July 4, 1987
From the Market Square Arena in Indianapolis, IN
Your hosts are Bruno Sammartino, Jesse "The Body" Ventura, and Vince McMahon
The featured matchup this week is Killer Khan vs. Outback Jack. Also in action this week will be Randy Savage, Kamala & Sika, Tito Santana, and Brutus Beefcake.
Sonny Rogers vs. Randy "Macho Man" Savage w/ Elizabeth
Rogers surprises Savage with a rollup but gets clotheslined shortly after that. Savage hits a double axe handle then yanks him up after two then dumps him outside and hits another one then rolls him back inside and sets him up for the flying elbow smash as he gets the win (1:41).
Thoughts: Savage got a lot of cheers here, especially after winning. Not even blowing off Mr. T. could get him heel heat.
WWF Update with Craig DeGeorge. This week's focus is on Ken Patera and the beatdown he suffered last week on Superstars at the hands of the Heenan Family. We are then shown footage from the locker room as Billy Jack Haynes and Brutus Beefcake tell Patera, whose back is covered in welts after getting whipped with a belt, that they are on his side. Patera is then shown in a promo telling the Heenan Family that they have created a monster while mispronouncing words such as "humiliated." After this segment, they show Patera in the WWF Magazine as he holds his high school diploma as Jesse makes fun of him.
Jim Powers & Mario Mancini vs. Kamala & Sika w/ Mr. Fuji & Kimchee
Powers tries to use his speed to get the best of Sika but misses a dropkick then gets chopped down. Kamala tags in and goes on the attack as we are shown an insert promo from Mr. Fuji, telling us that he will be managing "Bam Bam" as the announcers wonder who he is talking about. Back to the match as Sika hits Mancini with a Samoan Drop then tags Kamala, who gets the win with a splash (1:55).
Thoughts: Quick match to put over Kamala & Sika but the real story was about this "Bam Bam" that Fuji was talking about.
Gene Okerlund, wearing sunglasses, is with the Honky Tonk Man and Jimmy Hart. They hype their match next week against Jake Roberts as Honky guarantees victory. Actually, Jake never wrestled this match as he was replaced by Bruno Sammartino. Jake was still hurt at the time.
Another "Million Dollar Man" vignette is shown. DiBiase cannot believe that people put morals and value ahead of money and tells us that everyone has a price. We are then shown DiBiase and Virgil enter a public pool that is filled with children. DiBiase then bribes the guy running the pool to kick everyone out, even saying that he pays more taxes in a month then their parents pay in a year (Seems like a line Vince would write). Virgil yells at the kids to leave as DiBiase tells us not to get mad at the pool manager as he has a price, just like everyone else. Great stuff and it is easy to see how the WWF got over this gimmick. It was tremendous.
Terry Gibbs vs. Tito Santana
At this point, Santana was starting to grow his mullet out. Santana starts the match by working the arm of Gibbs. He hits a few armdrags and hip tosses then Gibbs comes back with some basic heel offense. Gibbs gets two with an elbow drop but Santana fights back. He dropkicks Gibbs then gets the win with a flying forearm (2:42).
Thoughts: Santana had nothing going on at this time but that was all about to change in the next couple of months.
Okerlund is with the Can-Am Connection. Martel warns the Islanders that they will not get away with what they did to them and in Boston, they will show how they are not pushovers. Zenk promises the Islanders they will not be smiling after their match. Another match that never took place as Zenk quit the day before the show and was replaced by the Junkyard Dog.
We are shown footage of Superstar Billy Graham's workout video. After it airs, Butch Reed is with Craig DeGeorge and says he is not impressed as they try to build up this feud.
Outback Jack vs. Killer Khan w/ Mr. Fuji
Khan beats the crap out of Jack to start. Jack ducks a clothesline and comes back with a forearm smash and some other strikes that all look terrible. He then knocks Khan with a sorry excuse of a clothesline. Khan ducks underneath the ropes as the ref holds Jack back then gets up and super kicks Jack before spitting mist into his face. Jack rolls around like he has been pepper-sprayed then hits a backbreaker before putting him away with a flying knee drop (2:10). After the match we get a slo-mo replay of the mist and Khan did it perfectly as it went directly into Jack's eyes. Jack is then shown being carried to the back with a towel over his face.
Thoughts: This match was really awful but I at least give Jack credit for selling the mist. It was the only thing about this match that didn't suck. Speaking of Jack, this was the beginning of the end for him as he was essentially a TV jobber after this match.
Snake Pit with guests the Killer Bees. Good reaction for the Bees here, who are wearing their masks. Jake asks them about beating the champs last week as they talk about waiting two years for a title shot. They promise to counter Danny Davis and Jimmy Hart with masked confusion. Jake then picks up the snake to show them as the Bees then leave. They have now built up the Killer Bees as the #1 contenders.
Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake vs. Chris Curtis
Curtis cheapshots Beefcake after a break but ends up getting knocked down. Beefcake hits a clothesline then catches him with a sleeper for the win (1:11). After the match, Beefcake puts on his coat and pulls out the clippers as he cuts some hair, setting Jesse off. He gave Curtis one shitty haircut by the way. He then sprays the top of Curtis' head with pink spray then surprises him with a mirror when he wakes up as Curtis flips out when he sees his new hairstyle
Thoughts: Beefcake continues to get over the barber gimmick as the fans are really digging the haircuts at the end of the match.
DeGeorge is with Danny Davis, who wants to talk about Jack Tunney giving Mr. T a referee's license. DeGeorge then says that next week, Tunney will show us why Davis was suspended as a referee.
Now, we are shown another clip of the Jumping Bomb Angels as they wrestled the Glamour Girls from the 6/24 "Wrestling Challenge" tapings in Louisville, KY. That match was shown on the 7/20 edition of "Primetime Wrestling." Vince promises us that we will see more of them in the coming weeks.
Frankie DeFalco & S.D. Jones vs. The Islanders w/ Bobby Heenan
Loud "weasel" chant by the crowd. Match starts with Haku beating on DeFalco. We are then shown an insert promo by Heenan, who promises that "Bam Bam" will be the newest member of the Heenan Family. S.D. is in and gets in some offense, including an atomic drop on Tama. DeFalco tags but Tama clotheslines him then he puts DeFalco away with a top rope splash after a powerslam from Haku (2:29).
Thoughts: More intrigue here as to who exactly was this "Bam Bam" the managers were talking about. The Islanders looked good in this match.
Okerlund, without the shades, is with Jake Roberts, who talks about his match against the Honky Tonk Man in Boston. Jake tells us that it will be stormy in Boston and that Honky will be unable to see what is going on and is now in a no-win situation. Good promo from Jake but those poor fans in Boston must have been pissed. The card for that show was terrible.
Next week in action will be Ken Patera, Hercules & King Kong Bundy and King Harley Race, Can-Am Connection, and Jake Roberts. Plus, an update on the medical condition of Outback Jack.
Final Thoughts: This show had some good stuff, like the Million Dollar Man vignette and the hype about "Bam Bam." They put over Khan strong with the mist, although you can debate if he was even worth pushing at this time. However, the company doesnt have any hot feuds and too many older guys (Graham, Patera) are getting pushed the hardest on TV. They continue to struggle finding their groove.
Here is my schedule for the next several days:
Saturday: RoH Beating the Odds 9/6/03
Sunday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 7/5/87
Tuesday: WWF Superstars of Wrestling 7/11/87
Thursday: Shoot Interview TBD
Friday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 7/12/87
From the Market Square Arena in Indianapolis, IN
Your hosts are Bruno Sammartino, Jesse "The Body" Ventura, and Vince McMahon
The featured matchup this week is Killer Khan vs. Outback Jack. Also in action this week will be Randy Savage, Kamala & Sika, Tito Santana, and Brutus Beefcake.
Sonny Rogers vs. Randy "Macho Man" Savage w/ Elizabeth
Rogers surprises Savage with a rollup but gets clotheslined shortly after that. Savage hits a double axe handle then yanks him up after two then dumps him outside and hits another one then rolls him back inside and sets him up for the flying elbow smash as he gets the win (1:41).
Thoughts: Savage got a lot of cheers here, especially after winning. Not even blowing off Mr. T. could get him heel heat.
WWF Update with Craig DeGeorge. This week's focus is on Ken Patera and the beatdown he suffered last week on Superstars at the hands of the Heenan Family. We are then shown footage from the locker room as Billy Jack Haynes and Brutus Beefcake tell Patera, whose back is covered in welts after getting whipped with a belt, that they are on his side. Patera is then shown in a promo telling the Heenan Family that they have created a monster while mispronouncing words such as "humiliated." After this segment, they show Patera in the WWF Magazine as he holds his high school diploma as Jesse makes fun of him.
Jim Powers & Mario Mancini vs. Kamala & Sika w/ Mr. Fuji & Kimchee
Powers tries to use his speed to get the best of Sika but misses a dropkick then gets chopped down. Kamala tags in and goes on the attack as we are shown an insert promo from Mr. Fuji, telling us that he will be managing "Bam Bam" as the announcers wonder who he is talking about. Back to the match as Sika hits Mancini with a Samoan Drop then tags Kamala, who gets the win with a splash (1:55).
Thoughts: Quick match to put over Kamala & Sika but the real story was about this "Bam Bam" that Fuji was talking about.
Gene Okerlund, wearing sunglasses, is with the Honky Tonk Man and Jimmy Hart. They hype their match next week against Jake Roberts as Honky guarantees victory. Actually, Jake never wrestled this match as he was replaced by Bruno Sammartino. Jake was still hurt at the time.
Another "Million Dollar Man" vignette is shown. DiBiase cannot believe that people put morals and value ahead of money and tells us that everyone has a price. We are then shown DiBiase and Virgil enter a public pool that is filled with children. DiBiase then bribes the guy running the pool to kick everyone out, even saying that he pays more taxes in a month then their parents pay in a year (Seems like a line Vince would write). Virgil yells at the kids to leave as DiBiase tells us not to get mad at the pool manager as he has a price, just like everyone else. Great stuff and it is easy to see how the WWF got over this gimmick. It was tremendous.
Terry Gibbs vs. Tito Santana
At this point, Santana was starting to grow his mullet out. Santana starts the match by working the arm of Gibbs. He hits a few armdrags and hip tosses then Gibbs comes back with some basic heel offense. Gibbs gets two with an elbow drop but Santana fights back. He dropkicks Gibbs then gets the win with a flying forearm (2:42).
Thoughts: Santana had nothing going on at this time but that was all about to change in the next couple of months.
Okerlund is with the Can-Am Connection. Martel warns the Islanders that they will not get away with what they did to them and in Boston, they will show how they are not pushovers. Zenk promises the Islanders they will not be smiling after their match. Another match that never took place as Zenk quit the day before the show and was replaced by the Junkyard Dog.
We are shown footage of Superstar Billy Graham's workout video. After it airs, Butch Reed is with Craig DeGeorge and says he is not impressed as they try to build up this feud.
Outback Jack vs. Killer Khan w/ Mr. Fuji
Khan beats the crap out of Jack to start. Jack ducks a clothesline and comes back with a forearm smash and some other strikes that all look terrible. He then knocks Khan with a sorry excuse of a clothesline. Khan ducks underneath the ropes as the ref holds Jack back then gets up and super kicks Jack before spitting mist into his face. Jack rolls around like he has been pepper-sprayed then hits a backbreaker before putting him away with a flying knee drop (2:10). After the match we get a slo-mo replay of the mist and Khan did it perfectly as it went directly into Jack's eyes. Jack is then shown being carried to the back with a towel over his face.
Thoughts: This match was really awful but I at least give Jack credit for selling the mist. It was the only thing about this match that didn't suck. Speaking of Jack, this was the beginning of the end for him as he was essentially a TV jobber after this match.
Snake Pit with guests the Killer Bees. Good reaction for the Bees here, who are wearing their masks. Jake asks them about beating the champs last week as they talk about waiting two years for a title shot. They promise to counter Danny Davis and Jimmy Hart with masked confusion. Jake then picks up the snake to show them as the Bees then leave. They have now built up the Killer Bees as the #1 contenders.
Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake vs. Chris Curtis
Curtis cheapshots Beefcake after a break but ends up getting knocked down. Beefcake hits a clothesline then catches him with a sleeper for the win (1:11). After the match, Beefcake puts on his coat and pulls out the clippers as he cuts some hair, setting Jesse off. He gave Curtis one shitty haircut by the way. He then sprays the top of Curtis' head with pink spray then surprises him with a mirror when he wakes up as Curtis flips out when he sees his new hairstyle
Thoughts: Beefcake continues to get over the barber gimmick as the fans are really digging the haircuts at the end of the match.
DeGeorge is with Danny Davis, who wants to talk about Jack Tunney giving Mr. T a referee's license. DeGeorge then says that next week, Tunney will show us why Davis was suspended as a referee.
Now, we are shown another clip of the Jumping Bomb Angels as they wrestled the Glamour Girls from the 6/24 "Wrestling Challenge" tapings in Louisville, KY. That match was shown on the 7/20 edition of "Primetime Wrestling." Vince promises us that we will see more of them in the coming weeks.
Frankie DeFalco & S.D. Jones vs. The Islanders w/ Bobby Heenan
Loud "weasel" chant by the crowd. Match starts with Haku beating on DeFalco. We are then shown an insert promo by Heenan, who promises that "Bam Bam" will be the newest member of the Heenan Family. S.D. is in and gets in some offense, including an atomic drop on Tama. DeFalco tags but Tama clotheslines him then he puts DeFalco away with a top rope splash after a powerslam from Haku (2:29).
Thoughts: More intrigue here as to who exactly was this "Bam Bam" the managers were talking about. The Islanders looked good in this match.
Okerlund, without the shades, is with Jake Roberts, who talks about his match against the Honky Tonk Man in Boston. Jake tells us that it will be stormy in Boston and that Honky will be unable to see what is going on and is now in a no-win situation. Good promo from Jake but those poor fans in Boston must have been pissed. The card for that show was terrible.
Next week in action will be Ken Patera, Hercules & King Kong Bundy and King Harley Race, Can-Am Connection, and Jake Roberts. Plus, an update on the medical condition of Outback Jack.
Final Thoughts: This show had some good stuff, like the Million Dollar Man vignette and the hype about "Bam Bam." They put over Khan strong with the mist, although you can debate if he was even worth pushing at this time. However, the company doesnt have any hot feuds and too many older guys (Graham, Patera) are getting pushed the hardest on TV. They continue to struggle finding their groove.
Here is my schedule for the next several days:
Saturday: RoH Beating the Odds 9/6/03
Sunday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 7/5/87
Tuesday: WWF Superstars of Wrestling 7/11/87
Thursday: Shoot Interview TBD
Friday: WWF Wrestling Challenge 7/12/87
A July 4th show and they didn't trumpet about America? Figured they'd play the "Real American" music video at least.
ReplyDeleteHe died doing what he loved.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Foley say he had a Falls Count Anywhere match in Abrams promotion with Jimmy Snuka that ended in a double countout?
ReplyDeleteAs awful as Abrams' UWF was, it at least had the decency to go out of business in a timely manner. No promotion in history has been as bad for as long as TNA.
ReplyDeleteHey, we're still talking about it!
ReplyDeleteBlackjack Brawl, the last UWF special. Had about 300 people (at best) in a 20,000 capacity arena.
ReplyDeleteBut can he score goals faster than Crawford gives them up?
ReplyDeleteLike I said, if no one's beaten Owens for 8 months, and the fans are dying to see someone kill him... enter Lesnar. Either Brock then murders him, or Owens scores the shocking win and you set it up as a huge deal when someone like Zayn or Balor finally beats him.
ReplyDeleteI never understood why the first Main Event special was held at Market Square Arena in Indianapolis. You're doing the rematch of Hogan vs. Andre, the biggest and most epic match ever, and that's where you hold it? I guess the next year's special was in Milwaukee, but that was at a brand-new building (which is now being torn down, #becauseMilwaukee).
ReplyDeleteIt would've helped if they developed people so they had someone to replace him. They kept AJ as the "Future" of TNA even when he should have been the present, now he's gone and they have Eric Young and a broken down Kurt as their main event with very few fresh match ups even in the undercard.
ReplyDeletePagers was solo when he gave this promo
ReplyDeleteYeah, cocaine.
ReplyDeleteProbably cheap to run. It was on NBC so it was the viewership amount that mattered
ReplyDeleteThe Patera promo is supposed to be on this episode, after the Kamala match. Was the Honky Tonk Man interview market-specific?
ReplyDeleteIn fairness to Dixie, the way Hogan left was forced on her due to Hogan having creative control.
ReplyDeleteThere is little crossover between the shows. Doing a job in NXT won't hurt him on Raw.
ReplyDeleteJudging on past history, Vince never seemed to have a problem with big guys. He just never seemed to care for small guys.
ReplyDeleteThat is the dumbest use of a wrestlemania main event ever. You're using it to set up a match with balor or Zayn?
ReplyDeleteIt's just amazing to me that a guy who looks like a wrestling school flunkout with a neckbeard and who wrestles in gym shorts and a sleeveless t-shirt not only got a full time WWE contract, but is feuding with John Cena. The man's charisma, both physical and verbal, is insane.
ReplyDeleteBalor brings the demon, pins him. No need to make it complicated. They already fought once, Balor put up a good fight, but came up short. Now he puts on his bat wings or dragon good or whatever and powers up to win the belt. Done.
ReplyDeleteHey, take it easy. King Mo is just about to set the pro wrestling world on FIIIIYYAAAAHHHHH!!!
ReplyDeleteI think it was Meltzer that said that Vince didn't specifically like his outfit. I don't know if he meant the long shorts with knee socks thing, or that he doesn't take his shirt off or what.
ReplyDeleteI assume that Owens goes over on Cena on Sunday and then Cena pays him back in some way by causing him to lose his title to Balor.
ReplyDeleteLondon & Kendrick vs The Pit Bulls, Great American Bash 2006. A real hidden gem.
ReplyDeleteThe ones I have are all from the Boston Market
ReplyDeleteIt's so funny, that Vince is always searching the new Hogan/Cena guy, but in the end, the guys that don't look like Lex Luger are the ones who get over like Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Mankind, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose, Kevin Owens...
ReplyDeleteIt's in the email
ReplyDeleteSaid speech by Dixie : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn13PwaRQ6s pretty funny
ReplyDeleteYour suggestion reminded me of the TNA "Fan's Revenge" Lumberjack between Joe and Jarrett in 2006--which was non-title because the company of course had to put the belt on Sting the next month instead of the ultra-hot, undefeated Samoa Joe. Looking back, that is even worse since Kurt Angle would come in the next month and they could have made Joe/Angle for the title.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah, your idea is actually nothing like that other than involving Joe in a lumberjack match. This would probably work out a lot better.
1. Who said it was the main event?
ReplyDelete2. Brock's a face now. He has to wrestle a heel unless they turn him heel again. Nothing wrong with using him to build a new monster heel that in turn makes a new face superstar. Turning Owens face by then is probably too soon.
So are we all in on Owens-Brock for Wrestlemania XXX-3 main event?
ReplyDeleteWay to read, no read.
I agree. This way we don't blow off Zayn/Owens or Balor/Owens on NXT. Zayn has something to prove on the main roster by beating Owens, and Balor can be the one guy Owens is really afraid of whenever he comes to the main roster.
ReplyDeleteI would hold off on saying he's more marketable. He's more interesting for sure. I still wouldn't say its a bad look for them.
ReplyDeleteYep and that was why they he had the long TV March with Orton
ReplyDeleteBut they got rid of Hogan even earlier than AJ right? They were cutting costs. Hogan wasn't moving the needle and they couldn't afford his asking price. AJ wasn't moving the needle and they couldn't afford his asking price. I don't look at it as a slap in the face. Its not like they shit on the guy on the way out he was in the World Title scene all the way till the end.
ReplyDeleteHe can help carry the workrate for a promotion and for NJPW or even ROH he's perfect. He's a workrate guy with a great look thats going to supply fantastic matches but thats about as far as his ceiling goes and for the money TNA was paying him it was in their best interest to move on. It paid off for AJ too he's more interesting now than ever before and probably making more money.
ReplyDeleteThe shorts do look indie so I can kinda see that. Reminds me of when the Dudley's showed up to WWE
ReplyDeleteRockers/Barbarian and Haku from WrestleMania 7
ReplyDeleteAngle vs. Mysterio SummerSlam 2002
MITB WrestleMania 23
Well, you got me there--I'd forgotten that was the original comment. I was speaking more generally to Lesnar/Owens as *a* WM match.
ReplyDeleteI actually don't see Lesnar in the Mania main event at all this coming year.
Vince should know you rarely find the next guy...he just emerges.
ReplyDelete" like letting guys like A.J. Styles walk with low-ball contract offers and throwing butt-loads of money at marginal celebrities and MMA fighter wrestling fans don't care about,"
ReplyDeleteWell, let's be fair. Plenty of wrestling promoters have been guilty of doing similar things.
Yeah, but giving Hogan that kind of control was a mistake.
ReplyDeleteSuddenly, I kinda want to party with Abrams.
ReplyDeleteIf he's going to WWE, then the finish is obvious: while Owens is destroying some shmuck in a title match, Cena appeara on the NXTron to distract Owens, upon which said shmuck rolls up the distracted Owens for the pin.
ReplyDeleteGoldberg?
ReplyDeleteBrock Lesnar? Advertised as The Next Big Thing from day one?
ReplyDeleteJesus, those two need to be kept as far apart as possible for at least a couple years.
ReplyDelete#dougiewinslol
ReplyDeleteVince juat realized that the Fat Guy Dancing Gimmick is open again.
ReplyDeleteOwens submits to a prematch handshake, because the NXT Title is an albatross that keeps him down. Kinda like Ringmaster.
ReplyDeleteAnd he almost flamed out until he struck gold with the NoD.
ReplyDeleteBully Ray's face tells the whole story
ReplyDeleteIt's worst because TNA never had the kind of money that WWE had, and intentionally trying to get rid of one of your biggest star is even more stupid
ReplyDeleteYeah, but the only reason Dixie knows where her ass is is because Hulk didn't lube up before going in.
ReplyDeleteFine picks. That WM7 tag is pretty great.
ReplyDeleteGuaranteed Mania 33 main event should unite all of Owens' titles. Anything less and we riot.
ReplyDeleteThis one and Harts-Busters at SS89.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with that statement
ReplyDeletelol
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely love Harts-Busters at Summerslam 89.
ReplyDeleteStraw-Man is here !
ReplyDeleteDixie's worse. Herb was legitimately insane so that kind of stupidity couldn't be helped. Dixie, on the other hand, had people telling her better, had a second chance with a new network, and had a nearly endless supply of money with no repercussions... AND SHE STILL FUCKED IT UP. Herb was only playing with his own money. The stakes were much lower for him. Dixie had every opportunity to succeed and seemed determined to ruin it every time.
ReplyDeleteAJ is one of the best wrestlers on the planet, but bin-fucking-go. He's like Bryan, when push comes to shove he's not a draw. Draws a great reaction, has an excellent match, but TNA/WWE haven't exactly suffered without the wrestlers from a business standpoint.
ReplyDeleteTNA couldn't draw with Hardy, Angle, Hulk or Flair... they were hardly going to draw with AJ.
TGGI
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the Outback Jack gimmick was just ahead of its time? If they had waited five years, he could have just come out to didgeridoo theme music and interrupted backstage promos going, "That's not a knife! THIS is a knife!"
ReplyDeleteAbrams seems like a cooler Vince. He wins.
ReplyDeleteAnd the flip side of the "Vince looks for the next Hogan" argument is that he gave the ball to every single one of those guys who doesn't fit the supposed bill.
ReplyDeleteIt's great for the era, and was certainly blowing away anything done to that point with a completely different style... but watching it now makes it look like something ROH students would put on.
ReplyDeleteThat's my vote for the perfect opener. It was everything it needed to be, wildly entertaining, with a hot finish that got both guys over... and didn't overshadow everything that night.
ReplyDeleteI thought crocodile Dundee inspired Outback Jack?
ReplyDeleteI thought they just sold chicken?
ReplyDeleteThat's correct.
ReplyDeleteMan, I just never got all the Blitzkrieg love.
ReplyDeleteHow long has Zanye been in nxt? It's gotta be 2 years now right? I know hes injured, but even if he wasnt he'd still be there. What exactly are they waiting for?
ReplyDeleteRagin' Riley Rage should pin Owens clean. Because RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEEEE!!!!!
ReplyDeleteMaybe if they got someone else to play it, it would have gotten over but this guy sucked.
ReplyDeleteThe following is from Wikipedia about Herb,
ReplyDeleteBefore his death, while high on cocaine, Abrams was found naked and covered in a "vaseline" type substance,[1] destroying furniture with a baseball bat[1] in his New York office.[2] He was in the company of prostitutes at the time.[2] Not long afterwards, he died while in police custody,[1] of a heart attack.[2] He had cocaine stuck all over his body when he died.[2]
It's now on my bucket list!
ReplyDeleteThe Ziggler-Harper match at TLC.
ReplyDeleteIf that man was not set out to sea on a funeral pyre and set ablaze with arrows then this is an unjust world.
ReplyDeleteBalor beats him clean. Then Balor drops the title three months later cause he should've been on Raw last year.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, Kevin Owens doesn't need to be hyper protected. His heat isn't his invincibility, his heat is him being a giant, hypocrite asshole who beats people up enough to justify his shit-talking.
I'm trying to picture Balor just winning outright because in theory I like that booking but I hope he would pull out some kind of super-finisher because Owens jobbing to the double stomp just doesn't look right in my head. And no, not because of his gut.
ReplyDeleteElvis' final concert = Hogan jobbing to Andre
ReplyDeleteHaha indeed it is
ReplyDeleteGood call on Angle vs Mysterio
ReplyDeleteAbrams is the anti-world Bill Brasky: the stories about him are wild and unbelievable, but they don't make him sound cool.
ReplyDeleteYou don't get hogan without that control.
ReplyDeleteHow about a little Bret/Razor at KOTR '93?
ReplyDeleteI'm still not entirely sure what the big deal was about aj styles in tna besides that he was there since day one. That's not really a great gimmick, it's just "i have been in this promotion since day one." OK...so big deal. Like say what you will about kane, but at least his gimmick isn't that he's been there for like 21 years. And aj is a major conservative ass in real life, so it's kind of hard to see him as this underdog man of the people. The only Time he was even mildly interesting in tna was at the end when he was ripping off cm punk.
ReplyDeleteNow in new Japan, he's an elite foreign asshole. That's a character. Not oh I am a great wrestler who wins the longevity award.
Lumberjack match - someone yelled at Mick
ReplyDeleteYou can't get counted out in a lumberjack match?!
"Sure we can -
It's herbs show!"
Honorable mention: Randy Hale
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes to 1994, Scott....#letItGo
ReplyDeleteScott is one BITTER Canadian. The ONLY way he could be more bitter was if the Bruins were playing the Rangers
ReplyDeleteIn 5 years he'd be skinner.
ReplyDeleteHow do they book Balor's first loss when he's in DEMON FORM?
ReplyDeleteAnd hookers...never forget the hookers.
ReplyDeletePavel Bure for life.
ReplyDeleteDemon child, ghost lantern, exploding TV, THEN distraction roll-up.
ReplyDeleteI've always believed the gimmick idea in a vacuum was just fine. Aussie culture was hot at the time and it's just a new twist on the standard hillbilly gimmick that's almost as old as wrasslin' itself.
ReplyDeleteChris Curtis was a forgotten great jobber. Totally had the "some kid's dad" look down, and was regularly doing jobs for both the WWF and AWA.
ReplyDeleteThe Jack/Khan match was the first time I began to figure out what "demotion" meant.
No he had his medication. He's laughing, see?
ReplyDeleteDidn't spike tv come out and say we don't know who the fuck you wrestling nerds are talking about unless you mean Renee Russo. She was hot once, right?
ReplyDeleteYes because breaching his contract is the right thing to do. He wasn't on a lump sum deal, pretty sure he had a number of appearances guaranteed type of thing. Plus creative control puts him wherever he wants to be so yeah
ReplyDeleteShe was. Hell, for 61 she still is,
ReplyDeleteIt's a hell of a drug.
ReplyDeleteThat's definitely something that happened though, right? I swear an exec said something to that point.
ReplyDeleteNot here they didnt, just Bam Bam. They might have later on.
ReplyDeleteThe wrestler they chose was just awful. That was half of the problem.
ReplyDeleteAnd in less than two years after his debut he was a shitty fourth-string defensive lineman for the Minnesota Vikings with the admission he couldn't handle the schedule of a pro wrestler.
ReplyDeleteHaven't they already set the precedent here with Paige? She was stripped of the NXT Woman's title when she won the Diva's title and got called up.
ReplyDeleteAnd ten years after that he's ending The Streak.
ReplyDeleteDoes creative control say he can demand to be on the show, or just that he can veto any contract?
ReplyDeleteAnd really, you think it would be a breach of contract to sit him out one night before his contract expired? I mean maybe, but what evidence supports that?
I don't remember it. Then again, Spike has done some dumb shit over the years. (Manswers? REALLY?)
ReplyDeleteHerb didn't have a billion dollar energy company backing him so realistically, Dixie is much worse.
ReplyDeleteIt's true, but only after he tried to push his big boys like Lex Luger, Diesel, Mabel, Faarooq, Batista, Roman Reigns...
ReplyDeleteI think it's a tad much to mock people for knowing the name of someone obscure to the masses, and then saying everyone knows Rene Russo. She had what, tenth billing in Thor 2? And that was her most notable film in decades.
ReplyDeleteI think Vince would have killed to find Goldberg first, but he got over in WCW and doesn't count. ;-)
ReplyDeleteThere are always exceptions that proves the rule. For example they wanted Randy Orton to be the next guy but then Batista got over. Last year they wanted Batista to be the man, but the fans loved Daniel Bryan more.
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ReplyDeleteTake away Zayn and Balor and NXT has no top babyfaces (unless I'm forgetting someone). It looks like Balor will make the move to WWE first so they'll need another big face before Zayn can join him I think
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ReplyDeleteWell, that's another issue altogether.
ReplyDeleteIt's almost like wrestling fans tend to gravitate towards the guys they can relate to...
ReplyDeleteFairly sure he bought a Tazzmission in the lead up to their Summerslam match, although I may be confusing this with him getting it at ONS. Also, don't recall him jobbing in 3 seconds - but he did job at SS, and there's no way he should've. He also won due to Raven's interference at Unforgiven, which was shocking.
ReplyDeleteYeah I know, I just can't think of a way to do it that won't hurt the mystique.
ReplyDeleteI cant remember who Raven's partner was, but on an episode of RAW, Lawler & Y2J were teamed against Taz and somebody, and Naked Mideon came out, and Taz was distracted....the bell rang, and Lawler rolled him up for the 1-2-3. I remember that vividly because it pretty much killed any credibility Taz had left (to me anyway)
ReplyDeleteExactly. And why should we cheer for the guy they want us to cheer for instead of the guy we like better?
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE I'M VINCENT KENNEDY MCMAHON DAMN IT
ReplyDeleteBryan vs. Wyatt from the 2014 Rumble was all sorts of great, and one of the few times it felt like they just let both guys go.
ReplyDeleteThat's NXT's problem. Dont take that on Zayn.
ReplyDeleteI think that's more because she won a title than because she got called up.
ReplyDeleteNot taking it on anyone, just saying them be the facts. I understand why they'd keep him and/or Balor at NXT because they've got their own shows to put on after all
ReplyDeleteOutback & The Bushwhackers....best 6 man tag team ever? Kamala, Sika & Killer Kahn with Fuji?
ReplyDeleteI know that - but at that point in his career getting Hogan wasn't worth it if that was the price.
ReplyDeleteAre you klidding me? Their meatloaf is to die for!
ReplyDeleteOn the news today it turns it it was supposed to be Zayn that got called up but then he got hurt so they changed it to owens, then rusev got hurt. Either way it seens nxt will be less interesting on the mens side in 3 months unfortunately. Nxt turned into smackdown in the brand extension days.
ReplyDeleteHmmmm....On the 1 hand you want to give the rub to a NXT guy with a clean win. On the other hand, Owens jobbing clean could take some of the luster off what's been a surprisingly good main roster debut so far. I know the latter is debatable, but I feel it does lessen his believability as a threat somewhat (at least initially). Maybe have him drop it in a triple threat without actually getting pinned is the answer.
ReplyDeleteThe tin cups. Did you not understand the original podt? No mockery SPIKE TV pretty much said that in response to Meltzer bs
ReplyDeleteIf he has a certain amount of dates guaranteed and you don't give him those dates? Yeah you're breaching the contract.
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