked the middle of the card.
ReplyDelete'ONE... MORE... TROLL!!!"
ReplyDeleteWell except for the fact that he basically jobbed non-stop for a year. I think he went all of 2010 without a PPV victory.
ReplyDeleteI'm not even sure what point you're going for here. HE DOESN'T TALK TO PUNK.
ReplyDeletei have always felt they purposely told the 4 guys in those title matches to take it easy, so they could save the real barnburners for the future PPVs. Sort of, the title changing hands should be enough, let's save some for later.
ReplyDeleteI thought it was pretty well known that Punk was very banged up.
ReplyDeleteIf I can help:
ReplyDeleteHe's saying that even if he didn't talk to Punk, someone within the WWE inner circle should've known the story.
Only 5 wrestlers ended up getting the Lloyds deal.
ReplyDeleteI dont care if he was selling 5 times what Cena was selling, Punk isnt close to the star Cena or Rock is.
ReplyDeletePunk comes off in that podcast as this generations Bret Hart. Crying about Hulk Hogan, when he was never close to being a star of that magnitude....
OMG OMG HHH WAS IN THEM!
ReplyDeleteYeah I still don't get why he chose to come back so soon after WrestleMania 29 if he was in such rough shape. I know Vince gave Punk the "we need you, I'll owe you one" speech he'd gotten before so you'd think he would have smartened up and told them he needed to stay at home longer. Especially given his issues about being brought back to put over another part-timer. Listening to the podcast that's one thing that still confuses me. He listed all these reasons why he was disgruntled and hurting(putting over Rock, putting over Taker, not happy with his pay from WM29, being rushed back from injury several times before, being asked to come back to put over Lesnar) that it just doesn't make sense why he came back.
ReplyDeleteExcept rock wasn't even wrestling. He was just there as a host.
ReplyDeleteMain eventing Wrestlemania didn't exactly rocket King Kong Bundy, Bam Bam Bigelow, Sergeant Slaughter, Sycho Sid or The Miz into superstardom. It's not necessarily the be-all and end-all of a career, and Punks single minded obsession with it seems to genuinely blind him to the fact that he had a hugely successful career by any standard.
ReplyDeleteWhy should they though? Sure it's dangerous but no one forces anyone to wrestle. It's a choice and they know what they're signing up for. If you can run a business you keep all costs down to the extent possible
ReplyDeleteHGH... yeah, that makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI figured Scott would just no-sell this one, didn't expect a response a couple hours later.
I think the gap between Punk and Cena isn't quite as big as the gap between Hart and Hogan. Rock is far above both Punk and Cena, though.
ReplyDeleteTiming just hurt Punk. He reached his highest status as a star right when Rock returns after 7 years and decides to wrestle.
ReplyDeleteI think he's just a really stubborn fucker who wanted to come back and prove he was better. Especially when you listen to his story about the Lesnar pitch, where Vince was like "We want you to come back and work with Brock for Summerslam, where you'll lose and won't ever get your win back" and Punk was like "That's fucking stupid. But OK, whatever."
ReplyDeleteHis competitive nature got the better of him. A lot.
ReplyDeleteSociety would never let anything else treat its athletes that way. Its just that no one cares about wrestling. They should because the very nature of the sport is ruining their health. As a fan I don't care about Vince's bottom line as much as wrestler safety. Not sure why anyone else wouldn't too.
ReplyDeleteWill you be donating that million dollars now, sir?
ReplyDeleteTbf I don't think he said one bad thing about cena.
ReplyDeleteHe definitely seems like he got too stuck in this idea of "What would Harley Race do?" And also his goal of WrestleMania.
ReplyDeleteHis Harley Race mentality contributed to him agreeing to rush back from surgeries, work hurt, and try to make anything work. And his WrestleMania main event goal added to his bitterness towards the company.
"A top title" is not "THE top title."
ReplyDeleteFat pay day was probably the biggest part of it.
ReplyDeleteYes it is.
ReplyDeleteHe waaaaay more complained about Vince and Hunter(and the doc) than Cena.
ReplyDeleteAny issue he had was Cena was basically "I do the same stuff as him but they(Vince) doesn't publicize that I do it too" every mention of Cena seemed to be prefaced by "I like John"
Sports just have unions and more leverage frankly, nothing to do with society. And American sports fans are fickle - generally they pretend to care about health but don't. And honestly why should we? They're all adults conducting business as they wish with the associated risks. They're all compensated according to their fair market value.
ReplyDeleteNo.
ReplyDeleteCena is much more recognized outside of wrestling that Punk is. Punk just doesnt seem to be able to accept that...
ReplyDeleteNever said he said anything bad about Cena, but pointing out that he is selling more merch doesnt mean he is a WM headliner...
ReplyDeleteAnd came back still fucked up.
ReplyDeleteI think he knows how successful he was.
ReplyDeletePunk selling more mercy than cena doesn't mean he's a headliner? So what would?
ReplyDeleteHe seems to forget that he is in a worked sport....
ReplyDeleteReally? I think he made it very clear it was about being the very best at that worked sport, not about actually holding the title and winning the most
ReplyDeleteIf you fulfill the criteria set forth by management (get over, sell merch) and you don't receive the rewards (big contract, time off, main events), you can get upset. I'm not saying he was 100% in the right, but given how the Summer of Punk became the Autumn of Kliq, I see his frustration.
ReplyDeleteThey ALL do.
ReplyDeleteYep, I think it was just bad timing that the 2nd PPV after Mania was in Chicago. So he probably felt even more pressure to come back. Too bad he couldn't just do a "one night only return", then take a few more months off.
ReplyDeleteSomething was seriously wrong with his hair at that point too, as if he stopped using conditioner.
ReplyDeleteHe brought up a good point that by losing to all the part-timers, it would lead in a decrease of his stock. Pretty much keeping him in the same position and beneath those guys.
ReplyDeleteI get WWE not giving Punk a chance but I don't understand how Miz did.
ReplyDeleteRemember that kick ass match with Michaels on Raw where he had an afro by the end?
ReplyDeleteHe's not much now, but he did work his ass off in 2009-2010. He did go a long way.
ReplyDeleteI read that as someone sighing really emphatically. Which is exactly what I did whenever he was on screen back then.
ReplyDeleteSelling houseshows would.
ReplyDeleteBecause REAL WORLD. Mcmahon probably thought he could open doors as some kind of main stream star.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair I did agree with giving it the old college try with the Miz.
Problem is he hadn't developed any more since 2010.
ReplyDeleteHey, does CM Punk have a stunt double? I THINK NOT! [/argument]
ReplyDeleteAnd, as such, he's found his home as a smarmy midcard heel who knows how to help others get over. That's fine - we can't all be main eventers.
ReplyDeleteWe are probably getting CM Sandow tomorrow night.
ReplyDeleteCM Punk had momentum as being the leader of the biggest stable at that time. I remember reading dirtsheets saying that he was going to do a long program with Cena only for it to be his Rumble feud.
ReplyDeleteMaybe 3 months ago, when he was doing random imitations, but now he's 100% Mizdow for sure.
ReplyDeleteActually, Wade Barrett was the leader of the biggest stable at that time. CM Punk basically hijacked his spot wholesale.
ReplyDeleteWell, duh he was but it didn't matter. Punk had taken over that spot and he was closing out RAWs every week with Cena. Something Miz wasn't even doing while champion.
ReplyDeleteWhich really set Punk off since he was the hottest heel in the company as the Nexus leader.
ReplyDeleteMiz was, shockingly, not given a chance because he wasn't with Cena. And then, when he WAS with Cena, Rock showed up and buried both of them. (His promo when he's introduced as host is a textbook example of how to leave money on the table. He talks about how both Miz and Cena are less than worthy of being the Mania main event - before the Mania main event was technically set in stone.)
ReplyDelete"I'm so bad ass I wear a leather jacket... over a jean jacket"
ReplyDeleteSelling merch alone doesnt mean ya put asses in the seats. Zach Ryder moved merch, doesnt mean he should even be on the preshow....
ReplyDeleteMiz was with Orton, who was white hot at the time. Top 2 guys were Cena and Orton and Punk was working with Cena until suddenly the two switched roles. Miz was never given a chance but he didn't deliver either.
ReplyDeleteVery well said. =)
ReplyDeleteThan why is he sitting there complaining about what others are getting and getting upset for having to put over bigger stars?
ReplyDeleteFrom what Punk said on the show, I think there were two other factors in play:
ReplyDelete1) Lack of a stated follow-up program following the Lesnar and Taker stories. It sounds like even saying, "Do this for us and rest up until the summer" before the Mania match might have at least placated Punk enough for them to develop something.
2) Telling Punk he was in "the main event" without paying him main event money. If that holds up, bullshitting the guy was only going to make things worse if they truly intended to keep him.
Punk's problem is he wants the company run the way he wants to see it run. While I agree with him that some(most of it in my opinion) stuff they do makes no sense, in the end it is their company and nothing he says or does will change that...
ReplyDeleteI remember watching how legit cool Hall and Nash were back in the day and then on Raw, HHH was always trYing sooooooooo hard to appear cool but failing miserably (with Shawn, or even after with DX). Of course history is rewritten and HHH was the coolest guy ever that won the war
ReplyDeleteHis issue was those guys aren't going to be here "on Monday" so it doesn't help the actual product or his own stock to constantly lose to part-timers.
ReplyDeleteHe was off a lot of his "pharmaceuticals" to get Steph pregnant at the time.
ReplyDelete"Punk's problem is he wants the company run the way he wants to see it run."
ReplyDeleteDon't we all? I mean, the #1 thing I seem to see in Raw recaps is "I didn't like this idea, so it was objectively bad."
Do you mean for Mania 27? Look, that match was about Rock vs. Cena. Miz was simply a means to setup the Rock vs. Cena Mania 28 match that was locked in the next night.
ReplyDeletePunk still wouldn't have liked being an afterthought.
As jobber said, the payday was a factor, no doubt. But it's also worth pointing out that the goal of a Mania main event has been not only a talking point within the E's documentaries, but guys like Austin talk about it as the target.
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