Monday Nitro #208
Date: October 4, 1999
Location:
Kemper Arena, Kansas City, Missouri
Attendance: 6,942
Commentators: Tony
Schiavone, Bobby Heenan
Reviewed by Tommy Hall
We're getting closer to
Halloween Havoc but tonight we take a detour into something that is
actually special. Less than five months earlier, Owen Hart passed
away in this same arena. His brother Bret wanted to do something
special for him, and that's what we're getting on this show. Let's
get to it.
The announcers hype up
the main events, because those promises have held up so much
recently.
Rey Mysterio Jr. vs.
Dean Malenko
This
starts after a way too early break. Malenko quickly flips Mysterio
to the floor and grabs a legbar back inside. Rey pops to his feet
and speeds things WAY up for a nice counter sequence, capped off with
Malenko throwing him into the air but eating a dropkick on the way
back down. A hot shot is countered but Rey bounces backwards into a
hurricanrana for two. That was AWESOME and even Malenko has to give
Mysterio credit.
To change the subject a
bit, Tony casually mentions that Psychosis beat Lenny Lane for the
Cruiserweight Title over the weekend. That's code for “it turns
out Turner Broadcasting didn't like having a shock value gimmick like
over the top incestuous brothers on a show with falling ratings”.
The title match never happened of course but Psychosis does get to
defend tonight against Disco Inferno. Of course since this title
means nothing, it's throw in as a sidebar in this match. You know,
the match that COULD BE FOR THE TITLE instead of just being part of
the Revolution vs. Filthy Animals feud over absolutely nothing.
Back
to the match, Malenko gets two off a German suplex and cranks on the
leg. That goes nowhere so Dean is thrown to the floor for a big dive
from Rey. They head inside again and Rey loads up the yet to be
named West Coast Pop, only to have Malenko catch him in a kind of
powerbomb to set up the Cloverleaf.
Ropes are grabs and
Mysterio counters tilt-a-whirl slam into a kind of cross body. They
get back up and hit a double clothesline but Mysterio sells it more
like a Boss Man Slam for an odd looking crash. Cue Shane Douglas
with a chain but Saturn runs down and steals it from him. Saturn
stares Douglas down with the chain but hits Mysterio instead,
allowing Dean, who didn't seem to see what happened, to put on the
Cloverleaf for the win.
Rating:
C+.
Really good start to the match here until we had to get Shane Douglas
involved. It looks like the Revolution is starting to splinter,
which makes good enough sense given that they have nothing else going
for them. They have yet to recover from that disaster at Fall Brawl
so why not just turn them heel from the inside?
Dean sees the replay on
the screen and isn't happy with Saturn.
Tony tells us about the
New Year's Evil pay per view on December 27, which wasn't on New
Year's, wasn't on New Year's Eve, wasn't evil and never wound up
happening.
Video on Bret, talking
about Owen and his death.
Cruiserweight Title:
Disco Inferno vs. Psychosis
Tony
brings up the hiring of Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara, who will be
chatting on WCW.com later this week. And so it begins. By it I mean
the bizarre choices, such as allowing fans to talk to writers. Why
would fans care about something like that? Picture this back in
1988: “Yes fans this coming Wednesday, you can call in and talk to
the booker!”
Psychosis
is defending after being awarded the title in a phantom title change
over the weekend. The new champ starts fast and knocks Disco out to
the floor with a baseball slide, setting up a big dive over the top.
Back in and Disco gets a boot up in the corner, followed by a
swinging neckbreaker for two.
You
know Disco isn't smart enough to make that last though and charges
into an elbow from Psychosis. Well at least they're consistent. A
top rope hurricanrana gets two for Psychosis but Disco pops back up,
only to dive into a spinwheel kick. The guillotine legdrop misses
and Disco hits the Chartbuster to win the title out of nowhere.
Rating:
D+.
I'll spare you the obvious question of why they even bothered with
Psychosis in the first place and get to the better question of why
Disco. He's still a glorified comedy character whose best matches
usually get a response of “you know, he doesn't suck as much as I
thought.” You have Kidman, Guerrera, Mysterio, Malenko and even
Psychosis to put the belt on but instead we get someone like Disco.
Oh and just after he
wins the title, we IMMEDIATELY cut to an ad for Mayhem.
Sid is on the phone. I
smell shenanigans.
The
Outsiders come down the stands with drinks in hand. This would be
Nash's first appearance since August and Hall's first since.....I
think March? Heenan asks where they've been and Hall says they've
been at the party down there. Nash is retired, which Hall describes
as “working a requirement angle”. They'll be back and put the
band back together once the locker room is fun again. This comes off
as more of Russo's “WE'RE SHOOTING” stuff that is interesting for
about five minutes and then turns into a big mess with the fans
asking “can't we just watch wrestling?”
Sid
Vicious vs. Brian Adams
Adams
is out of the KISS gimmick but still has the Demon pants on. He
hammers Sid from behind to start and scores with a suplex. Naturally
Sid isn't going to sell that so Adams clotheslines him over the top
and out to the floor. Back in and Sid ducks his head, allowing Adams
to hit a quick jumping piledriver. Of course Robinson can't count
because Rick Steiner runs out and helps with the beating. Adams
fights Sid off and tilt-a-whirl slams Steiner, only to have Sid come
back in for a double powerbomb and a fast count. That makes Sid
120-0, though Adams got in WAY more offense than most people do
against Sid.
Jerry Flynn vs.
Goldberg
During
the entrances, we go split screen so Sid can rant about his car.
Flynn rakes the eyes to start and is promptly kicked right in the
face. A pumphandle slam drops Jerry again as the rest of the First
Family comes out for a distraction. Goldberg is knocked outside to
get beaten on for a bit (why isn't this just a three on one handicap
match to make this move faster? Oh right: because WCW is stupid
enough to put Morrus and Knobbs in the Tag Team Title hunt instead of
ANYONE ELSE), including a whip into the steps.
Morrus adds an elbow
from the apron and even the referee can't be bothered to care about
these two schmucks. The referee sends them to the back, allowing
Goldberg to counter a cross armbreaker and hit the two moves for the
win. You know, people remember these two fighting a lot but it
really didn't happen all that often. They only fought four times on
Nitro in nearly two years, with a year and a half in between two of
them. Goldberg and Morrus had at least three matches so it's not a
huge stretch.
Goldberg promises to
destroy Sid.
Brad Armstrong tells
Berlyn to speak English, end of scene.
Here's
Harlem Heat for a chat about their upcoming title defense against
Brian Knobbs and Hugh Morrus. There's so much wrong with that idea
that I don't even know where to start. The match is going to be on
like a pot of neckbone, but Booker has to stop for a Wolfpack chant.
He tells the Outsiders that they're not getting the belts but the
First Family comes out for a brawl. Knobbs hits Booker in the head
with a chair and Morrus gets Stevie down for No Laughing Matter. The
First Family leaves with the belts. As usual, decent story,
completely wrong cast.
Nitro Girls search
time. Baltimore can't get here soon enough.
Goldberg gets in his
car and leaves. I'm sure this won't go badly for Sid whatsoever.
Benoit says he misses
Owen and brings up getting his start in Stampede Wrestling. They're
really making this feel special tonight.
Brad Armstrong vs.
Curt Hennig
Hennig
chops away in the corner but gets hiptossed and dropkicked out to the
floor. Back in and Hennig chops the skin off Brad's chest but walks
into a pair of atomic drops. The Rednecks come in but eat right
hands, only to have the Germans come out for a distraction. The
bodyguard nails Brad in the back of the head, sending him right into
the HennigPlex for the pin. It really took FIVE PEOPLE to beat Brad
Armstrong? That's seriously what we're going with here?
The Germans beat
Armstrong up again post match.
Mysterio goes into the
showers to get Kidman for his match. Kidman comes out and Torrie
Wilson follows him. Rey looks impressed.
Sid gives the attendant
his car keys. Why the same attendant works in two different cities
isn't explained.
Juventud Guerrera
vs. Kidman
Here's
another match that could be for the Cruiserweight Title. They trade
forearms to start until Kidman suplexes him down for two. A Stunner
on the top rope drops Kidman as the announcers talk about Kidman and
Torrie in the shower. Kidman suplexes Juvy to the floor and adds a
dropkick as he gets back inside. Juvy comes back with a DDT out of a
fireman's carry and drops a People's Elbow. I had forgotten about
the Juvy Rock phase. Juvy says he knows our role as we take a break.
Back with Kidman
charging into an elbow but snapping off a powerslam (very common move
no matter what size people are) for two. Juvy waves Psychosis down
but misses a plancha and takes Psychosis down instead of Kidman.
That's fine with Kidman, who runs to the top and dives onto both
guys. This isn't as good as it sounds though as they're just doing
spots without the energy that made their old matches so good.
Back in again and
Kidman dropkicks him out of the air but Juvy counters a powerbomb
(double gimmick infringement!) into a Juvy Driver attempt, which is
countered into a suplex, which is countered into a bulldog from
Guerrera. The 450 misses and Kidman hits a Sky High but has to go
after Psychosis again. Cue Mysterio to argue with Psychosis, but the
distraction lets Juvy hit the Driver off the top for the pin.
Rating:
C+.
This was more about advancing the feud between the Animals and the
loose stable of luchadors, which isn't really going anywhere as
Psychosis isn't quite the same level as the other three. Granted he
might have gotten closer to that spot had they just let him stay
Cruiserweight Champion but that might make too much sense.
Juvy and Psychosis get
beaten down post match.
Sid has his assistant
park his car in Goldberg's parking space.
Bret Hart vs. Chris
Benoit
Both are faces here and
Benoit's TV Title isn't on the line. Harley Race does the intros to
make this really special. Bret grabs a headlock to start before they
fight over a top wristlock. Hart holds the ropes to avoid a monkey
flip but Benoit nips up before Bret can do anything. Very technical
so far. Chris bridges out of a test of strength and wraps Bret’s
arms across his own throat to get a breather.
A hammerlock has Bret
on the mat and the fans chant for Owen. Off to a double arm crank on
Hart but Bret reverses into one of his own. Thankfully Bret is
actually holding Chris’ wrists unlike Scott Hall who would be
keeping himself in the hold whenever that was reversed. Benoit flips
out with a dropkick to the chest but gets caught in a Russian
legsweep to put him down again.
We hit the chinlock
from Hart followed by a hard knee to the ribs to drop Chris one more
time. A DDT sets up the middle rope elbow for two for Hart but Benoit
grabs a rollup for two. He doesn’t let go of the legs though and
turns it into a Boston crab. Bret is quickly in the ropes but gets
caught in a backbreaker for two as we take a break.
Back with Benoit
getting two off something we didn’t see but Bret comes back with
the headbutt to the lower abdomen. A snap suplex sets up a chinlock
by the Hitman as things settle down a bit. Another backbreaker puts
Benoit on the mat and Bret rams him into the apron. Back in and
Benoit spins out of another backbreaker and hits a jumping tombstone
for two. A northern lights suplex gets another two for Chris and he
fires off the headbutts.
Benoit stomps away in
the corner but Bret holds the ropes to avoid a dropkick and a few
elbows get two. Bret charges but his cross body hits the ropes to
send him outside. Chris hits a big dive through the ropes to put both
guys down and we take our second break. Back again with both guys
rolling each other up for two followed by Bret stomping away in the
corner. They trade rollups for two each again until Bret nails a
swinging neckbreaker.
A superplex puts Benoit
down but he counters the Sharpshooter into the Crossface but Bret is
right next to the ropes. Chris rolls some vertical suplexes and calls
for the Swan Dive. He goes to the furthest corner and nails the
headbutt for a slightly delayed two. The fans chant for Bret and he
comes back with an elbow to the jaw. A piledriver gets two on Benoit
as he puts his foot on the ropes.
Benoit gets to do
Bret’s chest first bump into the corner but comes out with some
hard chops. Bret tries a clothesline but gets caught in the Rolling
Germans. The Crossface is blocked and they go to the mat with Bret
maneuvering his legs so that he stands up in the Sharpshooter. The
fans freak out over that awesome trap by Bret and Benoit has to give
up.
Rating:
A. This was an excellent wrestling match. Bret worked over the back
to set up the Sharpshooter and Benoit tried everything he knew but at
the end of the day it was Bret winning with a counter to Benoit’s
best hold and a very smooth move into the Sharpshooter. That’s
exactly what it was supposed to be and it was more than an awesome
match. The crowd respected it too. This is the last great match that
WCW had and the last time Bret was actually motivated in a wrestling
ring. If you haven't seen this one before, go check it out to see
what great wrestling can do.
Race gets in the ring
and everyone hugs and poses before walking out together.
Gene
calls out Flair and Hogan, who thankfully come out one at a time.
Hogan has to limp down because of the knee injury from last week.
They praise each other and my stomach is starting to churn. Hogan
says Flair is the best of all time and Flair wants to join
Hulkamania. Tonight, Hogan wants to see Flair style and profile.
It's a bad sign when modern day TNA pays better attention to
character development and history than this company does.
Sid is in the empty
parking space. “I've got him now.”
Diamond Dallas Page
vs. Buff Bagwell
Bagwell
mocks Page's catchphrases to start, saying he's going to two time,
two time, two time beat Page down. Page charges right into a
clothesline to start and gets dropkicked out to the floor. Back in
and Page can't hook a powerbomb but does kick Buff low to take over
again. A low elbow sets up a stomping in the corner and we hit the
chinlock. With his offense running low, Bagwell lands another
clothesline and his swinging neckbreaker. Page avoids the
Blockbuster though and floats over Bagwell into the Diamond Cutter
for the fast pin.
A
kid is looking at a window when a horse flies up. Dustin Rhodes is
dressed all in black and that's it.
Hulk Hogan/Ric Flair
vs. Sting/Total Package
Tony
even has to acknowledge the fans cheering for Sting. Hogan has a big
brace on his knee but is fine from last week's attack otherwise.
It's a brawl to start with Sting and Hogan heading outside while the
others fight inside. Hogan is whipped into the barricade as Luger
and Flair fight outside.
Tony keeps calling
Total Package Luger because it's such a stupid name change. I can't
even say gimmick change because it's literally the same guy with a
different name. Things settle down with Sting stomping on Flair in
the corner but missing a dropkick. As usual, there's nothing about
Sting that would make you think he's a heel. Sting slams him off the
top and it's off to Luger for a powerslam.
Back to Sting for a
chinlock as the fans chant for Hogan. Notice how he keeps moving
around on the apron. This is something the bigger stars usually do
and you can see Cena do it today. You can do so much to keep a crowd
into things while standing on the apron. Pace up and down, reach for
tags, shout encouragement. Let the fans know that you CARE about
what's going on at the moment.
Luger prevents a tag to
Hogan and Sting gorilla presses Flair down again. A running splash
hits knees though and it's finally off to Hogan. We go old school
with right hands and a double noggin knocker, followed by a double
clothesline to put both villains down. Page runs in and gets sent
into Luger, who blindly Racks him. Hogan hits the big boot and
legdrop to pin Sting. Seeing him hug Flair is just wrong on so many
levels.
Rating:
D+.
Standard main event tag here with the champ getting pinned to add to
the pay per view match's build. This is wrestling booking 101, but
it's still really uninteresting stuff. Seeing these four guys
fighting while I could be watching the rise of HHH and Rock near or
at his peak and the tag teams tearing the house down really doesn't
appeal to me and that seemed to be the opinion of the masses.
Sid goes to his parking
space and finds his car crushed into a metal block. If this is
supposed to make me watch the match, go back to Charles Robinson
needing counting lessons.
Overall
Rating: B.
By far and away the best show they've had in a long time, though most
of that is due to the awesome Bret vs. Benoit match. The rest of the
show certainly isn't bad though as a lot of the bad matches were kept
short. The Sid vs. Goldberg battle of the garage stuff is getting
REALLY old just two weeks in. I'm actually not sure how Sid's plan
made sense and I assure you it wasn't much clearer on screen. I
guess it was supposed to be Goldberg's car but someone made a switch?
This shouldn't be so complicated. Anyway, best show in months if
not years here, but it feels like a one off improvement.
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Bret VS Beniot should have main evented, but that's nit picking I guess.
ReplyDeleteLooking back, especially when watching an episode like this, it seems there was so much potential to turn WCW around and building the company around top notch wrestlers like Hart, Beniot, Guerrero, Malenko, Rey Jr etc while throwing in some older guys who could still go alright like Flair and Sting as well as your big attractions like Goldberg.
WHYYYYY MEEEEEEEEEE?????
ReplyDeleteLess than 7000 in Kemper, you know shit was going downhill at that point.
ReplyDeleteKinda like WWE today.
ReplyDeletePicture this back in
ReplyDelete1988: “Yes fans this coming Wednesday, you can call in and talk to
the booker!”
Well, wrestling had changed quite a bit since 1988.
There's a lot wrong with Halloween Havoc 99 (Hogan laying down and having Goldberg crush Sting in seconds) but the company actually get their act together on a slight revival after this leading into Mayhem and Starcade before it all goes tits up yet again at that event.
ReplyDeleteThey get the belt on Hart (which is a good idea) in a logical title tournament and build to Hart/Goldberg - which is the most logical Main Event after running through Sting/Goldberg like idiots at HH.
They turn Sting face again which had to happen...even if it was against Luger.
And after plenty of hotshotting they get the US Title back on who it should be (Benoit).
Unfortunately they ruin all this in the Starcade Main event and the night after.
Monumental match that doesn't get anywhere near the love and attention it deserves today. But, I guess enough people had tuned away from Nitro by this point that any classic matches were bound to get ignored. A real shame, getting my closure in the Goldberg / Jerry Flynn feud was a moment I'll never forget.
ReplyDeleteJesus H. Christ, Nitro gave away ppv-worthy matches on a seemingly weekly basis.
ReplyDeleteThe Title tournament was still Russofied to all hell. Madusa wrestling in multiple groups and being eliminated each time, a confusing Bret Hart VS Goldberg match that was a tournament match, but randomly made a Ladder match for the US title as well, and none of the matches really going longer than 5 minutes and being full of the usual Russo run-in/DQ/ref interference shenanigans.
ReplyDeleteThey probably got the Final 4 right for Mayhem with Beniot, Sting, Jarrett and Hart with Hart and Beniot headlining, but yea, then Starrcade happened with a Montreal screwjob (and sadly that wasn't even the last time it was used!) and then another nWo revival which lead to Russo being turfed, Sullivan taking over again and then the Radicalz fleeing to the WWE as a result of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN9fHMY76io
ReplyDeleteThat's pretty accurate.
ReplyDeleteFair enough, probably the best gimmick ever made. Even in reality era his character still fits.
ReplyDeleteselling out the stadium won't be that big of a problem. it's WrestleMania, they could very likely fill that stadium without any announced match.
ReplyDeletelol. Speaking of no replay value. Witness: ECW in general.
ReplyDeleteWhich is fine. Some of the best movies are like that too
ReplyDeleteI'd go low top ten for the reasons you've stated plus ridiculous longevity. Even taking away these last five years that's a long ass career.
ReplyDeleteNo one here works for WWE, so your assessment is fair.
ReplyDeleteNikki Bella has everything down!
ReplyDeleteNot trying to diminish the match, but I think the match main falling point is that it didn't really do much to build Shawn as the next big star as it was mainly Shawn working a Bret style match rather than Bret trying to make Shawn look good by working his style of match.
ReplyDeleteI'd let her give me AIDS
ReplyDeleteHe's in my personal top 10 because I'm a lifelong fan. But objectively? Somewhere in the Top 20.
ReplyDeleteHe has probably 4/5 ***** star matches in his career.
ReplyDeleteTop 20 guy, great gimmick, long career, plenty of good stuff that was silly to epic, lots of good and great matches but probably not as good as his legend will be remembered for.
ReplyDeleteHe and Jericho are my favorites, but realistically top 20 is perfect.
ReplyDeleteTake Shawn Michaels out of the equation and he probably has none.
ReplyDeleteTop 10; he's never been of my favorite guys. And the mark in me was pissed his garbage with Kane was clogging up the main event scene in 98 and Austin lost the belt.
ReplyDeleteI wish Shawn was healthy and/or not a bitch for a re-match in '97. Do another IronMan, but this time it's got multiple falls because THIS TIME IT'S PERSONAL and they are going balls-out. Do like a 5-4 finish this time, with both dudes breaking rules, taking DQs, etc. Same hour duration, but different story to tell
ReplyDeleteHe's got a LOT of **** matches though. I'm good with anywhere between 7 and 15 abouts for him.
ReplyDelete>100 Million Homes
ReplyDelete>12-14 million viewers a week for Raw & Smackdown
That CNBC spot was pure McFantasy.
I can put Jericho in my Top 10 too no issue.
ReplyDeleteThat's kinda high.
ReplyDeleteI'll put the motherfucker at 1 if I want!
ReplyDeleteIt's because Reigns is a guy who *CAN'T* show us he's a big deal. He's a terrible promo. He's not that good in the ring. His finishers aren't all that impressive. Hell, he's actually regressed. His Rumble 2014 performance was so much better than his Rumble 2015 performance.
ReplyDeleteSo WWE is trying to TALK about how great he is in order to compensate for his abilities. I'm not sure even Heyman can pull that off.
I like his first Kane match, I like more than Austin/HBK.
ReplyDeleteThat first Kane match was epic. Love that.
ReplyDeleteHHH, Foley.
ReplyDelete**** in my book, I like how it took 3 tombstones to take out Kane.
ReplyDeleteThat could work as that was one of the big draws for WM12 with the Warrior.
ReplyDeleteI just rewatched all the Foley matched and I'd put them in four star range at best.
ReplyDeleteWhat's the definitive list of great taker matches? I'm talking the best of the best matches he's had?
ReplyDeleteThe two manias vs shawn and the 97 hitc for sure
The UK match with Bret I've never seen from the Shawn vs Davey show (they just switched the version on the network from the home video to the ppv broadcast so I'm gonna see it soon)
The 06 no way out angle match. The one vs punk. The Batista match was really good and blew away expectations but I wouldn't call it an all time classic. What was takers best match with edge?
Top 5. Greatest big man ever.
ReplyDeleteI'm pissed that the Suns have either traded, or let walk away every favorite player of mine over the past 10 years. Nash. Amar'e. The Matrix. Barbosa. Diaw. And now Goran Dragic.
ReplyDeleteAnd it always made them worse.
And he was still up before Undertaker and attacking him again.
ReplyDeleteJR was damn near flawless in that match.
Can someone please fill me in about the crowd reaction for Sting? Any new revelations since yesterday?
ReplyDelete*cof cof* Vader!
ReplyDeleteIt was half of the reaction that the Tony Mamaluke vs. Jason Cross match from 2002 NWA-TNA received
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=761&page=10&sortby=colRating&sorttype=DESC
ReplyDeleteTGGI
ReplyDelete(This Goodman Gets It)
WM24 main event or Summerfest 08 for Edge.
ReplyDeleteI think there comes a point where that child grows up, and looks for more depth in that which entertains them. Looking back at the eras of wrestling you see actual change in the product which served to add something new, or another layer. Whether it was a hot new star, or an improvement in athleticism, an embracing of soap opera storytelling, an escalation in violence, or an increase in sex appeal.
ReplyDeleteWhat WWE has done is taken many of those elements and synthesized them into a bland "Best Of" mixture which they haven't changed now for over a decade. Kids lose interest after awhile, we dinosaurs become increasingly disgruntled, and the vast middle sees wrestling as this ugly mish-mash of nonsense.
Unless wrestling gets a complete makeover to accompany it, the next big star or angle isn't going to return wrestling to the pop culture heights of previous hot periods.
Selling 100,000+ tickets (a sellout would be like 110,000) is absolutely a problem. That's still 30-40k above their usual Mania crowd. That's a big deal.
ReplyDeleteYou've been doing a lot of "gonna call it right now"-ing.
ReplyDeleteVader is a close 2nd but I still have UT over him.
ReplyDeleteDon't see it with either, but I respect your opinion.
ReplyDeleteGenerous. He benefited from the most protective booking ever and the best built-in gimmick, in the Streak. As we are seeing now, taking away the facade of the Streak exposes him as Just A Guy. He did a great job with what could have been a very 80s cartoon gimmick. He benefited from working with the Harts, Michaels, Angles of the world and accumulating enough high profile matches to make him seem important in retrospect. Worked good matches with big guys (Vader, Batista), technicians (Hart, Angle), and could do main event style with the huge stars (Austin, Rock, Hogan). I see him as a HHH type: he works with the guy who draws the money. And there is nothing wrong with that, because he made that work for a couple decades. He was interesting in 1990-91 as a Hogan monster heel. He was harmless from 1992 to 97 as a babyface upper-card guy who existed in his own world. He did well in the main event with Bret, Shawn, Mick, Austin from 97-99. Worthless as tits on a boar from 2000 to 2006, when he reinvented himself somewhat with Angle. Then it was all Streak all the time and his Streak gimmick made him a draw for the first time.
ReplyDeleteJust like a Muta scale for color, we need to have a Sting scale for crowd reaction.
ReplyDeleteHe and Batista have insane chemistry, I like the cage match they had.
ReplyDeleteThe matches with Orton are underrated.
Excellent idea, Shelton!
ReplyDeleteTop 5????? Hogan, Austin, Bruno, Michaels, Flair, Rock, Cena in no particular order are right there.
ReplyDeleteIt was half the crowd reaction of the Jerry Lawler/Terry Fuck empty arena match.
ReplyDeleteAngle in 2006
ReplyDeleteNo problem.
ReplyDeleteMost of his stuff with HBK
ReplyDeleteI think it's an issue with the dynamic resolution algorithm they use. It's just a totally unuseable service right now.
ReplyDeleteFoley? *****?
ReplyDeleteA good match that people forget, Diesel/Taker at WM XII.
ReplyDeleteI personally prefer the summerfest bout but both are great. So that's like 8. I know he's had more. Is that rumble match where Shawn killed his back great? I can't remember at all.
ReplyDeleteI forgot about the random great Big Show match!
ReplyDelete"PS - Please find enclosed a sexy picture of Seth Rollins naked, just because"
ReplyDeleteMy only gripe with the Benoit Hart match was that Heenan was still heeling out on commentary. Wrong match for that. He should have taken a break.
ReplyDeleteI don't know Thomas, by October 1999 I was already sick of Triple H and I wasn't fond of The Rock
ReplyDeleteI checked the Smackdown SPOILERS. I'm not sure this indicates for certain what Bryan's WM angle is at this time. Something is indeed fishy here. http://www.lordsofpain.net/reports/wwe/smackdown/LIVE_SPOILERS_FOR_THIS_WEEK_S_WWE_SMACKDOWN_2_26_15.html
ReplyDeleteWE should have known something was up Monday when Heyman brought up how Reigns would have hit more home runs than Bonds or McGwire..Ran faster than Ben Johnson...
ReplyDeleteEither way, if this rumor gains steam, and Reigns did fail the test, Vince is going to have to pull him. Every microscope will come down on Vince, even if this rumor becomes an issue. WWE should go on record as soon as it is feasible and show proof that this didn't happen, if it didn't happen. This, again, is only if the rumor picks up enough steam.
ReplyDeleteDid he really say Ben Johnson??
ReplyDeleteNo I was joking around.
ReplyDeleteHa. Fell for it.
ReplyDeleteIT was a rather over the top promo heyman was forced to read and might as well have gone that far.
ReplyDeleteThis being said of the...70 year old man HGHed to the gills on the cover of a magazine right now
ReplyDeleteIn my fantasy version of wwe Brock shows up for WM disgruntled and no sells all of Reigns' offence and makes Reigns tap within the first 2 minutes of the match to an armbar and the ref refused to stop it because "it's not in the script" and the whole thing ends in a confusing mess with egg on the wwe's face.
ReplyDelete* The policy that has never Randy Orton hit the 3 strike limit?
ReplyDeleteI could see that quite easily, actually.
ReplyDeleteIt's dead issue anyway, since the guy's not headed back to MMA, but what you're saying would have prevented the UFC from signing a pro wrestler AND would assume the UFC has a squeaky clean image when it comes to PEDs in the first place, which is hilarious.
ReplyDeleteThose poor Nigerian princes are so misunderstood.
ReplyDeleteReigns just came back from a major injury of course he cheated to recover faster.
ReplyDeleteThis is such bullshit. Sources of mine say that the real thing that went down was that Vince told Brock he wanted him to resign, Brock said "Sorry, I'm not interested" to which Vince than put out a blank check and said "Sign it you JOCK ASS!!!".....
ReplyDeleteBrock's Scottish?
ReplyDeleteI hope Curtis Axel's music hits when they announce it's time for the main event at Wrestlemania.
ReplyDelete...and then what? It's fine to leave if he wants to work Japan or do UFC or something. Being "the guy" isn't all that it is cracked up to be and, if I were Bryan, I'd do it until I wasn't happy, too injured to wrestle, or felt the work environment was dangerous.
ReplyDeleteIf this match were 10-20 years ago you could add "The Spoiler" as guest referee.
ReplyDeleteYeah, this isn't true.
ReplyDeleteHe should use the Perfectplex but call it the 2.4.
ReplyDeleteMy sources tell me it was the other way around
ReplyDeleteWe're getting so close to Russo! Aaaaargh I'm so excited!
ReplyDeleteReally? All they indicate to me is that they have no plans and are spinning their wheels
ReplyDeleteThis could KIND OF be considered a business issue.
ReplyDeleteMike Johnson has that WWE has officially responded that this is 100% untrue.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes them bush league is that Hardy is still with the company.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who recently sat through every single Nitro from 99-2001, I can say that is definitely false. In the early days hell yeah, 95 to mid 99 is some great stuff on a weekly basis. There was literally like an 8 month period in 2000 though where not a single TV match got 10 minutes or more and GOOD LUCK finding a clean finish. Painful.
ReplyDeleteExactly, regardless of both of them being 'past their prime', the 'icon vs icon' match will draw I am sure, and once that finishes, both of them can retire. Taker goes over Sting, Sting gets a marquee mania match, and Taker gets to go out the way he should go out.
ReplyDeleteGoldberg injuring Bret really fucked up their last good "What If?" If nWo Bret stays healthy, they could have done matches with Flair, Hogan, Sting, en route to putting over a rising star like Booker and Benoit in summer of 2000. Of course, Benoit left anyway, but Booker or a Goldberg re-match were right there.
ReplyDeletePutting the belt on Bret was the right call because he was about the only guy with credibility who could work with both the old guys (Flair, Hogan, Nash, Sting) and the workrate guys (Benoit, Guerrero, Malenko, Booker)
ReplyDeleteEven after giving it away at Slamboree 1999 with a non-finish, Goldberg vs. Sting STILL could have made them money as a dream match.
ReplyDeleteShould have gone to Cena's dealer.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that sounds pretty realistic. I don't see how Brock working with a steroid user would hinder him in any way in UFC, especially since he fought Overheem while there.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the guy just left because he was bored out of his mind the way everyone at home was? "Fuck this, I'm going home to chop wood."
ReplyDeleteExactly. They don't bring back any of the part-timers for the expressed purpose of putting over a fresh star they want to push
ReplyDeleteMeltzer shot it down on Twitter.
ReplyDeleteBut they both worse trench coats! It's a dream match!
ReplyDeleteOn his back, looking at the lights, putting over a new star?
ReplyDeleteTaker vs. HHH IV can eat a whole Costco container of dicks
ReplyDeleteYep, even Cena couldn't pull off the whole "elevated despite jobbing" trick with Bray
ReplyDeleteAll the fucking lulz at Undertaker being the backbone of the WWF during the MNW. If anything, he was the one everyone wanted out of the way so Austin/Rock/HHH could work with new guys.
ReplyDeleteIf ALF eats a fucking Pedigree next week, I'm done...
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I know about Harley Race NOW, but when I was a 7 year old mark in 1990, I knew fuck all about his legacy. He was just an out of shape hairy guy who dressed like the cowardly lion
ReplyDeleteAgreed. They had nothing really in common. It wasn't a dream match in 1991, or 1998, or 2007, and it certainly isn't now. They both wore trench coats. That's it
ReplyDeleteWWE fans don't know Mean Mark Callous. As far as anyone is concerned, The Undertaker debuted in 1990 and that's all there is to him
ReplyDeleteIts illegal to cross state lines with weed because it becomes drug traficking on a fed level.
ReplyDeleteBasically, Cool if you buy in colorado but consume in colorado.
Other than a match with the returning HBK in 2002, I can't recall there ever being a "dream match" involving HHH. Yet he sure seems to end up in a lot of them thanks to revisionist history. Ric Flair, The Undertaker (End of what Era?), Lesnar, etc. are dream matches?
ReplyDeleteHe was excellent in 2000-01
ReplyDeleteHe could easily re-sign
ReplyDeleteNeeds more Roman Reigns!
ReplyDeleteAustin clearly meant it when he retired in 2003. He laid down for Rock and never wrestled an actual match again. At any point since 2003, he could have come back for a one-off dream match with Hogan, Cena, Michaels, Lesnar, Goldberg, Punk, or a Streak match with Taker. He has stayed retired and resisted those huge potential paydays.
ReplyDeleteProbably is, if he was gonna come back during that timeframe, the money match was really Cena vs. Austin...and Punk wouldn't have liked that.
ReplyDelete"Never fail at tears"? Must be Bret Hart's influence!
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, I think HHH should have been Rock's first opponent back in WWE. Not Cena, not Awesome Truth. Rock hosting WM27, getting ready to say goodbye again on Raw, and HHH calling him out for one more Mania. Rock beats him clean at WM28 in Miami for the feel-good, "he can still do it" moment, then the next night he goes to say goodbye....only for Cena to say "I've got to know" and building to Rock-Cena at WM29, truly "Once in a Lifetime"
ReplyDeleteExactly. DX vs. Nation was a fun mid-card feud that led to some funny skits. That's all. Rock-HHH at SummerSlam was the first time it translated into anything close to a "historic" match and it wasn't until Rock and HHH were bona fide top guys that the '98 version of DX meant anything more than nWo-lite skits and dick jokes. Austin-McMahon was the juggernaut and everything else hung on for the ride
ReplyDeleteTaker climbs for that "old school" rope walk I've always thought was retarded...and falls out of the ring and dies
ReplyDeleteHHH vs. Rock at WM28 (with Austin as Enforcer) could have been sold that way.
ReplyDeleteHHH vs. HBK was a legit "dream match" if only because we never thought Michaels would wrestle again.
Otherwise, no, not even a little bit. HHH vs. Anyone is only a dream match in the sense that they call it that
To say "Taker vs. Sting would have been huge 20 years ago" isn't really saying anything at all. ANY WWF vs. WCW match would have been huge back then. I don't see anything inherently "dream match" about Sting-Taker or Sting-HHH, especially with WCW dead longer than most of their audience has been alive
ReplyDeleteWell Owen was a great ribber, he'd want Bret to wrestle an invisible man in his tribute.
ReplyDeleteI'm so excited! I'm so......SCARED!
ReplyDeleteCurrent thinking is that Brock's freak out was over PPV money. Rumor is that in his contract he gets a % cut of PPV money for Wrestlemania. With WWE doing everything they can to get customers away from PPV and onto the Network, this is money straight out of Brocks pocket if he's not specified to get a Network cut as well.
ReplyDeleteI can imagine him having a quick meeting with VInce where he was told that it was tough shit and he wasn't changing the deal or paying anything not specified in the contract. It's dirty dealing, but so far it hasn't been ruled illegal in court. In fact, Hollywood uses this trick all the time to screw people out of negotiated percentage deals all the time.
I remember brainstorming a "WWF vs. WCW" Supercard with friends in like 1998. I recall it including:
ReplyDeleteAustin vs. Goldberg
Rock vs. Flair (for the promos, daddy!)
Taker vs. Sting
DX (HHH, Outlawz, XPac) vs. nWo (Hogan, Hall, Nash, Savage) "WarGames"
Owen vs. Bret
Shamrock vs. Benoit
Mankind vs. DDP
Taka vs. Rey (haha)
Not paying Brock a million or two that you promised him and pocketing the money probably sounds like a great deal for Vince. I can see him now rubbing his hands together and giggling like the roided-up carny leprechaun he is.
ReplyDeleteDeliberately pissing off the guy with your main belt, who also happens to be the legit toughest guy on your roster a month before your biggest show of the year is a whole new kind of stupid though, even for Vince.
Trim the fat. For example, Your audience knows who Eugene is. We don't need the "played by Nick Dinsmore shtick
ReplyDelete"Eugene was a retarded character. As in litteraly"
Same thing accomplished way fewer words.
oh my god, you're right!
ReplyDeleteAnd they both wore black!! And at some point used a pop culture reference on their face (Taker's Phantom of The Opera Mask)!!!
It's truly the Dream Match to end them all!!!!
A, but he can not be the guy and have fun with his craft in Japan.
ReplyDeleteWhat does WWE offer. If he wants the money I don't blame him. His legacy ***** wise is set.
But there are reasons to leave
He still needs to keep up with the big, muscular look, regardless of what he's wearing. We all know the obsession Vince has with muscular guys, so it would be no surprise Reigns would be doing everything he could to keep up with that expectation.
ReplyDeleteAnd that Rock-HHH match was also the first time anyone had taken HHH serious, but it was also a platform to help put Rock over while having him drop the IC title without eating a pinfall. So if HHH was the biggest guy in the group and he wasn't big enough to pin the future main eventer...how was he really beating up WCW? Put it another way: if Austin or Rock went to WCW at that time they're in the main event. If HHH went to WCW at that time, he's feuding with Raven.
ReplyDeleteAutocorrect!! Test
ReplyDeleteHe gets to be on Total Divas with his wife. What else would he want?
ReplyDeleteIt was a decent enough read and you've got a pretty decent conversational style so.
ReplyDeleteThere's a few typos but nothing horrific and I think Kyle has a point in that it could be subbed down. Personally, I was fine with a long read as I was on a 2 hour train journey - but Kyle is right in that this audience doesn't necessarily need a recap on who Eugene was.
That probably sounds like I'm damning with faint praise but I'd be keen to see more from you.
He's back down to one. They made an amendment to the policy that allows them to come off over time.
ReplyDeleteI hate to say it again but it's 're-sign'. 'Resign' would be that Vince wanted him to quit.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly a slight rearrangement of those letters gives me 'Reigns', which makes me just want to turn off the telly.
Exactly my point - they've gone so far as to amend the policy to keep Randy safe.
ReplyDeleteLooks like he's getting lumped into the IC title multi-man clusterfuck.
ReplyDeleteHow long until we get Buzzkill, the Fat Chick Thrilla, and General Rection?
ReplyDelete"Hey Angelo, pee in this cup"
ReplyDelete-- Sugar Ray Leonard
Roman's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
ReplyDeleteGreatest worst match of all time.
ReplyDeleteI was tempted but shied away from it. Loved MASK as a kid, was more a fan of Hondo Maclean or Buddy Hawks - maybe an 80s cartoon battle royal? He-man, Lion-0, Skeletor, Mumm-ra, Hordak, Megatron, Jayce, Saw-boss, Ulysses, The D&D cast?
ReplyDeleteHHH: "You, uh, aren't, uh, as good, uh...uhhh...uhhhh...uhhhhh...nevermind, you are."
ReplyDeleteBrock: "You no pay Brock? Brock no get money? Brock... angry. BROCK SMASH!"
ReplyDeleteSteiner vs Goldberg Fall Brawl 2000 is a great match.
ReplyDeleteShould have been the world title match at Starrcade '99.
ReplyDeleteRusso's involvement was stupid
ReplyDeleteI missed that, what the hell was that?
ReplyDeletePlease don't say things like that it makes you sound like a retarded mark.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you want to see him hurt?
ReplyDeleteYou know wrestling is worked, right?
ReplyDeletePaige is capable of doing more than doing a 30 second tag-match, but they booked it to go half a minute.
When all you're given is shit and commentary actively undermines you? Why would you be expected to sell out arenas in an industry that's built entirely on image?
You know, that absolutely should have be the theme song for the WCW Russo era.
ReplyDeleteHehe circlejerk
ReplyDeleteReading this on a phone. Are there spaces between paragraphs? There are none on here.
ReplyDeleteAgain, what look? The dude's body is covered.
ReplyDeleteBecause this match allows Sting to go over in his first WWE match. He would not be able to go over the Undertaker. Pretty simple, honestly.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I don't think you need all that "the background" stuff. Cut that down and I feel like this would be very readable.
ReplyDeleteInstead of all this: "Triple H had won the Title in September, cutting the legs off hot new babyface Orton in the process, and held it until December of 2004. Due to a disputed finish in a Triple Threat Match between Triple H, Edge and Benoit, the belt was held up with the new Champion to be crowned in the Elimination Chamber.Michaels was instilled as Trouble Shooting Referee™, thanks in large part to having issues with pretty much everyone in the match at some point or another. At this point though Michaels was firmly entrenched in a feud with Edge, who was trying to get over as an opportunistic heel. It would take winning the first ever Money In The Bank Match and stealing Matt Hardy’s bird to finally get Edge past the Upper Midcard to Main Event barrier. At this point he was a moderately over heel with something missing.
The big story going into the match was the rise of Batista. Obstensibly he was there merely to help Triple H win, but ever so small cracks were starting to appear in his relationship with Triple H. Hints were given that maybe he’d take the Title for himself.
Orton was pretty much dead in the water as a face by this point and would be a heel again about a month after this. Ditto for Jericho, although his heel turn would take a bit longer. Benoit was coming off probably the most successful year of his career, which had seen him win the Title at Wrestlemania XX and generally have great matches with everyone from Triple H to Sylvain Grenier."
How about: "Triple H was stripped of the title after losing a three way with Edge and Benoit, when he submitted to both men at the same time. But the real story was the steadily increasing face pops Batista was getting in the run up to this show."
Austin/Goldberg over Austin/Hogan?
ReplyDeleteBrock no lay down for small big greezy hair man at show! Brock break last of definition out of his arms! Brock hungry Brock eat belt... Mrmph delicious corporate synergy.
ReplyDeleteBrock went home because he discovered that you don't actually have to see the big show in person to appreciate how big he is
ReplyDeleteLook at Brock. Just take a look at the guy. Does he seem like he would be upset that someone else is on PED's?
ReplyDeleteIt's a shoot
ReplyDeletehttp://411mania.com/wrestling/stephanie-mcmahon-furious-about-aj-calling-her-out/
ReplyDeleteIt wasn't a work.
the divas dont put asses in seats. they are a sideshow attraction, bathroom break, filler, etc. Men's sports always superior to womens in interest. Feminists and liberals dont like the truth, but that doesnt stop it from being the truth
ReplyDeleteI dont think they mistreat them. The divas are never gonna be the names on the marquee selling out the building. Focus should be on building stronger male talent that can drive the company to bigger houses, ratings, and payoffs for everyone
ReplyDeleteMaybe some of us don't like saying the word "retard." Because not all retards are retards.
ReplyDeleteI'm all for it as long as it builds to the rumored dildo on a pole match at wrestlemania, where whoever gets the dildo first gets to use it on their opponent
ReplyDeleteI feel stupider just having read that.
ReplyDeleteThey gave it away free on Nitro in 1998!
ReplyDeleteAnd you know apologists will be all like, "the storyline is amazing and Steph will do the right thing in putting her over!" going into this, kind of like what they said about Brie. That storyline was abysmal and Brie didn't go over.
ReplyDeleteWorked hard? By learning a few high impact moves? Fuck outta here. Still clunky as shit and cringe worthy on the microphone.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad I waited here for two days for this amazing logic and sharp wit.
ReplyDeleteYeah, well, I'm not on here every day to reply to such an asinine and ridiculous statement, cupcake. The fact that you deem Nikki Bella "good" in the ring proves that logic waved bye bye to you long ago.
ReplyDeleteI'll be here all night!
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